Almost all pagans are pantheists
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Peace G.L,
all books of religion are always, no matter what is claimed within them, or by anyone about them, always without exception books of claims, and these claims must always be proven before they are accepted.
Just say you dont want to test claims.
If the Qur'an is "the word of the lord of the universe/creator (Ba'al)", then show evidence firstly this Ba'al exists in someway, and that if this entity exists the claims of the religious book are made directly by them?
I can do that. Want one in your house? Astral realm is full of entities who go around claiming to be God. Ba'al might be dead by now. But shape lifting can make another play his role.
Why do I say "Ba'al", is because you are claiming it indirectly,
Ba'al means "owner", you inherently can only own that which you yourself create,
Umm, you got myths wrong about Mr Ba'al.
If you consider every soul a slave, then they are owned, and as property they may be judged according to the dictates of their master, this is rhe Ba'alist model, the "owner" and the "owned"., this is purely from a point of view of reason, again to get to the point of reason you'd firstly have to prove the claim, proof of the Ba'alist entity, proof you are the property of that entity, proof you are fully informed of the dictates and bound to the dictates of that entity?
Thats like concluding that Kim family created christianity. These days they go around claiming to be God by copying whats in the bible.
To whom it may concern,
Our freedom lies in being servant and property of God. This actually guarantees rights and values we all deserve to have for own empowerment.
The moment our position is cancelled we become toys for those with money and power. Just look at what happened to communist and orthodox sectarian regions.
Peace
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Peace,
Ba'al means owner, the word itself.
Tri-ba'al is the trinity (Father - son - ghost formerly Mother - Father - son) that forms corporation and trust, allowing the domination of humanity through the five forms of usury, this is the reason the Ba'alists have invented basically the same religion repeatedly as the lies are exposed, they must reinvent the lie, Christianity is at least the 17th version of a Ba'alisms religious mask.
The Qur'an has been Christianised through the corruption of the Arabic language itself, and there is no group who worship Ba'alist values of riba more than Muslims.
Ba'alism is for psychopaths, which are referenced as Jinn, meaning a hidden nature, all psychopaths are narcissists, meaning a psychopath only worship themselves, this form of religion is not entity based but power based, the psychopath seeks power, to be Ba'al (owner)
The Vatican created the 17th version labelled Christianity under the direction of Constantine, to rebuild the failing Roman Ba'alist empire, as a new Holy Roman Empire.
If you wish to be property you are under the control of Ba'al, owner, a ship on the holy see of commerce.
Truth in a pure form is not the same as a fact, a fact in any court is what both parties in dispute agree upon, and they could both agree upon a lie, truth is untainted by error, bias, ulterior motive, or desire to distract others, determining truth is really the question.
The ancient method of determining anything to truth is the trivium, this was a companion book of the Qur'an, until Islam was defeated and the Christianised (Ba'alist) version of Islam was installed.
The trivium is very ancient and was the cause of the Renaissance in Europe, when the crusaders brought the trivium into Europe, and the response to the trivium from the Ba'alists was the inquisition, this failed, it wasn't until they developed mandated schooling the problem of reasoning was finally solved, and this solution was exported globally.
The abilty to reason to truth was common among early Muslims, and completely absent in modern Muslims, I have consistently attempted to encourage Muslims to develop the skill to reason to truth, however the Ba'alist blind faith programming is very difficult to over come for a mind owned by the Ba'alists.
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Does every question have an answer, no, the ability to determine some questions quanatively would be impossible, for example how many planets exist in perception, or how many bacteria populate the Earth, as we do not have the tools or ability to count them and the number is constantly changing, but for fundamental questions you can determine the truth, such as does a god or gods exist, the evidence does not show any entity god, then that question is answered.
The next question would then be, if no entity exists, then what caused existence?
But the Ba'alist mind can not get past the answer of the original question, they cannot accept the evidence, and so the next question is never asked, this is stagnant thought.
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Abdun Nur.
Are you sure about this ,quote"...but for fundamental questions you can determine the truth, such as does a god or gods exist, the evidence does not show any entity god, then that question is answered."
What evidence? Or do you call some " human reasoned argument" evidence?
This is key to what we say all of us. Evidence can only mean beyond any doubt.
If some valid reason/s exist to any so called evidence ,then that evidence is faulty. Especially evidence about things beyond our realm!
Look ,just like I cannot make GOD appear in person to some people , they cannot completely rule out/ deny there are unseen worlds/dimensions and may be a GOD that created our world. If our world is limited ,our knowledge is also limited
This is what you seem to ignore.
GOD bless you.
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(replace the word "Sunni" with any other denominations). Including Ecospirituality .
ecospirituality, surrender and living in Heaven/ peace with NATURE.
Everyone is after their "heaven" .. So what is new about your religion/philosophy/way?
Oh and mine is included there no matter how much I pretend I am not like the others!!!
Don t we all want somewhere peaceful like heaven?
And when you say NATURE, where does it come from? How did it come about? What is its origin? Who initiated its commands to renew and repeat its cycles?
Or may be it is an illusion you see with the eyes that were made for you!
Check and reflect properly.
God bless you.
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Peace G.L,
if you have evidence a god entity exists, I'm all ears, I know of no such evidence, logical fallacies are applied to claims, but no evidence in support of a god entity exists.
If evidence could be found it seems with the number of Ba'alist indoctrinated minds looking for evidence it would have been presented, even the tiniest amount of evidence, yet there is none.
I'm not talking about overwhelming evidence, just the tiniest amount of evidence, a speck of evidence, a grain, an atom, and there is none, so to perpetuate the god entity concept is purely Ba'alist indoctrination, the schooled mind, the unreasoning mind, whatever you wish to name it.
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The one GOD. Creator of everything..
Do you think this universe, you and all that exist has no originator?
Where did it all come from?You are one ! the evidence of a Creator.
Or where did all this come from? You have evidence?
GOD bless you.
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Peace G.L,
if you have evidence a god entity exists, I'm all ears, I know of no such evidence, logical fallacies are applied to claims, but no evidence in support of a god entity exists.
If evidence could be found it seems with the number of Ba'alist indoctrinated minds looking for evidence it would have been presented, even the tiniest amount of evidence, yet there is none.
I'm not talking about overwhelming evidence, just the tiniest amount of evidence, a speck of evidence, a grain, an atom, and there is none, so to perpetuate the god entity concept is purely Ba'alist indoctrination, the schooled mind, the unreasoning mind, whatever you wish to name it.
So you anticipate that HUMAN to bring evidence for the existence of God? rotfl
This weak human who himself doesn't know his own begining with evidence would bring evidence of God?...
I am curious what kind of evidence do you expect human to bring to convince that God does exist?
You want the God to get down to earth or you want a miracle that no human can perform?What is the tangible evidence that you prefer
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Or let me put it in more pragmatic way...
Suppose had you ever lived with one of those prophets who performed miracles.. For example musa or Isa would you believe in God if you see the miracles.. Or would you still need evidence?
Just answer Yes or No.. That's enough pls... Just take yourself to that scenario...
Note.. Don't ask me the prophets were real or whether they lived truly or not.. Just imagine they lived and you lived with one of those.. Just to curb the debate to topic.. ..
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I'm not expecting anything to be produced as evidence as no god entity could exist, if you managed to get beyond the stagnating mind of god worship, you'd realise this also. I'm saying if a god entity exists then the perceptual reality would indictate such an entity, I'm not the one who believes in a god entity without an atoms worth of actual evidence, that belief system is the Ba'alists structure of religions.
Ba'alist minds function on logical fallacies, for example the logical fallacy of cirular reasoning, this can be applied to percetual reality or a religious book, any religious book can be used.
The logical fallacy of circular reasoning-"God exists we know that to be true since the Bible tell us so the Bible is true because it is the word of God"
" HUMAN to bring evidence for the existence of God" yes that's how it works, you examine the perceptual reality and determine if any evidence exists within that reality to indicate a god entities existence.
I see another logical fallacy, the logical fallacy of Hearsay is generally considered very weak evidence if it is considered evidence at all. ... Especially when such evidence is unfalsifiable (not able to be proven false).
The logical fallacy of hearsay - "prophets who performed miracles."
I'm not talking about magic tricks as evidence, but fundmental indicators a god entity exists,as no evidence exists those indicators do not exist, however if you managed to ask the question beyond the god entiry blind faith. The question of "what caused existsence",, if you managed to accept no evidence exists to support the belief of a god entity, and you concluded no god entity could then exist, then the next question of what caused existence could indeed be answered, but not before that acceptance, holding onto the false belief stagnates you.
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Abdun Nur.
This does not make sense,quote
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The question of "what caused existsence",, if you managed to accept no evidence exists to support the belief of a god entity, and you concluded no god entity could then exist, then the next question of what caused existence could indeed be answered, but not before that acceptance, holding onto the false belief stagnates you.""What caused existence"? is just one question that should be answered without conditions.
When we ask that question it means we want to find out "what intelligence" WHO? One can easily deduce that there is a very intelligent design in what we see all around us and in ourselves.
Or do you mean we have to ask "What caused existence" twice? The first time you need to accept "there is no god" then ask it a second time to find out ?
GOD bless you.
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OK, what I'm saying is your false belief in a god entity gives you the cause of existence of you, the god entity, however it generates a new question, where did the god entity come from, effectively where you came from is a stagnant answer, even if the god entity existed, the question fundamentally remains, what caused existence, for you the god entity but what for the god entity?
This means it answers nothing.
Now you are taking the evidence of consciousness, thought and so design as your basis of a god entity, but that is not the only possibility to that evidence, in fact the god entity diminishes existence in many ways, it removes free will effectively, but we have free will, most do not use it, but it is available, again demonstrating the falsehood of the god entity concept.
I believe the reason most people want the ba'alist god entity is ease, its a quick and easy option, taking little effort and even less thought, and the choice of which Ba'alist religion you apply your easy god answer to is generally geographical, if you're born in USA likely Christian, if your born in middle east likely Muslim, if your born in India likely Hindu etc.
The Ba'alist models are hierarchical, the natural models are not, they attempt to implant hierachy into nature, for example the lion is the king of the Jungle, although the Lion is a plains animal not a jungle animal, it would be more accurate to say the tiger is the king of the jungle.
You cannot determine what caused existence if you hold a false belief, as you believe a god exists, then how can you determine anything about this god entity as no evidence exists, but if you dismiss that false belief, then you may look with fresh eyes at the actual evidence, consider what is actually there and through an honest and unbiast consideration you can indeed determine what caused existence.
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AN...
You didn't answer directly....
Again i ask like you repeated from GA in another topic..
If you were one of those who crossed the sea with Musa, would you have believed in the existence of God? Or would you consider it was just a magic of musa ...
Even if you happen to witness such an astounding incident in your life would you believe existence of creator? That you first answer pls?
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The questions is utterly irrekevant, a fictional evebt that you beleve somehow has any relevance to anything, it does not.
Wow... Somehow steangley I knew that this could be the answer I would get from you... I don't know somehow my guess became true... Okay fine..
Let that be an utterly fictional event that never took place... Left all events mentioned in quran be total lie and let the Quran be a total lie... Fine..
But I suggested you in my previous thread that lets hope that it took place...
Again I reiterate... In case you involve in a similar incident which is not fictional but real and of you witness the incident then that would be enough for you to accept that God does exist or you would deny God still..
So simple my question... How it can be irrelevant? Coz evidence is what you looking for... So I am trying to get evidence... Not mine.. But God's...
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The event is hearsay, it has additionally been proven it was not the jews who built the pyramids, they were not slaves in Eygpt, and so the event is a xomplete fiction from start to finish.
Magic tricks do not prove a god entity, con men perform large scale magic tricks and fool their audience even today.
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The event is hearsay, it has additionally been proven it was not the jews who built the pyramids, they were not slaves in Eygpt, and so the event is a xomplete fiction from start to finish.
Answer the question pls.... Don't divert and turn yourself strawman...
First of all I want to convince that even EVIDENCE is enough for you...
Mostly people who ask for evidence turns violent when the evidence are displayed infront...
Evidence doesn't make difference when it is evident to them... But they keep claim for evidence....Would you still believe of the evidence is manifest to you that God does exist?
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Magic tricks do not prove a god entity, con men perform large scale magic tricks and fool their audience even today.
Well well well... ...
So if you are someone who witness evidence and if you claim it is magic then what evidence you will believe in.... You are exposed... People specially believera are intelligent... You can't divert them...
Even you enter the janna and see everything and come back you would say.. Your eyes were dazzled.. Or you were tricked..
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Evidence is defined as something that gives proof or leads to a conclusion.
The events is not proven to have happened, and the archaeological evidence does not support the claims of the Moses story, additionally the performance of magic tricks, like David Copperfield is not proof, proof would be within the fabric of perceptual reality. This proof could only exist if the god entity actually existed, as it does not then the god entity does not exist.
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So O my dear believers...
This person was asking evidence from us being Human being for the existence of God....
But he is ready to deny the evidence of God subjecting them as magic tricks...
So what evidence of human being he is gonna trust? Pls be wise my dear believers... SATAN comes in every form possible to him... whatever