Lesson from Yousuf's story Ch 12

nimnimak_11

This that only harms happens to us if we are guilty is perverse. The child who becomes an orphan is guilty? No, you do not need to be guilty to suffer in whatever way. We do see it in fact that it is not so. Some eveils are earned, some are not. God gives that destiny. Destiny is not punishment but opportunity. Is is our trial to prove ourselves.

Bad choice of examplo on the other hand, a woman that is raped because she deserves it. ¿Where does God purport such a thing? Really perverse.

Salaam

Salam Huruf

If someone suffers (let's say because of cancer, or because they lost their parent, or because they were raped) and they did not deserve to suffer, then Existence is imperfect. Then evil/injustice has occurred in Existence. God is Omnipresent. God Is Existence. To say an innocent person can suffer, is to say God/Existence can be imperfect/evil/unjust. You do not know the soul the orphan or the rape victim. But you do know God/Existence Is Perfect. The latter is a matter of pure reason, the former is an empirical matter. You cannot doubt the dictates of pure reason, but empirical matters are open to interpretation.

I used the example of rape because I think it is a powerful example wherein which we can all agree that the rapist is evil. All acts can be justified. As far as the appearance of things go, rape is one of the hardest (if not the hardest) to justify. Given the passion I see in your reply to my post (wherein which you seem to think what I am proposing is perverse), I strongly recommend that you read my reply to Jkhan. You cannot peacefully surrender if you think Existence to be imperfect. How can you possibly peacefully surrender to God, when you think innocent people can suffer?

huruf

No, I never said existence is imperfect, even is rape is undeserved, orphanhood is undeserved, many sufferings are undeserved.
Of ocurse our life is imperfect in the sense tht we deem perfection something we pursue, if everything was erfect we wouldnot pursue anything we would not strive to be BETTER. Only God is perfect.

The fact you miss is that neither life nor existence ends when rape happens or orphanhood happens. Life and existence continue and God continues and God is Justice, Justice is one of His names. THEREFORE, if something unjust happens to anybody, GOD will make something much better for her or him than that which was unjust. Therefore God is just and perfect because he can always make anything worth and because een suffering has meaning. What have done all mothers of the world? All of them are gulty that they should give birth with suffering? No they are not guilty they are the expression of God's rahma, therefore they will and indeed they are many times rewarded in this life, but most certainly in the garden.

Existence from a certain point of view is perfect and Justice prevails, but nowhere it is set that you get the good first and the bad later, it may be the othe way, and life is indeed a learning and experiencing, that is how we evolve nd mke our way back to God.

Salaam

jkhan

Peace Brother Nimnimk..

Thank you for your response.. Hope readers would get a rough idea what you try to elaborate..

But in short, God is never Evil and He does not have that attribute.. Further God is not the one get surprised.. That's not his attribute.. All knower doesnt need to be surprised and no need to apply Evil.. While he knows all things..
Still you didn't get what is Will of God... A word has went forth so He never changes His promise.. Free will of human being and Jin are in fact freedom.. They don't wait God's will to happen but they themselves do.. But knower of all. Things knows that would happen.. Between His will and our freedom there is no connection or interference... Even if God saves a person from a killer.. Coz God does what He wants and the killer does what he wants.. Killer failed God won.. Still he got his freewill but he was not successful in doing it..
God never intent Evil never surprises.. Though God questions like if He doesn't know the answer.. The way He questioned iblees what made you not submit? Or Jesus.. Did you order people to rake you as god? God never surprises.. God questiona allowing our freewill..

jkhan

Peace... Nimnimk
I am writing to you with interest.. Let me ask this question then.. Prophets were killed by people... In this scenario..
Do you mean to say that prophets, God chosen one to receive His messages and pass to to people for guidance, do in fact deserve to be brutally murdered at the hands of disbelievers and interestingly that was God's plan and that is what God WANTED for those prophets?
If so, why God Himself ask the same people who killed His prophets/messengers, Why did you kill prophets while that is what God wanted?
'Why' should not be a Question from God while Himself wanted His prophets to be brutally murdered by those murderers.. coz they deserved... That's what you say..
That doesn't make any sense...
God knew those prophets will be killed.. Fine.. He knows everything... Between Knowing something merely in advance and Planning something Evil has a huge difference... Don't put the blame on God simply coz He knows everything...
God knows future.. But God is not responsible for what happens coz of freewill of men and jinn. I reiterate.. God is not responsible for Adam betraying.. It was not God's plan.. Not what God wanted.. But He knew..
God knows what is in our hearts and what evil we do plan, but it doesn't mean God plan the evil that we our dirty hearts plan.. That's totally contrary..
You got it wrong...
Coz God says when they plan, We (God) also plan and We are the best of Planners..
God is instant.. And not keep planning in advance... Coz God reacts to our free will actions..
If God plans every evil act what Human does as you claim, then throwing such people in hell fire to abide in forever is such a shame..
We have been sent here to be fully tested but not accomplish God's evil plan..
God says Musa go with the message PERHAPS they(Firouwn, Haman Qariun etc) would get guidance...
God never do evil... God only retribute to those who deserved...
God says He didn't wrong you but you wroged yourself...
The one got raped is her destiny coz of another evil persons freewill.. God didn't wrong her neither the rapist...

Freewill has no harm.. Without freewill there no meaningful life.. Without freewill no test... Without freewill no one deserves Janna.. Without freewill no one deserves to be put in Hell..
God didn't create evil.. But people turned the good things into evil by opting to do what is prohibited to do...
God is innocent of what men and jinn do

nimnimak_11

No, I never said existence is imperfect

Salam Huruf. What you have said and continue to say, logically implies that existence is imperfect

You say "many sufferings are undeserved". If they are undeserved, then that means injustice has occurred in Existence. Does it not? If x suffers but x did not deserve to suffer, then x got what he didn't deserve, did he not? Any instance wherein which someone gets what they don't deserve (whether it's good or bad for them) is an instance of injustice. Any existence wherein which injustice occurs, is imperfect. It would take an imperfect god, for existence to be imperfect.

The fact you miss is that neither life nor existence ends when rape happens or orphanhood happens.

If the one who was raped, and the one who became an orphan did not deserve to have it happen to them, then existence is no longer perfect is it? god is no longer perfect is he? How can god be perfect when he has willed undeserved suffering? A relevant verse here

You cannot will anything except if God also Wills, the Lord of the worlds (8129)

The Quran also highlights that we cannot harm or benefit anyone (even ourselves). Sure, we can wrong ourselves by rejecting God's Perfection or pure reason (which is unfair and evil of us to do) but God Rightfully/Righteously harms us, because that's what we deserve. God's Omnipotence is absolute. God's Perfection is absolute. God and Existence are one and the same. Existence Is absolutely Perfect. We are not Existence. We are not Perfect/God.

Do you still think the one who was raped, or the one who became an orphan, did not deserve what happened to them? Do you still think our Lord/Existence is such that It brings about undeserved suffering? Can you yes without contradicting both pure reason and the Quran?

Our Lord does not wrong Itself, nor anyone else. If we suffer at all, it is because we wronged ourselves in some way, shape, or form. This includes the orphan and the rape victim.

We shaded you with clouds, and sent down to you manna and quails, "Eat from the goodness of the provisions We have provided you." They did not wrong Us, but they wronged themselves. (257)

We are provided with good things so that we may be appreciative. So that we may exist in Existence and be in absolute awe of Existence/God. This is a true privilege. A Mercy from God. This is clearly good for us. We had paradise. Yet, we wrong ourselves when we choose to be unappreciative. It starts with allowing the devil to whisper lies about God (it starts by letting something hint or whisper to you that Existence is not Perfect), once this enters the heart and is truly believed, it then escalates to despairing or growing exultant. Both of which are damning, and rightfully so.

What would God want with your punishment if you only appreciated and acknowledged? God is Appreciative, Knowledgeable. (4147)

Why would God Will someone to be raped or become an orphan? That which we can say with certainty is because it's perfection for this to happen. It's perfectly deserved. Perfection Is Omnipresent. As for how it's perfection, that's a different matter. If you knew all there was to know about the orphan or the rape victim, I guarantee that you would conclude that it was perfection for them to have been raped or for them to have become an orphan.

Would you guide whom God misguides? Would you do things differently to God? Would you describe Existence as being such that It brings about or has brought about undeserved suffering?

What have done all mothers of the world? All of them are gulty that they should give birth with suffering?

Yes. That's exactly what I think. Can you disagree with this given what I have written above? Women appear to be able to choose not to get pregnant (with Mary appearing to be the only exception as far as we know). Also, if you check what the Bible says, God says the woman will suffer via child birth as a result of eating from the tree. Do not forget, we were in paradise...we sinned. Thus, we suffer in this worldly life. This is Perfection. Or would you prefer that God gives us paradise, we turn unappreciative and become of the zalemin (we become unfair/evil towards That which is wholly innocent of evil and wholly Generous), and then God wrongs Itself and continues to give us paradise? I do not want to serve or be in an imperfect existence.

Anoushirvan

Does God plan our good part of lives or it happens according to our freewill and choice or circumstances?

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Does it teach us that whatever happens in our life we need to be patient until God make a way out?

Coz.. Who is responsible for Yakub, Yousuf's father's tears and worries for years after years? Is it God or Yousuf brothers? Somehow, Yousuf's father spent bulk of his life thinking of his loving son so did Yousuf...
Or else that's part of Dream's fulfilment.. Or We need to tolerate certain things in life until God gives us happiness..?

Could that dream ever be fulfilled without Yousuf's separation?

Peace,

In my opinion, we should be careful to not read the story of Joseph in Qur'an in its literal meaning as if it were the descriptive narrative of his original life (tawil as in verse 3.7) and also to not speculate too far in directions other that the intended one.

When I was a student, I had a Syrian teacher who taught us Arabic. He told us "In French , you must read first in order to understand. In Arabic, this is the converse, you must understand first in order to read".
But so like Arabic is Qur'an you must understand what Qur'an says first in order to read it.

Once again, as I always repeat in different ways, we are not the primary recipients of Qur'an message, and we must know who were the original recipients of Qur'an when trying to understand it.

Here is Surah 12, Qur'an doesn't tell the story of Baba Farfur, or the Pandava brothers or Arjuna, or I don't know whatever Indian or Persian tale.

If the purpose of Qur'an in Surah 12 had solely been to speak about the hand of God on destiny, then any story would have served the trick. In particular, the stories of the Mahabharata speak very well about freewill, destiny and torments of fate, much better that Qur'an in my opinion.
And those Indian stories could certainly be known to Arabs because of their commercial roads long time established with India.

No. It speaks about two figures that are at the core of the Jewish identity, I mean Jacob, who, I should remind, is nicknamed Israel in Genesis, even though Qur'an does not say it, and Joseph.

And Qur'an doesn't begin the story with something like e.g. "On those times in Palestine there was a God fearing man whose name was Jacob, who had twelve sons, and whose preferred one was the youngest called Joseph, and the others were jealous of him" as the Gospels did about Jesus' birth.

No, no. It begins straight with "When Joseph said to his father, “O my father, I saw eleven planets, and the sun, and the moon; I saw them bowing down to me.”, as if people were already supposed to know who is this Joseph.

And except Surah 12, Qur'an hardly speaks of Joseph, so it assumes that its audience already know the story from a previous source, i.e. the Bible, and likely other Jewish writings.

So clearly the primary audience of this story was either Jews or Jews-like and they knew what Qur'an alluded to in this narrative, and the purpose of Qur'an is deeply rooted into the ancient Jewish thought.

In Jewish tradition, Joseph is not the mere the son of Jacob / Israel, he is above all one of the two or three archetypes of the Messiah, with the Messiah of David (in Jewish and Christian traditions) and the Messiah of Aaron (in the Dead Sea Scrolls).

Jews and early Christians believed that either there would be two Messiahs, one descending from Joseph, the other one from David, or that the Messiah would descend from Joseph and David, and this is why in the Gospels, Jesus has two ancestries, one from David and one from Joseph.

The Messiah in the Jewish tradition represents the fulfillment of the promise of salvation, he is the one who will make both Israel and the pagan nations enter into the world to come and the renewed covenant with God.
The Messiah is metaphorically represented by the son.
In Genesis, a lot of stories revolve around the ardent desire and long waiting for a son, e.g. Abraham, Lea, Rachel, etc.. What they mean is that the people of Israel is desperately waiting for the Messiah.

The Messiah must also come at height of the ordeal or trial, which in my opinion, Qur'an renders by the Arabic word "fitna".
In a sense, the Messiah of Joseph represents the suffering Messiah since Joseph was thrown into a well and sold in slavery to Egypt, while the Messiah of David represents the royal Messiah.

The story of Joseph, whether in the Bible or Qur'an is made of several substories, most of them having a common pattern that the hero comes through the height of the trial thrown in the well, the temptation of the wife of Putiphar, thrown in jail, etc. before salvation can take place.

As an illustration, let's take this verse

وَجَاءَتْ سَيَّارَةٌ فَأَرْسَلُوا وَارِدَهُمْ فَأَدْلَىٰ دَلْوَهُ ۖ قَالَ يَا بُشْرَىٰ هَٰذَا غُلَامٌ ۚ وَأَسَرُّوهُ بِضَاعَةً ۚ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ بِمَا يَعْمَلُونَ12.19
12.19 Wa Jā'at Sayyāratun Fa'arsalū Wa Aridahum Fa'adlá Dalwahu Qāla Yā Bushrá Hādhā Ghulāmun Wa 'Asarrūhu Biđāatan Wa Allāhu Alīmun Bimā Ya`malūna
12.19 A caravan passed by, and they sent their water-carrier. He lowered his bucket, and said, “Good news. Here is a boy.” And they hid him as merchandise. But God was aware of what they did.

I underlined the two keywords of this verse the word Bushra / good news and the word Ghulam / boy.
The Arabic word "bushra" alludes to the Jewish concept of Hebrew bessora, with same meaning. And by the way, this is also the meaning of the word Gospel whether under the Old English form or under the Greek form εὐαγγέλιον / euangélion.
The bessora / good news is the annunciation that salvation is going to take place very soon.

The word Ghulam (غُلَٰم) is a bit more complex. It means boy or son, which for sure alludes to Messianic characteristic. But the son also means the promise of entering the world to come, and by that expression I translate the Hebrew "Olam Haba". The word "world" in Arabic is عالم / 'Alam. So, to one dot above the 'ayn, the world Ghulam and the word 'Alam look the same.

So the purpose of the word "Ghulam" is to make hear the word "'Alam", hence the world to come and salvation, i.e. dunya al-akhira.

So this verse is an allusion to the Jewish principle / hope of the salvation at the height of the trial.

Joseph represents at the same time the Messiah but also the people of Israel in need of redemption.

Verse 12.42 conveys a similar idea.

12.42 And he said to the one he thought would be released, “Mention me to your master.” But Satan caused him to forget mentioning him to his master, so he remained in prison for several years.

The story of Joseph with his two inmates, the good one and the bad one has also framed the Gospel narrative of the crucifixion of Jesus crucified between the good thief and the bad thief.

By the way, it illustrates another key feature of the ancient Jewish narratives made for expounding the divine will, i.e. overdetermination. That is, similar points of the divine will are expounded in different pericopes of a seemingly linear main narrative (inside the story of Joseph) or even some allude to another narrative (the story of Jesus vs. the story of Joseph). This is the meaning of the word "mutashabih" in Qur'an.

It is interesting to notice how Qur'an in Surah 12 alludes to other parts of Qur'an by some words and expressions.
Let's give some examples.

In verse 12.8, the word ʿuṣ'bat (عُصْبَة), group is used for designating a group with bad intentions as in verses 24.11 and 28.76.
Still in verse 12.8, the expression dhalil mubinin (ضَلَالٍ مُبِينٍ), evident error that the brothers of Joseph are using to describe their father Jacob, is used later in the same surah about the wife of al-Aziz

12.30 Some ladies in the city said, “The governor's wife is trying to seduce her servant. She is deeply in love with him. We see she is in evident error.”

This expression is used also elsewhere like, e.g. in verse 21.54 about Abraham
21.54 He said, “You and your parents are in evident error.”

This suggests that the story of the wife of the governor means something else than just a woman in love with Joseph and trying to seduce him.

وَقَالَ نِسْوَةٌ فِي الْمَدِينَةِ امْرَأَتُ الْعَزِيزِ تُرَاوِدُ فَتَاهَا عَنْ نَفْسِهِ ۖ قَدْ شَغَفَهَا حُبًّا ۖ إِنَّا لَنَرَاهَا فِي ضَلَالٍ مُبِينٍ12.30
12.30 Wa Qāla Niswatun Fī Al-Madīnati Amra'atu Al-Azīzi Turāwidu Fatāhā An Nafsihi Qad Shaghafahā Ĥubbāan 'Innā Lanarāhā Fī Đalālin Mubīnin
12.30 Some ladies in the city said, “The governor's wife is trying to seduce her servant. She is deeply in love with him. We see she is in evident error.”

The temptation of sexual relationship is actually the metaphor of the idolatry (or association as it is said in Qur'an).
As I explained above, the Messianic idea is that the pagan nations have vocation at the end of times to enter into the covenant with God together with the Jews.
In the Jewish thought, those pagans, represented by the wife of the governor in the story of Joseph, have ardent desire to enter into this covenant, but the other hand, until that time, they want to continue practicing an idolatrous religion. This idolatry represents a temptation for the people of Israel and unless the people of Israel gets rid of this temptation they will remain in the sijjin, i.e. the prison of exile or the trial, see also verses 83.7 and 83.8.

In verse 12.14, the brothers of Joseph say “If the wolf ate him, and we are many, we would be khāsirūn (losers).”.
The same word khāsirūn is used e.g. in verse 2.27

12.27 Those who violate God’s covenant after its confirmation, and sever what God has commanded to be joined, and commit evil on earth. These are the khāsirūn.

This suggests that the brothers of Joseph metaphorically represent those who are targeted in verse 2.27.

And so on, I hope you start to see the pattern.
A crucial tool for this kind of exploration is of course https//corpus.quran.com.

That said, the story of Joseph is Surah 12 has still a little bit to say about destiny in the sense that whatever you know about the future or the unseen world cannot help you for the sake of salvation.
It could have been otherwise in numerous tales the hero saves himself / herself by being told in advance some warning signs by some soothsayer and making use of them.

No, here Joseph and Jacob know the divine signs but they accomplish their fate anyway.
Likewise Joseph's brothers are unaware of the divine signs but they accomplish their fate anyway.

I believe that the expression Ghayābati Al-Jubbi in verses 12.10 and 12.15, the bottom of the well, by using the word Ghayabat that is close to the word al-Ghayb targets the Gnostics belief that salvation is only possible by knowing the al-Ghayb, i.e. the unseen world.
That is the Jews or Jews-like who were the audience of the Qur'an preacher also believed in Gnosis, i.e. salvation by intimate knowledge of the unseen world.
When Qur'an quotes God saying to Joseph into the darkness of the well "Latunabbi'annahum Bi'amrihim Hādhā Wa Hum Lā Yash`urūna" (لَتُنَبِّئَنَّهُمْ بِأَمْرِهِمْ هَٰذَا وَهُمْ لَا يَشْعُرُونَ) / “You will inform them of this deed of theirs when they are unaware.”, it suggests that Gnostics (the brothers of Joseph and associators according to Qur'an) are actually not able to get knowledge of the unseen, hence are not able to gain salvation themselves, without the help of a messenger acting as an archetype of Messiah.

It is instructive that Qur'an puts in their mouths towards the end of the story in verse 12.81
12.81 “Go back to your father, and say, ‘Our father, your son has stolen. We testify only to what we know, and we were not the guardians of the unseen (al-Ghayb).’”

For the sake of salvation, they have to drop their belief into salvation by knowing the unseen.
And in my opinion, this is the true morale of this story of Joseph in Surah 12.

nimnimak_11

Though God questions like if He doesn't know the answer.. The way He questioned iblees what made you not submit? Or Jesus.. Did you order people to rake you as god? God never surprises.. God questiona allowing our freewill..

Of course God knew the answer. Recall that in 230 God tells the angles, that It Knows what they do not know. God Knows what we reveal and what we hide. What difference does it make that God Interacts with Ibless or Jesus in this way? It was Perfection for this interaction to occur. I do not want to see God Put someone in Hell or take someone out of paradise without the following process happening

7172 When your Lord took from the children of Adam from their backs, their progeny; and He made them witness over themselves "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we bear witness." Thus you cannot say on the day of Resurrection that you were unaware of this.
3660 "Did I not pledge to you, O Children of Adam, that you should not serve the devil for he is your most ardent enemy?"

Before God told Adam to descend from paradise, God asked Adam, did I not tell you that Satan is your enemy and to not eat from the tree? God knew the answer to this question, but it's the Grace of God or the Perfection of God, to treat Adam in this way. To question it in this way...instead of just taking Adam out of paradise.

Do you mean to say that prophets, God chosen one to receive His messages and pass to to people for guidance, do in fact deserve to be brutally murdered at the hands of disbelievers and interestingly that was God's plan and that is what God WANTED for those prophets?

Yes. If they were brutally murdered, that's what God Willed/Wanted. If they were murdered in their sleep, that's what God Willed. If they were crucified, that's what God Willed. How can it be other than this when none can will anything except if God also Wills it? Can you answer this question?

478 Wherever you may be, death will find you, even if you are in fortified towers. If any good befalls them, they say, "This is from God," and if any bad befalls them, they say, "This is from you!" Say, "All is from God;" what is wrong with these people, they barely understand anything said!

3165 It was when you suffered setback. Even though you afflicted them with twice as much setback, you said, "Where is this coming from?" Say, "It is from yourselves." God is capable of all things.

479 Any good that befalls you is from God, and any evil that befalls you is from yourself. We have sent you as a messenger to the people and God is enough as a witness.

If x suffers, then x was on the receiving end of what was bad/evil for him. But, the fact that x suffered, was perfection purely because x deserved to suffer. Thus, objectively speaking it was good/perfect that x suffered. x could be a prophet, x could be an angel.
If I get fat as a result of eating too much and exercising too little, and I am unhappy about this, then this does not take anything away from the fact that it was perfection for me to get fat. The good man cannot be harmed if he truly is good enough. But then again, he would never have left paradise if he was truly good enough. Jesus, Muhammad, Cain, Abel, David, Abraham, Adam, Mary, all disobeyed God. All were unfair/evil towards God.

If so, why God Himself ask the same people who killed His prophets/messengers, Why did you kill prophets while that is what God wanted?

At some point, God Said to Jesus It Will terminate him and raise him to Itself. The are an endless number of ways or mechanisms within which Jesus could have been killed. Amongst these mechanisms, is to get oppressive and unrighteous people to complete their transgressions by exposing them to Jesus. They then complete their transgression in time and in coordination with Jesus having fulfilled his duties to God. It's time for Jesus to die, and they seem to be willing to kill prophets. Will they really go through with it? Obviously, God Knows in advance that they will. Jesus dies, they complete their transgression. Jesus goes to Heaven, they go to Hell. Jesus was sent to guide them, they killed him (if that is what happened). Adam taught the angels what they did not know, all prostrated to him except Iblees. Kill two birds with one stone. This is efficiency. It is glorious. Recall that after we ate from the tree, that we descended as enemies to one another. Why do you think Abel said the following to Cain

529 "I want you to have both my sin as well as your own sin, and you will then be among the dwellers of the fire. Such is the reward of the wicked."

Again, the rapist, the thief, the liar, the murderer, is only worthy of blame, if and only if, he thinks his intent is evil, but still commits to it anyway.

530 So he found it in himself to kill his brother, and he killed him. He thus became one of the losers.

Whether it's in the from of killing prophets, raping women, or ignoring pure reason, if it is evil intent on his part and he has embraced/accepted/chosen to be this way, then he is truly evil. Worthy of Hell. He has chosen to serve or commit to other than God and has persisted such that it would have been imperfection for God to Guide him. Would you guide whom God (the wholly innocent of evil) misguides?

God is not responsible for Adam betraying.. It was not God's plan.. Not what God wanted.. But He knew..

It's exactly what God Wanted/Willed. Otherwise, God would never create Adam or expose Iblees to him. Adam is responsible for betraying God, God is responsible for God/Existence Being Perfect. Thus, Adam lost paradise, and some of us will have a better paradise than before, whilst some of us will go to Hell. What do you think God means when God Tells the angels that It Knows what they do not know? Why do you think the angles questioned God?

And your Lord said to the angels "I am placing a successor on the earth." They said "Will You place in it he who would make corruption in it, and spill blood; while we praise by Your glory, and exalt to You?" He said "I know what you do not know." (230)

Do not forget that it is God who guides or misguides. Misguidance does not happen independently of God. Nothing happens independently of God/Existence. God does not just do nothing and x gets misguided. God Wills x to be misguided. It's what x deserves.

The one got raped is her destiny coz of another evil persons freewill.. God didn't wrong her neither the rapist...

Did she deserve to be raped? If yes, then no injustice has occurred in Existence. If no, then injustice has occurred in existence, therefore existence is imperfect. Either God Is Perfect...which means Existence Is Perfect, or there is no god truly worth serving. Again, the rapist is evil and blameworthy, we are obliged to punish if we see him and have no reason to believe that he is genuinely sorry. The rapist is evil if and only if there was evil intent or 'reasoning' on his part (which is almost certainly guaranteed). Look at my example with Jesus for more details on this.

huruf

Salam Huruf. What you have said and continue to say, logically implies that existence is imperfect

You say "many sufferings are undeserved". If they are undeserved, then that means injustice has occurred in Existence. Does it not? If x suffers but x did not deserve to suffer, then x got what he didn't deserve, did he not? Any instance wherein which someone gets what they don't deserve (whether it's good or bad for them) is an instance of injustice. Any existence wherein which injustice occurs, is imperfect. It would take an imperfect god, for existence to be imperfect.If the one who was raped, and the one who became an orphan did not deserve to have it happen to them, then existence is no longer perfect is it? god is no longer perfect is he? How can god be perfect when he has willed undeserved suffering? A relevant verse here