Malika...
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Peace...
850 And if you could but see when the angels take the souls of those who disbelieved... They are striking their faces and their backs and , "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire."
Does this obvious verse indicates us that MALAIKA Know the destiny of those who die and to claim that they are heading to hell... This is a big capacity.. Isn't it?
Do you still think that malaika Knkw what is in our heart?
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Peace Jkhan
,Peace...
850 And if you could but see when the angels take the souls of those who disbelieved... They are striking their faces and their backs and , "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire."
Does this obvious verse indicates us that MALAIKA Know the destiny of those who die and to claim that they are heading to hell... This is a big capacity.. Isn't it?This scene takes place at the time of the last judgement so it is not related to the fact of knowing our destiny or not by the angels
Do you still think that malaika Knkw what is in our heart?
We have at least one guardian who records our action, and intentions (heart = like for the hypocrites I guess).
But God did not give us the knowledge of all things and sometimes we have to say "I am not sure but it doesn't matter".To conclude
God does not impose on anyone except according to his ability...God bless you
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Malaika are carrying out tasks from GOD.
They obey GOD and do exactly what they were commanded to do.
It does not mean they know the future nor they know secrets of folks.
So the angel of death is carrying the duty of bringing good news or bad news to the person from the all knowledgeable.
We cannot possibly know how much Malaika know from their own experience.But GOD certainly told us that He knows what Malaika do not know.All we can say is that Malaika are GOD s creation like us and they do not have perfect knowledge like we do not.
GOD bless.
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Peace Jkhan
,This scene takes place at the time of the last judgement so it is not related to the fact of knowing our destiny or not by the angels
We have at least one guardian who records our action, and intentions (heart = like for the hypocrites I guess).
But God did not give us the knowledge of all things and sometimes we have to say "I am not sure but it doesn't matter".To conclude
God does not impose on anyone except according to his ability...God bless you
Peace....
Thank you brother Iyyaka..
May be yeah your opinion is right... Needless to know everything ... Somehow believers are promised with Janna..
But the curiosity still waving... For example... We all will be provided with a record book on the day of Judgement and in it nothing will be left out... Suppose if malaika who are designated to record don't have the capacity to know what is in our heart... Then I used to ponder many a hours about God and His creations while on bed or travelling or while alone sometimes... It literally means remembering God without uttering words... In case, unless we utter a word or perform an action Malaika won't record.. Then would that rembering God for hours everyday won't be in my record book? Or I should change the way I remember God...Or else some believers may applaud God within their heart... Will that be recorded? So many good thoughts can be performed without using any action or audible voice...
That's why I with much curiosity raised this Question... Does malak have the capacity to reach our heart? Or only God? -
Malaika are carrying out tasks from GOD.
They obey GOD and do exactly what they were commanded to do.
It does not mean they know the future nor they know secrets of folks.
So the angel of death is carrying the duty of bringing good news or bad news to the person from the all knowledgeable.
We cannot possibly know how much Malaika know from their own experience.But GOD certainly told us that He knows what Malaika do not know.All we can say is that Malaika are GOD s creation like us and they do not have perfect knowledge like we do not.
GOD bless.
Peace.So... I should remember God in words so that it would be in my record books... Anyhkw God knows that I remembered Him so God would In sha Allah won't make it waste... But how malak record it?
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Malaika are carrying out tasks from GOD.
They obey GOD and do exactly what they were commanded to do.
It does not mean they know the future nor they know secrets of folks.
So the angel of death is carrying the duty of bringing good news or bad news to the person from the all knowledgeable.
We cannot possibly know how much Malaika know from their own experience.But GOD certainly told us that He knows what Malaika do not know.All we can say is that Malaika are GOD s creation like us and they do not have perfect knowledge like we do not.
GOD bless.
Peace.Brother GL and others.. ...
Just give little more thoughts with my question by comparing verses 8210-12 and 5016-18 what do you think...
They malaika know everything about us perhaps.. What actually the word Yalfizu means.. It occurs once.. Is it utter?
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I am thinking like this, for the goodness of heaven we need the complete support of these Malaika, those are natural forces and to experience Hell we lack the support and comfort provided by them, in a way the opposite thing happen in each, In this world too we need external support to lead a comfortable life, wealth knowledge and other support in the form of rain, sun and all those life sustaining things. In this world we are easily influenced by our ego and we often see we lost certain things when gaining certain other things.
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Salam Brother Jkhan,
Just give little more thoughts with my question by comparing verses 8210-12 and 5016-18 what do you think...
They malaika know everything about us perhaps..Yes, this seems to be the case according to the ayats you quoted. At least the ones who are in charge of recording our deeds in the broadest sense in a collection.
I like this Zoroastrian maxim, which is found in the Qur'an in a different way, but which answers your question Humata, Hukhta, Huvarshta ("good thought, good word, good deed"What actually the word Yalfizu means.. It occurs once.. Is it utter?
https//www.haqeeqat.pk/roots/(1319).htm
NB
- Congratulations for your hours spent meditating on God, his creation, his Signs... This will be counted for you. In the same vein, in the verse (11114) Salat is counted as a "good deed". The reminder of God is therefore very positive, especially if it increases our faith, our humility and gives us the energy to act in accordance with the divine will (acting as close as a "rrahmani-c" being)
God bless you.
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Peace jkhan.
We are interpreting from an unseen world about unseen beings recording our life . GOD is meticulous and will not leave anything to chance . We cannot find a single excuse or any doubt about GOD s justice. So angels have the task to record and witness everything about us.
Again I am interpreting here when I say this
Two angels are in charge of each individual s life. both as guide and witness. Why two and not just one?
Simply because with a witness there will be complete justice. Nothing is left to argument or doubt.
As far as whether Angels know certain things about us ,it is irrelevant as things are recorded and witnessed so that we can see for ourselves our own destiny and outcome.
We can claim we were unaware of this but the veil will be lifted and the soul will be able to recognise and see clearly by what was recorded and witnessed its own fate when we face judgement.
It will be enough for each soul to be its own reckoner.
GOD bless you.
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Thank you brothers.. What about this phrase..
8212 "They(Malaika) know whatever you do (thaf'alun) "
I think they know whatever we do means everything.. As I said they may be knowimg if one meditates inside his heart or pondering OR rembering God though words are not uttered... Even remembering God silently is an action within a person... So they know in what action we are involved with...
This thaf'alun may not simply visible actions but beyond that.. For example God says He knows whatever we do (thaf'alun) so in fact God knows what we keep saying inside our heart... 1691 " ..... Indeed, Allah knows what you do (thaf'alun) doesn't this include all our actions..?
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You mean this?
8210-12
Oblivious to the fact that there are (invisible) keepers around you.
وَإِنَّ عَلَيكُم لَحٰفِظينَ
They are honest recorders.
كِرامًا كٰتِبينَ
They record everything you do.
يَعلَمونَ ما تَفعَلونَThey know because they are recording it. If someone is with you 24/7 recording what you do then of course they know everything you do.
But do those that are not with you know everything you do?
GOD bless you.
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You mean this?
8210-12
Oblivious to the fact that there are (invisible) keepers around you.
وَإِنَّ عَلَيكُم لَحٰفِظينَ
They are honest recorders.
كِرامًا كٰتِبينَ
They record everything you do.
يَعلَمونَ ما تَفعَلونَThey know because they are recording it. If someone is with you 24/7 recording what you do then of course they know everything you do.
But do those that are not with you know everything you do?
GOD bless you.
Peace.Verse says "They KNOW whatever we DO" ... I prefer direct from Quran.. Not altered translations...
Yes I mean those malaika... So it means for every human and jinn there malaika ready waiting and watching.. And they know whatever every human and jinn does..
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Peace jkhan.
All information that is reality is "Ilm". If I am with you and I see and record what you do,that information about you becomes my "Ilm". Therefore the Malaika recording what you do know everything you do at the time.
Do you think they know before you do it? To me if one says yes, that is assumption ,Qoran does not say that.
Qoran only says Malaika know everything you do once it happens because they are with you 24/7 ,they see and record everything you do. It does not say they record what you do before you do it does it?
GOD bless you.
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Peace jkhan.
All information that is reality is "Ilm". If I am with you and I see and record what you do,that information about you becomes my "Ilm". Therefore the Malaika recording what you do know everything you do at the time.
Do you think they know before you do it? To me if one says yes, that is assumption ,Qoran does not say that.
Qoran only says Malaika know everything you do once it happens because they are with you 24/7 ,they see and record everything you do. It does not say they record what you do before you do it does it?
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace brother...
I didn't get what you have written above... Actually concerns and questions with me regarding the capacity of Malaika.. But you raise further questions on me...
Malaika can't know the future... That's impossible.. Unless God told them about a future which is to happen... For example they knew that the people of Luth gonna be devastated coz those malaika were assigned the task...
Even malaika who are assigned to everyone don't know what we gonna do next... That's fair... But... Our thoughts are not future when it happens... If a person meditate in his heart it is not future and it happens but malaika should have the capacity to perceive it completly to record... Coz they are noble fair recorders... Thinking is an action.. Isn't it?
So I presume that malaika has to record it... Coz revering or remembering God can be done even closing eyes lying on the floor motionless.. So.. Malaika need to record... Because.. Remembering God better than many an action.. As you can see some verses it says remembering Allah is better than Salat...
7205 "remember your Lord within yourself in humility and in fear without being apparent in speech - in the mornings and the evenings. And do not be among the heedless."
Even verse 3191
Above verses may differ in understanding but... Remembering God can be performed speechless for hours...
Malaika should have the capacity to write them.. That's my concern..
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Thoughts that do not become actions GOD does not hold us responsible for them. That means they are not being recorded.
Meditation/Dhikr ,private prayers ,in my opinion are recorded by our guardian angels through GOD s command. Only GOD knows our innermost thought and whispers
Hence Angels only know what they are recording from us.
They do not know what we hide inside our thinking or our intentions. unless they receibve GOD s command. That is my understanding ,this does not contradict Qoran which clearly tells us only GOD knows the ghaib, our thoughts and intentions..
GOD is in constant ongoing conversation/communication/issuing commands... with the Angels.
It cannot be that GOD knows what we do through the Angels it must be that the Angels know through GOD.
GOD bless you.
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Thoughts that do not become actions GOD does not hold us responsible for them. That means they are not being recorded.
Meditation/Dhikr ,private prayers ,in my opinion are recorded by our guardian angels through GOD s command. Only GOD knows our innermost thought and whispers
Hence Angels only know what they are recording from us.
They do not know what we hide inside our thinking or our intentions. unless they receibve GOD s command. That is my understanding ,this does not contradict Qoran which clearly tells us only GOD knows the ghaib, our thoughts and intentions..
GOD is in constant ongoing conversation/communication/issuing commands... with the Angels.
It cannot be that GOD knows what we do through the Angels it must be that the Angels know through GOD.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace....
Would you pls considerable evidence within Quran to succor your highlighted statement...
Have you read all verses where heart appears?
I am not against what you have written but I am afraid that everytime no needs words to be uttered to do make evil within self...
Even sometimes God won't care what we utter in words and may forgive but what we intended is worse...
We may intend a worse within heart and may say fancy words outside.... Pls read all hearts verses and ponder and come back to me and say whether your statement is acceptable...Those assigned malaika are powerful to penetrate what we think in our heart unless they can't record everything what we do... For me 5016 .. The usage of "We" know what they whisper means... Assigned Malaika as well know what we whisper within ourself.. They are nearer to our jugular vein...
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Just do one thing >D
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If you avoid the major sins that you are forbidden against, then We will cancel your existing sins and admit you to a generous entrance (431)
Proof
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVhHSbdsLdI
You will not find people who have iman in Allah and the Last Day having love for anyone who opposes Allah and His Messenger, though they be their fathers, their sons, their brothers or their clan. Allah has inscribed iman upon such people´s hearts and will reinforce them with a Ruh from Him and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing under them, remaining in them timelessly, for ever. Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him. Such people are the party of Allah. Truly it is the party of Allah who are successful. (5822)
Ahh... You are back...
Mr Mahdi proclaim in public that you are Mahdi.. May be world not yet known that you are.. rotfl rotfl
Just deal with it...https//i.postimg.cc/85pDfc31/anigif-enhanced-buzz-15092-1386429644-10-1.gif
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Thoughts that do not become actions GOD does not hold us responsible for them. That means they are not being recorded.
Meditation/Dhikr ,private prayers ,in my opinion are recorded by our guardian angels through GOD s command. Only GOD knows our innermost thought and whispers
Hence Angels only know what they are recording from us.
They do not know what we hide inside our thinking or our intentions. unless they receibve GOD s command. That is my understanding ,this does not contradict Qoran which clearly tells us only GOD knows the ghaib, our thoughts and intentions..
GOD is in constant ongoing conversation/communication/issuing commands... with the Angels.
It cannot be that GOD knows what we do through the Angels it must be that the Angels know through GOD.
GOD bless you.
Peace.For example I bringforth the following verse
2283 "And if you are on a journey and cannot find a scribe, then a security deposit taken. And if one of you entrusts another, then let him who is entrusted discharge his trust and let him fear Allah , his Lord. And do not conceal testimony, for whoever conceals it - his heart is indeed sinful, and Allah is Knowing of what you do."What is your thought in this verse...
My view is... To hide a testimony you don't need to do any physical action... Just being silent is enough... Since he didn't do any action malaika doesn't record as per you... Is that correct... He concealed a testimony with intention that I was in his heart.. Do you see how God put the verse... His heart sinful... Is it required to be recorded or not ...in fact it should be recorded.. He avoided by not doing any action... Sinful heart concealed the testimony... In fact it is a big sin.. But no action literally...That's my understanding... I don't know how others feels... Welcome your opinion... Coz before opening this topic I was not sure... But now I feel more towards that malaika knows everything about a person...
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For example I bringforth the following verse
2283 "And if you are on a journey and cannot find a scribe, then a security deposit taken. And if one of you entrusts another, then let him who is entrusted discharge his trust and let him fear Allah , his Lord. And do not conceal testimony, for whoever conceals it - his heart is indeed sinful, and Allah is Knowing of what you do."What is your thought in this verse...
My view is... To hide a testimony you don't need to do any physical action... Just being silent is enough... Since he didn't do any action malaika doesn't record as per you... Is that correct... He concealed a testimony with intention that I was in his heart.. Do you see how God put the verse... His heart sinful... Is it required to be recorded or not ...in fact it should be recorded.. He avoided by not doing any action... Sinful heart concealed the testimony... In fact it is a big sin.. But no action literally...That's my understanding... I don't know how others feels... Welcome your opinion... Coz before opening this topic I was not sure... But now I feel more towards that malaika knows everything about a person...
Or even this verse
3167 " ... saying with their mouths what was not in their hearts...."
I submitted part of the verse to emphasize with topic... But read full verse...
Here malaika can record something... Coz they utter something that may be pleasant and not harmful... But it is not in their hearts... So what will be in the record books? Something which is useless OR should that cover everything?
Impossible brother... Record book should depict the reality... Not external words... I don't think that's Enough...
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541 " O Messenger, let them not grieve you who hasten into disbelief of those who say, "We believe" with their mouths, but their hearts believe not .... "
In the above verse it must that Malaika assigned to Record what these people worded... If it remains as they worded and it is a proof that they believed... Coz they have spoken and that's what malaika recorded... But with what intent they uttered that they "believe"... That should be recorded at the same time... Coz mere words of a person won't tell the true story of him.. So noble writers should know what is in our hearts when we put them in words... Even we don't put them in words they deserve to know for better recording...
That's my understanding.... I respect others understanding as well... But I am happy with what God guides me with...