Malika...

Iyyaka

Salam Brother Jkhan,

Just give little more thoughts with my question by comparing verses 8210-12 and 5016-18 what do you think...
They malaika know everything about us perhaps..

Yes, this seems to be the case according to the ayats you quoted. At least the ones who are in charge of recording our deeds in the broadest sense in a collection.
I like this Zoroastrian maxim, which is found in the Qur'an in a different way, but which answers your question Humata, Hukhta, Huvarshta ("good thought, good word, good deed&quot

What actually the word Yalfizu means.. It occurs once.. Is it utter?

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NB

Congratulations for your hours spent meditating on God, his creation, his Signs... This will be counted for you. In the same vein, in the verse (11114) Salat is counted as a "good deed". The reminder of God is therefore very positive, especially if it increases our faith, our humility and gives us the energy to act in accordance with the divine will (acting as close as a "rrahmani-c" being)

God bless you.

good_logic

Peace jkhan.

We are interpreting from an unseen world about unseen beings recording our life . GOD is meticulous and will not leave anything to chance . We cannot find a single excuse or any doubt about GOD s justice. So angels have the task to record and witness everything about us.

Again I am interpreting here when I say this

Two angels are in charge of each individual s life. both as guide and witness. Why two and not just one?
Simply because with a witness there will be complete justice. Nothing is left to argument or doubt.
As far as whether Angels know certain things about us ,it is irrelevant as things are recorded and witnessed so that we can see for ourselves our own destiny and outcome.
We can claim we were unaware of this but the veil will be lifted and the soul will be able to recognise and see clearly by what was recorded and witnessed its own fate when we face judgement.
It will be enough for each soul to be its own reckoner.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

jkhan

Thank you brothers.. What about this phrase..

8212 "They(Malaika) know whatever you do (thaf'alun) "

I think they know whatever we do means everything.. As I said they may be knowimg if one meditates inside his heart or pondering OR rembering God though words are not uttered... Even remembering God silently is an action within a person... So they know in what action we are involved with...

This thaf'alun may not simply visible actions but beyond that.. For example God says He knows whatever we do (thaf'alun) so in fact God knows what we keep saying inside our heart... 1691 " ..... Indeed, Allah knows what you do (thaf'alun) doesn't this include all our actions..?

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good_logic

You mean this?
8210-12
Oblivious to the fact that there are (invisible) keepers around you.
وَإِنَّ عَلَيكُم لَحٰفِظينَ
They are honest recorders.
كِرامًا كٰتِبينَ
They record everything you do.
يَعلَمونَ ما تَفعَلونَ

They know because they are recording it. If someone is with you 24/7 recording what you do then of course they know everything you do.
But do those that are not with you know everything you do?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

jkhan

You mean this?
8210-12
Oblivious to the fact that there are (invisible) keepers around you.
وَإِنَّ عَلَيكُم لَحٰفِظينَ
They are honest recorders.
كِرامًا كٰتِبينَ
They record everything you do.
يَعلَمونَ ما تَفعَلونَ

They know because they are recording it. If someone is with you 24/7 recording what you do then of course they know everything you do.
But do those that are not with you know everything you do?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Verse says "They KNOW whatever we DO" ... I prefer direct from Quran.. Not altered translations...

Yes I mean those malaika... So it means for every human and jinn there malaika ready waiting and watching.. And they know whatever every human and jinn does..

good_logic

Peace jkhan.

All information that is reality is "Ilm". If I am with you and I see and record what you do,that information about you becomes my "Ilm". Therefore the Malaika recording what you do know everything you do at the time.
Do you think they know before you do it? To me if one says yes, that is assumption ,Qoran does not say that.
Qoran only says Malaika know everything you do once it happens because they are with you 24/7 ,they see and record everything you do. It does not say they record what you do before you do it does it?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

jkhan

Peace jkhan.

All information that is reality is "Ilm". If I am with you and I see and record what you do,that information about you becomes my "Ilm". Therefore the Malaika recording what you do know everything you do at the time.
Do you think they know before you do it? To me if one says yes, that is assumption ,Qoran does not say that.
Qoran only says Malaika know everything you do once it happens because they are with you 24/7 ,they see and record everything you do. It does not say they record what you do before you do it does it?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace brother...

I didn't get what you have written above... Actually concerns and questions with me regarding the capacity of Malaika.. But you raise further questions on me...

Malaika can't know the future... That's impossible.. Unless God told them about a future which is to happen... For example they knew that the people of Luth gonna be devastated coz those malaika were assigned the task...

Even malaika who are assigned to everyone don't know what we gonna do next... That's fair... But... Our thoughts are not future when it happens... If a person meditate in his heart it is not future and it happens but malaika should have the capacity to perceive it completly to record... Coz they are noble fair recorders... Thinking is an action.. Isn't it?

So I presume that malaika has to record it... Coz revering or remembering God can be done even closing eyes lying on the floor motionless.. So.. Malaika need to record... Because.. Remembering God better than many an action.. As you can see some verses it says remembering Allah is better than Salat...

7205 "remember your Lord within yourself in humility and in fear without being apparent in speech - in the mornings and the evenings. And do not be among the heedless."

Even verse 3191

Above verses may differ in understanding but... Remembering God can be performed speechless for hours...
Malaika should have the capacity to write them.. That's my concern..
Thank you...

good_logic

Thoughts that do not become actions GOD does not hold us responsible for them. That means they are not being recorded.

Meditation/Dhikr ,private prayers ,in my opinion are recorded by our guardian angels through GOD s command. Only GOD knows our innermost thought and whispers

Hence Angels only know what they are recording from us.

They do not know what we hide inside our thinking or our intentions. unless they receibve GOD s command. That is my understanding ,this does not contradict Qoran which clearly tells us only GOD knows the ghaib, our thoughts and intentions..
GOD is in constant ongoing conversation/communication/issuing commands... with the Angels.
It cannot be that GOD knows what we do through the Angels it must be that the Angels know through GOD.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

jkhan

Thoughts that do not become actions GOD does not hold us responsible for them. That means they are not being recorded.

Meditation/Dhikr ,private prayers ,in my opinion are recorded by our guardian angels through GOD s command. Only GOD knows our innermost thought and whispers

Hence Angels only know what they are recording from us.

They do not know what we hide inside our thinking or our intentions. unless they receibve GOD s command. That is my understanding ,this does not contradict Qoran which clearly tells us only GOD knows the ghaib, our thoughts and intentions..
GOD is in constant ongoing conversation/communication/issuing commands... with the Angels.
It cannot be that GOD knows what we do through the Angels it must be that the Angels know through GOD.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace....

Would you pls considerable evidence within Quran to succor your highlighted statement...

Have you read all verses where heart appears?

I am not against what you have written but I am afraid that everytime no needs words to be uttered to do make evil within self...

Even sometimes God won't care what we utter in words and may forgive but what we intended is worse...
We may intend a worse within heart and may say fancy words outside.... Pls read all hearts verses and ponder and come back to me and say whether your statement is acceptable...

Those assigned malaika are powerful to penetrate what we think in our heart unless they can't record everything what we do... For me 5016 .. The usage of "We" know what they whisper means... Assigned Malaika as well know what we whisper within ourself.. They are nearer to our jugular vein...

jkhan

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Just do one thing >D

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If you avoid the major sins that you are forbidden against, then We will cancel your existing sins and admit you to a generous entrance (431)

Proof

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You will not find people who have iman in Allah and the Last Day having love for anyone who opposes Allah and His Messenger, though they be their fathers, their sons, their brothers or their clan. Allah has inscribed iman upon such people´s hearts and will reinforce them with a Ruh from Him and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing under them, remaining in them timelessly, for ever. Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him. Such people are the party of Allah. Truly it is the party of Allah who are successful. (5822)

Ahh... You are back...
Mr Mahdi proclaim in public that you are Mahdi.. May be world not yet known that you are.. rotfl rotfl
Just deal with it...

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jkhan

Thoughts that do not become actions GOD does not hold us responsible for them. That means they are not being recorded.

Meditation/Dhikr ,private prayers ,in my opinion are recorded by our guardian angels through GOD s command. Only GOD knows our innermost thought and whispers

Hence Angels only know what they are recording from us.

They do not know what we hide inside our thinking or our intentions. unless they receibve GOD s command. That is my understanding ,this does not contradict Qoran which clearly tells us only GOD knows the ghaib, our thoughts and intentions..
GOD is in constant ongoing conversation/communication/issuing commands... with the Angels.
It cannot be that GOD knows what we do through the Angels it must be that the Angels know through GOD.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

For example I bringforth the following verse
2283 "And if you are on a journey and cannot find a scribe, then a security deposit taken. And if one of you entrusts another, then let him who is entrusted discharge his trust and let him fear Allah , his Lord. And do not conceal testimony, for whoever conceals it - his heart is indeed sinful, and Allah is Knowing of what you do."

What is your thought in this verse...
My view is... To hide a testimony you don't need to do any physical action... Just being silent is enough... Since he didn't do any action malaika doesn't record as per you... Is that correct... He concealed a testimony with intention that I was in his heart.. Do you see how God put the verse... His heart sinful... Is it required to be recorded or not ...in fact it should be recorded.. He avoided by not doing any action... Sinful heart concealed the testimony... In fact it is a big sin.. But no action literally...

That's my understanding... I don't know how others feels... Welcome your opinion... Coz before opening this topic I was not sure... But now I feel more towards that malaika knows everything about a person...

jkhan

For example I bringforth the following verse
2283 "And if you are on a journey and cannot find a scribe, then a security deposit taken. And if one of you entrusts another, then let him who is entrusted discharge his trust and let him fear Allah , his Lord. And do not conceal testimony, for whoever conceals it - his heart is indeed sinful, and Allah is Knowing of what you do."

What is your thought in this verse...
My view is... To hide a testimony you don't need to do any physical action... Just being silent is enough... Since he didn't do any action malaika doesn't record as per you... Is that correct... He concealed a testimony with intention that I was in his heart.. Do you see how God put the verse... His heart sinful... Is it required to be recorded or not ...in fact it should be recorded.. He avoided by not doing any action... Sinful heart concealed the testimony... In fact it is a big sin.. But no action literally...

That's my understanding... I don't know how others feels... Welcome your opinion... Coz before opening this topic I was not sure... But now I feel more towards that malaika knows everything about a person...

Or even this verse

3167 " ... saying with their mouths what was not in their hearts...."

I submitted part of the verse to emphasize with topic... But read full verse...

Here malaika can record something... Coz they utter something that may be pleasant and not harmful... But it is not in their hearts... So what will be in the record books? Something which is useless OR should that cover everything?

Impossible brother... Record book should depict the reality... Not external words... I don't think that's Enough...

jkhan

541 " O Messenger, let them not grieve you who hasten into disbelief of those who say, "We believe" with their mouths, but their hearts believe not .... "

In the above verse it must that Malaika assigned to Record what these people worded... If it remains as they worded and it is a proof that they believed... Coz they have spoken and that's what malaika recorded... But with what intent they uttered that they "believe"... That should be recorded at the same time... Coz mere words of a person won't tell the true story of him.. So noble writers should know what is in our hearts when we put them in words... Even we don't put them in words they deserve to know for better recording...

That's my understanding.... I respect others understanding as well... But I am happy with what God guides me with...

good_logic

We need to ask the following question
If GOD knows everything why do we need our life recorded and witnessed by Malaika? Is GOD not enough as a reckoner?

Then we will come to realise that it is for the purpose of providing the evidence needed on judgement day.so that everyone will play their own recorded tape of their life .
Of course GOD is enough as a reckoner but we will also be our own reckoner with the evidence provided.
Malaika are the tools , their job is to collect the evidence.

This renders what they know or do not know irrelevant as their own knowledge is not required with the evidence. So apart from our curiosity about the Malaika, what they know or do not know has no importance or effect or role on the job they do .
GOD bless.
Peace.

jkhan

That is nonsense....

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God will mock them and will increase their arrogance as they stray. (215)

Proof

You had no idea of what the Book was, nor Iman (4252)

No iman which a self professes will be of any use to it if it did not have iman before and earn good in its iman. (615

The Arabs say, ´We have iman.´ Say ´You do not have iman´ (4914)

I swear by your Lord that they will not be considered believers/muslims until they let you/364 judge their disputes and then they will find nothing in their souls to prevent them from accepting your judgment, thus, submitting themselves completely to the will of God (465)

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jkhan

We need to ask the following question
If GOD knows everything why do we need our life recorded and witnessed by Malaika? Is GOD not enough as a reckoner?

Then we will come to realise that it is for the purpose of providing the evidence needed on judgement day.so that everyone will play their own recorded tape of their life .
Of course GOD is enough as a reckoner but we will also be our own reckoner with the evidence provided.
Malaika are the tools , their job is to collect the evidence.

This renders what they know or do not know irrelevant as their own knowledge is not required with the evidence. So apart from our curiosity about the Malaika, what they know or do not know has no importance or effect or role on the job they do .
GOD bless.
Peace.

I wish if you bringforth verses of Quran rather than speak with preconceived thoughts... Coz QURAN does matter for all of us...
Yes... GL.. Malaika are imperative in God's Kingdom.. Though God can handle everything allalone, but God opted malaika in everything.... Almost everything... That may look funny for certain people but that's the truth... One would say like you claimed above, why God needs Guards in Hell... Is God fear that those in hell will escape?

without malaika God has not planned this kingdom... Even before He create human He was having a close dialog with malaika that everyone knows... Though malaika refused but still God proceeded...

If one underestimatw the vested power of malaika then it is Upto him.. For me malaika assigned to record knows about us everything.. That is to say... Our thoughts our movements our wording our hiding our actions withouy intent all.. Nothing they will leave apart.. They record everything then only it is complete...

Thank you... Let those who explore in this topic explore further to know truth... What is best than self perceived truth with guidance of God... Up to you people to decide...

jkhan

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I swear by your Lord that they will not be considered believers/muslims until they let you/364 judge their disputes and then they will find nothing in their souls to prevent them from accepting your judgment, thus, submitting themselves completely to the will of God (465)

They try to fool God and the believers, but they fool only themselves and do not even realize it. (29)

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Blind men and an elephant....

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good_logic

Peace Green Anarchism..
Here is a conversation between two people at GOD s

They will come to each other, and confer with one another.
One of them will say, "I used to have a friend.
"He used to mock Do you believe all this? " After we die and turn into dust and bones, do we get called to account?' "
He will say, "Just take a look!"
When he looks, he will see his friend in the heart of Hell.*
He (will go to him and) say, "By God, you almost ruined me.
"If it were not for my Lord's blessing, I would have been with you now.
"(Do you still believe) that we die,
"only the first death, and we never receive any requital?
"
Brother,
Redemption by each individual is for themselves only This should be the Greatest Triumph

Such is the greatest triumph.
This is what every one of us should work for.

Do you know where you will be then? Work for your redemption, I work for mine, brother jkhan will work for his like every other human will choose their own way. None of us is the other Wakeel, nor should we mock each other .

Malaika are recording us and will be witnessing . Let us see then what will be in store for us when it matters.
GOD bless you.
Peace

good_logic

Brother G A.

i thought I’d begin by reading your post, but then I thought, why should I? You never read any of mine..

When I will meet you brother,I will immediately start talking about global warming,it will be a real ice breaker.

I forgot to tell you I can also do magic.
When I drive my car I always turn into a road.
When I throw a melon in the water it turns to a water melon.
I make the ocean say hello. it waves. I light up a stadium with a soccer match.
I can create a word that start with E and ends with E but only has one letter in it. EnvelopE

However I cannot use "beef stew" as password because it is not "Straganof"! But I can make trees access the internet. They log in!
So you probably understand me better now?
Let s see if we get somewhere, you may read this one?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Iyyaka

Brother G A.

i thought I’d begin by reading your post, but then I thought, why should I? You never read any of mine..

When I will meet you brother,I will immediately start talking about global warming,it will be a real ice breaker.

I forgot to tell you I can also do magic.
When I drive my car I always turn into a road.
When I throw a melon in the water it turns to a water melon.
I make the ocean say hello. it waves. I light up a stadium with a soccer match.
I can create a word that start with E and ends with E but only has one letter in it. EnvelopE

However I cannot use "beef stew" as password because it is not "Straganof"! But I can make trees access the internet. They log in!
So you probably understand me better now?
Let s see if we get somewhere, you may read this one?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Salam Brother good logic,

My opinion you are wasting your time with this person.
Sectarian spirit with no way out (only God may help..).

God bless you.