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    good_logic
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    Let me show the biggest problem that exist for humans to ponder.
    First I will quote you brother Nur

    "it is established by learning it, you then apply it, if you wanted to allow others to access the same concepts easily a software system could be created to allow people to interact more easily using the structures of anarchy."

    Who is the original teacher of this system and has complete knowledge of it?

    "learning" something as humans has many layers. Unless we all become experts at it,it will fail.
    "Responsibility" is a probability issue for humans . There is never going to be 100% people being responsible.
    "Interact" on something we all agree with can be done even without regular interaction.But humans like to argue and disagree mostly.

    I am not being negative for me or you. I am backing a true system led by the all knowledgeable and perfect being . Our creator is the only qualified being to teach a perfect system.
    GOD bless you.
    Peace.

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      Abdun_Nur
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      Islam is the original teacher of this model, it states two basic concepts,the first is you may have no sovereign the second you cannot be involved in riba, this could be the entire text of the Qur'an, and for a reasoning soul this alone would be enough, through simple logic, to form the anarchic structural concepts and models.

      People do not take responsibility for themselves, they seek granted rights and suffer imposed duties through the worship of sovereigns, and they are at the mercy of riba system monopolies, these are not the actions of anyone who takes any responsibility for themselves.A slave cannot take responsibility for themselves they are property, this mental state of being property is the very base of the problem.

      Becoming an "Expert" in anarchic structured concepts is easy, do not get involved in riba, and have no sovereigns, that's how simple it is, the rest is simply seeking a way of doing this, Islam is the inherent, if you can reason then you examine things from the root, the root is the inherent, for example all rights are a grant from a master to a slave, that is irrefutable, rights are only for slaves, the soul has inherent power and needs no rights. Who is above me to grant me what is inherent or prevent what is inherent?

      What is inherent power is, is simple, it requires two simple concepts to be applied
      Do all you freely agree to with witness.
      Treat all others as you would yourself like to be treated (the reciprocal duty of care)
      From this basic concept inherent power can be established.

      You seek a sovereign, not only in this earthly perception but beyond it, and wish others to do your thinking for you, why because you are trapped in childhood, there is no other possibility, at no point in your infinite existence will others do your thinking for you that will not be detrimental because you, and only you are required to think for yourself, otherwise why do you even have a mind, you either use it or others will use it for you, as is the present situation..

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        good_logic
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        First of all I am not aware of anyone doing the thinking for me.

        Then you have the problem of billions not being aware someone else is doing the thinking for them.
        If you mean everyone should think like you, then they may not be aware of your kind of thinking.
        What you are explaining in your post about treating others like you would like to be treated I agree with 100%. Besides that ,it seems I am not thinking for myself according to you.

        So the most logical thing to do is not say anymore and let the one thinking for me, speak for me as well.
        Thank you brother.
        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

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          Abdun_Nur
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          You're not aware others are doing your thinking?

          Almost everything in the modern age that people believe as true is actually complete nonsense, you could examine any subject really, this is others doing your thinking for you, because you have never learned to think for yourself.

          The very reason the govern mental mafia imposed the mandated education system was to prevent people being able to use their mind, a 12,000 hour indoctrination programming system.

          I wrote an short explanation of developing the skill of reasoning, it is such a very rare skill, and one as important as learning to communicate through language

          https//earthcoinage.com/?page_id=7337

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            good_logic
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            I have nothing to do with the modern age or those who did the thinking for it.

            I do not believe in any system that is man made.

            If you mean how do I earn my living then in the past I rendered to the modern world because there was no choice.

            Now I got out of it and retired from it. I earn my living working for GOD Alone.

            I am afraid if anyone thinks they are thinking for me ,they are 100% mistaken.

            I have an idea of what you are trying to say.
            Hope you have an idea of what I am trying to say to you as well.
            GOD bless you.
            Peace.

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              You are taking what I say as a personal insult and attack, I'm simply stating what is true,I say what needs to be said, and people are trained to react to truth with cognitive dissonance,

              I don't mind being hated, as long as it helps people to have a brief opportunity to see reality, most would rather die than think, and for those, I will always be hated.

              Honesty in a ocean of lies is a true gift, but people want unwarranted praise, not warranted truth.

              You have everything to do with the modern age, you are within it, part of it. Believing in the system, is not required by the systems of control, only conformity, and we are all bound by the monopolies, this is also irrefutable.

              How do you remove monopoly, you create an alternative that gives people a free choice, as with choice the monopoly is gone.

              That is my intent, to form an alternative to every single monopoly presently in place.

              Most are like yourself good logic, they have very narrow views and anything that would disrupt those narrow views generates outrage.

              You can never escape the slavery as long as the monopolies exist, we are all drowning in the ocean of lies, and riba, with endless manipulations, take the present fraud of a covid virus, viruses have no basis at all in any real science, they are a construct.

              Viruses are an off shoot of the Rockefeller model of medicine, based on the complete nonsense of germ theory, which ascribes a germ or virus as the cause of a specific disease, this nonsense allows huge profits in a medical system that cures almost nothing and seeks to simply masks symptoms.

              They have imposed curfews, mask wearing, testing, and shutdown small businesses across the planet, are you not effected by this fraud?

              One objective of the fraud is depopulation, vaccines are an effective depopulation tool, this was made clear in the 1918 Spanish flu, which murdered 2% of the global population, but the flu didn't kill anyone, the new wonder drug Aspirin did, the more that died the higher the doses given, so in a year or two they murdered as many as 10 years of global war, cost them almost nothing in comparison to war.

              The global banking system needs a reset, and they need to crash the global economy to achieve this transition to a cashless digital model of theft.

              The Ashkenazi want a single govern mental system globally, they call this the new world order, with this they can form new monopolies, of water, seeds, food, and ownership, people that survive the cull will, according to the publish Rockefeller plan, be forced into mega cities.

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                good_logic
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                I understand you.
                However I do not conform to them or you.
                I do not take what you say as insult. I agree with some of it.

                I wish you the best with your stand . It is not far from mine.

                Where we disagree is you believe in your own thinking and I believe in GOD Alone. My own thinking has been my downfall in the past.

                Thank you brother.
                GOD bless you.
                Peace.

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                  People have waited for a saviour, and when none came the next generation waited for a saviour, as the suffrage steadily increased, then when none came the next generation waited for a saviour, and so on.

                  At some point you have to acknowledge the saviour fiction invented by the owners of humanity is just that an invention, one designed to encourage inaction, to simply wait and conform to the dictates of the owners.

                  The God in the sky saviour, his son saviour, a prophet saviour, a political saviour, a magical saviour riding a unicorn and wearing golden armor, none are coming, we allowed this situation collectively because the skill of reasoning is now endangered, almost extinct.

                  Reason alone will end the slavery, because it is mental slavery, people polish the chains with pride that shackle them to the cells they call home.

                  The minds of humanity have atrophied.

                  Only consciousness matters.

                  Use it or lose it. Like muscle, if you do not use the muscles they will whither and die, consciousness is the same, neglected it and it will whither.

                  My thinking is reasoned, that means given the same evidence any reasoning mind would draw the same conclusions,, this means it is not really my thinking, but the reasoned perspective, anyway, it's clear you want to escape this interaction, peace

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                    good_logic
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                    Peace Abdun Nur.

                    I do not believe in a saviour for me. I believe I am my own saviour if I lead a certain way of life, I described in my first post.
                    Similarly you are your own saviour and each individual are their own as well.

                    The system you describe will run into opposition within it and it will divide into "sects" given time just like all the other human systems. This I am certain about.

                    Then you will have another problem of "status" to sort out and relative comparisons of the sects .
                    Just look at us here! We interpret Qoran in many different ways, yet Qoran teaches unity!!

                    However I encourage you to follow your heart , go for what you think is right..
                    GOD bless you.
                    Peace.

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                      Again you draw conclusions without any foundation, this is part of the indoctrination system, which schools you to remain within your narrow vision of understanding.

                      The inherent models cannot divide into sects, as they are very simple fundamental structures, the allodium, terrente, surety, bonds, built around a true medium of exchange, I realise no matter what I write, absolutely nothing would alter your full glass, all I'll say is consider carefully who has filled your glass, and again of course you will not.

                      From my perspective its like the fictional analogy of the devil and his deal, the devils deal always looks a dream come true, the paradise you imagine is waiting for you is the deal, so you happily sacrifice your life, and stand idly by while humanity suffers ever more, simply for the devils deal. But that's the nature of such deals i suppose.

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                        good_logic
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                        Peace Abdun Nur.
                        Let us see where we differ, you will hopefully see the point I am making.

                        I did a lot of thinking and reasoning and was like yourself frustrated with people -loads of them--for not thinking and reasoning like me.

                        This is what humans do, they want their thinking and reasoning to be the ideal way and gather others to join them.
                        This is what our systems and religions are doing. You are doing the same.
                        Your way is the only right way.

                        Can you see the irony? We impose our thinking and reasoning on others and forget the best way is to use it for ourselves . It will surely bare fruits if we are sound and others can then see and follow the example or not.

                        Here are lots of questions to ponder

                        Why do people not reason and think like me when I have the solution?
                        Why are people poor and got problems when I have sorted myself?
                        Why are people rich and keep getting rich when I have nothing even though I work hard?
                        Why are some people millionaires when I can manage to live comfortably with a lot less?
                        Why do some people live in slums and I....?
                        Why are some born disabled and unable to think at all?
                        Why...?

                        You will then see the way humans think and reason. Most think their way is the best.
                        Qoran says "save your own neck". This does not mean do not share and help others. But it means if you have straightened yourself and found a good way to live . Do it for you and your family and all those around you will see it and may share it with you if they see benefit in it.

                        We unite by our good intentions , good works and good morals. Humble and respectful to all people regardless of their thinking and reasoning. if they are peaceful and minding their own business.
                        The minute we think we have the "right" way and everybody else is "wrong" the easier we head for conflict and strife . Our ego will lead us thinking it is our real self!
                        All we are doing is gathering our own sect.
                        Think properly what I am saying to you brother and reason about the reality of things.

                        You already belong to my "religion" . Everyone of us was one congregation with diverse thinking and reasoning but we broke up into sects. The religion of Love GOD and love your neighbour, do good and respect all peaceful people.
                        GOD does not force this religion/way on anyone. We should not force ours either.
                        Advertise your way and leave it at that.
                        GOD bless you.
                        Peace.

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                          Neptin
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                          I have been thinking about this for a while now. I agree with everything you have written. The truth is that this system is not difficult to achieve as long as the economy works well and there is no poverty.

                          Fixing the economy or eliminating poverty won't solve anything. People will always want more money, however much they posses. And those who have plenty will always seek to retain as much as they can.

                          And we can't have a perfect economy, poverty apparently is here to stay. Any attempt to eliminate poverty will breed economic problems. If you increase minimum wage, market prices soars. If you reduce market prices, labor supply will plummet. If you increase minimum wage and reduce market prices, businesses will crumble.

                          People need to wake up. The world is a ruthless place. Equality, Justice, or Fairness is often never the default state and almost unattainable. Life always boils down to survival of the fittest, every man for himself.

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                            good_logic
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                            An example of an improving economy

                            Rwanda has recently enjoyed strong economic growth rates, creating new business prospects and lifting people out of poverty. ... Rwanda's major foreign exchange earners include mining, tourism, coffee, and tea, and continued growth in these sectors will be critical for economic development and poverty reduction

                            The economy of Rwanda has undergone rapid industrialisation due to a successful governmental policy. Since the early-2000s, Rwanda has witnessed an economic boom improving the living standards of many Rwandans. The Government's progressive visions have been the catalyst for the fast transforming economy.

                            Rwanda was in the middle of an economic boom prior to the COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic. Economic growth exceeded 10% in 2019, driven mostly by large public investments for implementation of the National Strategy of Transformation.

                            https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX0ozxrZlEQ

                            GOD bless.
                            Peace.

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                              Neptin
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                              An example of an improving economy

                              Rwanda has recently enjoyed strong economic growth rates, creating new business prospects and lifting people out of poverty. ... Rwanda's major foreign exchange earners include mining, tourism, coffee, and tea, and continued growth in these sectors will be critical for economic development and poverty reduction

                              The economy of Rwanda has undergone rapid industrialisation due to a successful governmental policy. Since the early-2000s, Rwanda has witnessed an economic boom improving the living standards of many Rwandans. The Government's progressive visions have been the catalyst for the fast transforming economy.

                              Rwanda was in the middle of an economic boom prior to the COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic. Economic growth exceeded 10% in 2019, driven mostly by large public investments for implementation of the National Strategy of Transformation.

                              https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX0ozxrZlEQ

                              GOD bless.
                              Peace.

                              But there is still poverty in Rwanda, right? Economic boom are seldom permanent, there comes a point when recession set in.

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                                Again you are wrongly focused on the control, indoctrinated into you, an economy is the state of a country or region in terms of the production and consumption of goods and services and the supply of money. All these things are held in monopoly, this means when you have growth it is economic, nothing to do with the population, but all to do with the monopolists.

                                Poverty and unemployment is needed in a system of economic slavery, it depresses wages, reduces demands for better conditions, and artificially increases the perceived value of money monopoly.

                                The university system teaches a subject called economics, this exists to invent justifications for the monopolists, who hoard resources and restrict access, and logical fallacies are applied to create this university taught nonsense that exists only to make the five forms of usury appear acceptable.

                                Riba or usury is the foundation of every monopolist, these parasites hold humanity in ignorance and poverty, perpetuating that fantasy of human nature being greed, hatred, contempt and extortion of others, is indoctrination, a system free of riba and you have no poverty.

                                Riba is not trade. Trade is a reciprocal exchange of the fruits of your labour for the fruits of the labours of another,

                                Usury is a one-sided extraction of the fruits of the labours of another, which has 5 basic forms, Debt (the interest demand for the use of money), profit (the interest demanded for the use of capital), rental (the interest demanded for the use of infrastructure), taxation (the interest demanded for the use of your labour), and ownership (the interest demanded for the use of land through the fiction of eminent domain)

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                                  good_logic
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                                  Peace Neptin.

                                  Of course there will be poverty. But the change is phenomenal.
                                  From complete chaos poverty and, destruction of communities to the most structured and booming economy..

                                  Something is working for them. Can you imagine if all Africa and the underdeveloped world do the same at least.
                                  I am not saying they have a perfect or even good system, I am saying eradicating extreme poverty and starvation of people is possible in our world.
                                  GOD bless you.
                                  Peace.

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                                    Abdun_Nur
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                                    The fiat money system itself is worthless

                                    Fiat means by decree, fiat money is created when the government decrees a money monopoly and the value of the fiat currency isn't representative of another asset or financial instrument such as gold, but has absolutely no value except the govern mental mafia decreeing it has value, and imposing that decreed money monopoly in settlement for goods or services.

                                    Only a bad medium of exchange requires force and monopoly, a good medium of exchange people would seek out independently.

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                                      good_logic
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                                      I can see a difference in leaders that are "puppets" and those who are "trying to be honest".You usually have a strong inclination where they stand in the respect table not only by what they say but what they do for their people and the rest of the world.
                                      I have some respect for the Rwanda and the leader

                                      https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltqGBt0Gdlk

                                      Like I Said his people are the judge not me.
                                      But I see a good example of someone trying to "better" his people. I do not see any hidden agenda even if some say the system they follow is monopolised.
                                      GOD bless.
                                      peace.

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                                        As every Muslim is required fundamentally to be at war with all forms of riba, does someone who claims to be a Muslim and is protective, indulgent, invested or existing upon riba, a Muslim?

                                        Can someone "not" at war with Riba be a Muslim at all?

                                        I would say NO, they cannot in anyway be a Muslim!

                                        If they are not at war with, and working against Riba in its five basic forms, how could they in anyway be Muslim?

                                        This fundamental aspect of being Muslim is almost non-existent presently, that's 1.8 billion people that claim to be Muslims, and almost all of them are bare faced liars, hypocrites, deceivers, fraudsters and thieves in respect of riba.

                                        Let me reiterate

                                        Riba is not trade. Trade is a reciprocal exchange of the fruits of your labour for the fruits of the labours of another,

                                        Usury is a one-sided extraction of the fruits of the labours of another, which has 5 basic forms, Debt (the interest demand for the use of money), profit (the interest demanded for the use of capital), rental (the interest demanded for the use of infrastructure), taxation (the interest demanded for the use of your labour), and ownership (the interest demanded for the use of land through the fiction of eminent domain)

                                        Denial of what riba is seems to be how the hypocrites justify the false claim they're Muslim, but riba (usury) is well defined, they have perverted this to allow themselves to wallow in riba, redefined by the liars as excess interest!!!

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                                          Leaders can be examined globally, in one of my articles I use an example in Hawaii, a road washed away, the govern mental mafia told the now isolated group of people they would have to wait 2 years (to justify the cost) and it would cost $20 million to fix, desperate they paid for the work to repair the washed away road themselves it took 2 weeks and cost around $20,000.

                                          Another example in San Fransisco, the govern mental mafia paid for 300 tents that retailed at $50 each for the homeless, they charged the tax payer $62,500 per tent, now consider this is how every single govern mental transaction is done, this level of theft or greater, and you'll get some idea as to why you cannot defer your responsibilities to another, and why you should not surrender a share of your labours to fund these govern mental mafias.

                                          Leader is desired by the child mind, they want to defer their responsibilities to a re-presentative.

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