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    jkhan
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    Peace brother jkhan

    odd, look at the ayat numbers 1636

    We have sent a messenger to every community, saying, "You shall worship GOD, and
    avoid idolatry." Subsequently, some were guided by GOD, while others were committed to straying.
    Roam the earth and note the consequences for the rejecters.

    It appears some were guided.

    Peace Hawk...

    Of course some are guided... Everytime on earth... But look at the verse u presented... A community may be guided with still disbelievers around...
    We can't say in present world a community is guided...

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      QUESTION NO 02...

      https//youtu.be/4of-PbRvdqo

      have watched this video?

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        good_logic
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        I have watched the video.

        My answer is

        • Gospel - injil- is the scripture given to Jesus. Is this the new testament? or the bible? Which books exactly from he bible is the original Gospel given to Jesus by GOD.i.e GOD s message/words?
        • GOD is saying to the Christians to judge by "what was revealed to Jesus-Injil-

        He must produce the Gospel sent to Jesus, then he will have a point.
        Do you think GOD does not know this, why is GOD saying this to us, the Jews and Christians then?

        O people of the scripture, our messenger has come to you to proclaim for you many things you have concealed in the scripture, and to pardon many other transgressions you have committed. A beacon has come to you from God, and a profound scripture.
        يٰأَهلَ الكِتٰبِ قَد جاءَكُم رَسولُنا يُبَيِّنُ لَكُم كَثيرًا مِمّا كُنتُم تُخفونَ مِنَ الكِتٰبِ وَيَعفوا عَن كَثيرٍ قَد جاءَكُم مِنَ اللَّهِ نورٌ وَكِتٰبٌ مُبينٌ

        Why is GOD confirming that the Quran is God's Message to the Jews and Christians?
        And telling everyone this?
        With it, God guides those who seek His approval. He guides them to the paths of peace, leads them out of darkness into the light by His leave, and guides them in a straight path.
        يَهدى بِهِ اللَّهُ مَنِ اتَّبَعَ رِضوٰنَهُ سُبُلَ السَّلٰمِ وَيُخرِجُهُم مِنَ الظُّلُمٰتِ إِلَى النّورِ بِإِذنِهِ وَيَهديهِم إِلىٰ صِرٰطٍ مُستَقيمٍ

        GOD does not mention the bible in Qoran. GOD is not saying to the Jews and Christians to judge by the bible. Just because the Christians use the bible as scripture ,it does not mean that it is the Torah and Gospel that GOD has revealed to Moses and Jesus.
        GOD is asking them to judge by HIS words only which were sent to them,and which they failed to uphold and protect themselves. They took this oath through their priests and clergies . GOD renewed the message through Jesus after Moses because the Jews failed to uphold the Torah, then renewed the message again to the whole world through the last prophet after Jesus.
        GOD only asks to judge with His words.. Then GOD took the responsibility of protecting the last scripture to all the coming generations.

        GOD is asking this from everyone
        We have sent down to you the scripture, truthfully, in order to judge among all the people in accordance with what God has shown you. You shall not side with the betrayers.
        إِنّا أَنزَلنا إِلَيكَ الكِتٰبَ بِالحَقِّ لِتَحكُمَ بَينَ النّاسِ بِما أَرىٰكَ اللَّهُ وَلا تَكُن لِلخائِنينَ خَصيمًا

        GOD knew His religion was going to be highjacked and His authority and words will be replaced by men s authority and men s words.
        My question to the guy in the video is this
        Where does the Qoran say to the Christian to judge by the bible ? Jesus did not bring the bible from GOD.
        GOD bless.
        Peace

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          jkhan
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          @gl.. I wish post your reply in his YouTube video... If you don't mind..

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            jkhan
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            QUESTION NO.. 03

            I miss all valuable geocentric Earth and flat earth videos from YouTube...
            Why can't we find any videos in this regard anymore... Are they tired of this... All nonsense are there in YouTube but why this topic is no more in YouTube... What a shame...

            I hope free-minds won't remove any of the topics which was discussed in this caption...

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              good_logic
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              Peace jkhan.

              I hope you also add this to it

              Why would he promise to change his false religion by another false one?
              He is saying that he will perform the Shahada live? Where is this religion in Qoran or Gospel or Torah?

              This is another man s invented religion with man s authority and man s words. Nothing to do with GOD s words/instructions/religion. i.e Traditional Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all false religions invented by man.
              GOD s religion -Total loyalty and submission To GOD Alone and to follow GOD s words only/ GOD s authority alone- is the only religion sent by GOD through all His messengers throughout man s history. GOD has never sent different religions to create different sects .
              This is a nonsense inconsistency. GOD is fair and consistent. Man and man s words are devious and divisive.

              Thank you.
              GOD bless you.
              Peace.

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                tlihawa
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                QUESTION NO.. 03

                I miss all valuable geocentric Earth and flat earth videos from YouTube...
                Why can't we find any videos in this regard anymore... Are they tired of this... All nonsense are there in YouTube but why this topic is no more in YouTube... What a shame...

                I hope free-minds won't remove any of the topics which was discussed in this caption...

                Did free-minds remove the topic of flat earth in the past?

                If so, then why you expect YouTube to maintain a fair search-algorithm about flat earth topic? Now all you can see is only what global elite want to see.

                But there are some that I find interesting, The Lost of History of Flat Earth by Erawanon. His channel had been banned several times, but I can still find his works in here,

                https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVVzz5-1tco

                I'm intrigued by his story about the unseen land. Since it might explain the following passage, talking about the end of times

                2 Esdras
                Chapter 7

                26 “For indeed the time will come, when the signs that I have foretold to you will come to pass, that the city that now is not seen shall appear, and the land that now is hidden shall be disclosed.

                Salam

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                  Peace tlihawa

                  I watched the video. It was intriguing and makes you wonder how much of the past is really hidden. That is an interesting biblical verse. Do you think there is a similar Quranic verse? Maybe it will indicate hidden lands? It kind of reminds me of the story of Dhul-Qarnayn.

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                    Peace tlihawa

                    I watched the video. It was intriguing and makes you wonder how much of the past is really hidden. That is an interesting biblical verse. Do you think there is a similar Quranic verse? Maybe it will indicate hidden lands? It kind of reminds me of the story of Dhul-Qarnayn.

                    Salam Sarah,
                    Yes, I'm thinking the same. Dhul-Qarnayn had unlimited access on earth,

                    1884 We had facilitated for him in the land, and We had given him the means to all things.

                    He had seen what we have not seen all this time.

                    But let me show you this verse, and the multiple meaning option

                    134
                    wafīl-arḍi = and in the earth
                    qiṭaʿun = a part cut off from a whole
                    mutajāwirātun = protected

                    qitaun

                    Qaf-Tay-Ayn = to cut/sever/disunite/separate/detach, to disable in prosecuting, unable to proceed in, withdrew, break down, perish/cease/finish/fail, cut short / stop, intercepted/interrupted, put an end/stop to, a piece/bit/part/portion cut off from a whole, herd, distinct portion.

                    mutajāwirātun

                    Jiim-Waw-Ra = To decline or deviate, act wrongfully or unjustly, to live near or close (to another), to protect, save or rescue, grant refuge.

                    You can see the context of the "protected" here used by Jim-Waw-Ra,

                    https//i.ibb.co/b6ymBsh/jim-waw-ra.png

                    It seems like the protected here means to prevent something from mixing to another.

                    So what do you think?

                    Also here is another video that you might find interesting if you have another five hours It's called What on earth happened

                    https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sLM4OMECPE

                    Peace

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                      QUESTION NO. 04....

                      Is there anything that God in fact didn't create in nature?

                      Was there anything that existed like God exists as infinity...
                      Does anyone feel, that if God exists forever that something else also should have existed... Allah says His Arsh was on water.. Does that mean water existed with God.. So does Arsh.. What about the space..
                      God says we called Sky when it was like smoke... So does this mean this sama in the shape of smoke existed...

                      Or is it better to think that nothing did exist but only Allah whatever He is... So space also didn't exist.. Did Allah create the earth and heavens only OR rest existed?

                      What is your understanding or we better not think of it..

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                        good_logic
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                        I think this way
                        GOD is no need of anything. Arsh is a dominion that is needed by the created.
                        If GOD did not exist, nothing would have existed.
                        First GOD existed,exist and will exist, then GOD is the cause/ the absolute source of everything else that existed/exist/will exist after that .
                        As far as GOD is concerned there is no "before during or after" GOD. GOD just always exist, all other creations either existed ,exist or will exist as GOD plans.
                        As far as we are concerned there is a "before ,now and after" because we are GOD s creation bound by time/predetermined existence. Remember a world with time and dates is also GOD s creation.
                        GOD s plan exist with Him always. GOD knows the past, present and future and knows what He does /creates.Everything that happened, happens or will happen is already with GOD.

                        GOD bless you.
                        Peace.

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                          jkhan
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                          I think this way
                          GOD is no need of anything. Arsh is a dominion that is needed by the created.
                          If GOD did not exist, nothing would have existed.
                          First GOD existed,exist and will exist, then GOD is the cause/ the absolute source of everything else that existed/exist/will exist after that .
                          As far as GOD is concerned there is no "before during or after" GOD. GOD just always exist, all other creations either existed ,exist or will exist as GOD plans.
                          As far as we are concerned there is a "before ,now and after" because we are GOD s creation bound by time/predetermined existence. Remember a world with time and dates is also GOD s creation.
                          GOD s plan exist with Him always. GOD knows the past, present and future and knows what He does /creates.Everything that happened, happens or will happen is already with GOD.

                          GOD bless you.
                          Peace.

                          Peace... Brother...

                          Thank you...

                          I think obviously it is a subject Ghaib.. No one will ever know until perhaps we meet our Lord...

                          But certain things what God has mentioned in Quran are really peculiar... He never said He created Arsh.. But claims He is the Owner of Great Arsh... Further says if gods other Him on earth or Heavens they would have fought for Arsh...
                          How can they fight for something that God created whole He has the power over it.. Further He says He is the Rabb (Lord) of Great Arsh...... It is a very interesting statement... God Himself satisfied and verified that there is nothing like Him... otherwise He would have faced opposition before all creation took place... God doesn't need to simply say this after creation and to those what people claim as gods.. How can they create and fight for the Arsh with God.... That's impossible and meaningless to state... So God realized He doesn't have equal where He lives and where He existed... He is absolute coz He found no equal ... Chapter ihlas is self proclamation after Himself verified...

                          I don't see creation... If God to exist then the place He exist should parallely should be there.. Coz God never said in Quran He has No beginning... He said He is First and Last... That's totally different to saying He has No beginning...

                          For me God has physic as per what He has explained in Quran.. Coz in the day of ressurection we see Him and He DECEND with malaika.. Those are clean verses... If God has physic, then there is a place for the physic to exist.. That must not be created by the one who is the First... Earth and heavens didbt exist as it is now... But created.. That is by God... But He never claims as absolute God that He created anything other than Earth and Heavens... If He doesn't claim.. He is not responsible what already exist with Him.. Let it be Ghaib.. I only spoke what is written in Quran... Coz He said His Arsh was on water... Where was it before water was created... Or water was there in empty space... And then God realized nothing like Him in the entire space... So started creating.... Afyer all created.. His Arsh not on water.. Coz some creatures I don't know whether they are malaika but some creatures are lifting His Arsh... And also some floating praising Him... It is never said malaika..

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                            good_logic
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                            Peace jkhan.
                            If you say this,quote

                            "...If God has physic, then there is a place for the physic to exist.. That must not be created by the one who is the First... Earth and heavens didbt exist as it is now... But created.. That is by God... But He never claims as absolute God that He created anything other than Earth and Heavens... If He doesn't claim.. He is not responsible what already exist with Him.. Let it be Ghaib.. I only spoke what is written in Quran... Coz He said His Arsh was on water... "

                            Then, you are restricting GOD to something that cannot be everywhere. If GOD is omnipotent and omnipresent, then first He exists everywhere. No limits.

                            What you talk about is GOD s manifestation in some specific place ,like to Moses or to millions of others or to different creations in different dimensions or.. where ever...
                            The mind cannot comprehend GOD. The nearest example to GOD that us humans can think of is an invisible spectrum of " intellectual being as/with special light/energy" that exist everywhere and chooses to spark/manifest itself in any form it wishes in some visible locations to the creation .
                            GOD does not need a place or Arsh or anything for His existence. All that exist besides GOD Alone are His creations and creations needs.
                            GOD bless you.
                            Peace.

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                              jkhan
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                              Peace jkhan.
                              If you say this,quote

                              "...If God has physic, then there is a place for the physic to exist.. That must not be created by the one who is the First... Earth and heavens didbt exist as it is now... But created.. That is by God... But He never claims as absolute God that He created anything other than Earth and Heavens... If He doesn't claim.. He is not responsible what already exist with Him.. Let it be Ghaib.. I only spoke what is written in Quran... Coz He said His Arsh was on water... "

                              Then, you are restricting GOD to something that cannot be everywhere. If GOD is omnipotent and omnipresent, then first He exists everywhere. No limits.

                              What you talk about is GOD s manifestation in some specific place ,like to Moses or to millions of others or to different creations in different dimensions or.. where ever...
                              The mind cannot comprehend GOD. The nearest example to GOD that us humans can think of is an invisible spectrum of " intellectual being as/with special light/energy" that exist everywhere and chooses to spark/manifest itself in any form it wishes in some visible locations to the creation .
                              GOD does not need a place or Arsh or anything for His existence. All that exist besides GOD Alone are His creations and creations needs.
                              GOD bless you.
                              Peace.

                              Peace lovely brother...

                              May Allah save both of us and everyone of those who believe in Him uttering from a word that doest befit for Him.. May Allah forgive us if we do so..

                              But on the basis of "let's question everything" let us ponder within Quran..

                              May I know what is omnipresent according to Quran.. Word usage please...? God is watching us and listening to us and He knows everything that is happening and are to happen.. He knows what is ascending from Earth or what is decendig from heavens... In a nutshell everything... But God has a place... Don't refute it... His Arsh is held by some creatures and it seems incredibly far away from reach.. Even Gibreal has not been there up until a day angels and jibreal ascend which would take 50k years... Then who are those already with God floating and holding the throne/arsh.. Do you think it is not the place of God... Then it is erroneous brother... 50k years to reach where? If no place... Ponder..
                              He is the Lord of Great Arsh.. Owner of the Noble Arsh. These are Gods specific statements.. .
                              So this Arsh befits for the Lord of Aalamin.. He is the Watcher.. He doesn't sleep nor He gets tired.. He is constantly watching everything and handling everything from His Arsh..
                              How can you say that Arsh is not required for God.. While He claims that He is the Lord of Great Arsh.. That's a hefty statement from Allah.. It is really convincing..

                              1742 " Say, "If there had been with Him gods, as they say, then they would have sought to the Owner of the Throne a way."

                              There are many verses similar to the above.. But I chose this one.. Read carefully.. None of the human made gods or Jins etc can never seek a way to the Arsh.. Coz no one is allowed beyond the extreme heaven... And no one can go either.. Whoever beyond extreme heaven is only surrendering to God's command willingly.. So all Gods creatures.. But God says they would have sought a way to the Arsh /throne.. How can they do? Unless if there were god or gods equal to the God... That God has confirmed Himself as a declaration of truth in chapter 112.. He knew that there was no equal to Him who can grab the Arsh from Him... So this statement of the Lord of Great Throne belongs solely to Him.. It is not something we human or Jin claims.. We say Lord of Aalamin.. Etc etc... Coz we refer the creation... Further.. If any god or gods can grab Arsh from true owner of Arsh it means it is a physical object.. Not mere power.. As well He states that these gods would have ruined the earth and heavens... Why... Coz the God and those gods would have fought for the Arsh for sure.. But all these are blasphemy.. Coz God confirms the ghaib/unseen in chapter 112 that there is nothing equal to Him.. Coz that's His comprehensive statement and not others like as they say... Thus He assures that He is the First and Last... So no worries of any other gods of similar nature in space .. Coz God has verified it... Had there been they would have created a way to approach the Throne...
                              Is Arsh and seven heavens same.. I don't think so... Coz Allah says when the trumpet is blown everyone on earth and heavens go unconcious except God will... But these creatures who are floating and those who holding the Arsh are not in heavens ... That's far away.. Even those who are in heavens to reach there it takes 50k years including jibreal/Ruh.. Such is God.. And He is not omnipresent on this earth... For such God, the Arsh is imperative and He is the Owner solo.. How can someone deliberately state that God doesn't need a place or Arsh for His existence... while it is His identity.. Coz He claims He is the Lord of Arsh the great... Suppose Even nothing is there I mean earth or heavens or angels (while everything is zero / nothing to mention) but He is there in His Arsh.. That's His property with Him forever.. Owner.. He is the last ... That's for sure... Coz He claims He is first and last... To be last no creature should remain.. But Him..

                              If God has Physic space should be there.. He befits where He befits... That's why Musa's request of manifesting God is discarded coz God doesn't befit to earth... Earth befit to His fist...

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                                good_logic
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                                GOD owns everything that exist but GOD is in no need of anything.

                                GOD is the only rightful owner of all His creations.

                                Our human thinking is fallible and we "humanise" GOD and expect our limited knowledge to grasp the concept of His Majesty ,our Lord.

                                Impossible brother. GOD is beyond our capacity to imagine Him in physicality ,appearance or presence in this life.

                                We will have to accept that we cannot comprehend or picture the physicality of GOD . GOD did not describe Himself -What He looks like- to us.
                                We will have to wait for the promised meeting .
                                GOD bless you.
                                Peace.

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                                  Peace,

                                  Again, it is called the "unseen" for a reason. Allah gives us his attributes in Quran.
                                  We can only guess what's behind the veil. 37

                                  peace

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                                    jkhan
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                                    Peace,

                                    Again, it is called the "unseen" for a reason. Allah gives us his attributes in Quran.
                                    We can only guess what's behind the veil. 37

                                    peace

                                    Salam both GL and hawk...

                                    Yes perhaps... It is a subject we shouldn't dig deep.. For sure Ghaib unseen but unseen and declared manifest by chapter 112 ... He is not begotten not begets... Unseen but manifested... None is equal to him... Unseen but manifested...
                                    Perhaps... Let's not talk about it... Coz we can't conclude... handshake hail

                                    Thank you everyone...

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                                      QUESTION NO. 05

                                      This person has some wonderful researches... Worth watching.. Have you watched his videos before?

                                      https//youtu.be/bW-pbywzyvM

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                                        QUESTION NO 06

                                        https//youtu.be/LzKkvqklINw

                                        Ibrahim's name is written in different way as well.. This video sometimes help why it was written different ? Would it?

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                                          QUESTION NO. 05

                                          This person has some wonderful researches... Worth watching.. Have you watched his videos before?

                                          https//youtu.be/bW-pbywzyvM

                                          1030 بسم in name الله the god الرحمن the almighty الرحىم the merciful
                                          1031 والعصر and (by) the epoch
                                          1032 ان indeed الانسن the humankind لفى surely in خسر loss
                                          1033 الا except الذىن the ones امنوا believes they of وعملوا and work they of الصلحت the righteous وتوصوا and exhort they of بالحق in the truth وتوصوا and exhort they of بالصبر in the patience

                                          Peace, all such numerology is inconsistent and predictable – try other short chapters.

                                          Arabic word in Qur'an ~4.22 letters
                                          Letters / verses (approximations) 328,272 / 77,881 x 7 = 29.5

                                          High probability chapters with 7 verses to get 29 30 31

                                          3 11 بسم bismi/in name
                                          5 12 الحمد al-hamdu/the praise
                                          6 13 الرحمن al-rahmani/the almighty
                                          3 14 ملك maliki/sovereign
                                          4 15 اىاك iyyaka/that you
                                          5 16 اهدنا ihdina/guides us
                                          3 17 صرط sirata/path

                                          29 total

                                          4 11 الله l-lahi/the god
                                          3 12 لله lillahi/to god
                                          6 13 الرحىم l-rahimi/the merciful
                                          3 14 ىوم yawmi/day
                                          4 15 نعبد nabudu/we devote
                                          5 16 الصرط l-sirata/the path
                                          5 17 الذىن alladhina/the ones

                                          30 total

                                          6 11 الرحمن l-rahmani/the almighty
                                          2 12 رب rabbi/lord
                                          0 13
                                          5 14 الدىن l-dini/the last
                                          5 15 واىاك wa-iyyaka/and that you
                                          8 16 المستقىم l-mustaqima/the straight
                                          5 17 انعمت anamta/favors thou

                                          31 total

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