MISCELLANEOUS...... ..

good_logic

I think this way
GOD is no need of anything. Arsh is a dominion that is needed by the created.
If GOD did not exist, nothing would have existed.
First GOD existed,exist and will exist, then GOD is the cause/ the absolute source of everything else that existed/exist/will exist after that .
As far as GOD is concerned there is no "before during or after" GOD. GOD just always exist, all other creations either existed ,exist or will exist as GOD plans.
As far as we are concerned there is a "before ,now and after" because we are GOD s creation bound by time/predetermined existence. Remember a world with time and dates is also GOD s creation.
GOD s plan exist with Him always. GOD knows the past, present and future and knows what He does /creates.Everything that happened, happens or will happen is already with GOD.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

jkhan

I think this way
GOD is no need of anything. Arsh is a dominion that is needed by the created.
If GOD did not exist, nothing would have existed.
First GOD existed,exist and will exist, then GOD is the cause/ the absolute source of everything else that existed/exist/will exist after that .
As far as GOD is concerned there is no "before during or after" GOD. GOD just always exist, all other creations either existed ,exist or will exist as GOD plans.
As far as we are concerned there is a "before ,now and after" because we are GOD s creation bound by time/predetermined existence. Remember a world with time and dates is also GOD s creation.
GOD s plan exist with Him always. GOD knows the past, present and future and knows what He does /creates.Everything that happened, happens or will happen is already with GOD.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace... Brother...

Thank you...

I think obviously it is a subject Ghaib.. No one will ever know until perhaps we meet our Lord...

But certain things what God has mentioned in Quran are really peculiar... He never said He created Arsh.. But claims He is the Owner of Great Arsh... Further says if gods other Him on earth or Heavens they would have fought for Arsh...
How can they fight for something that God created whole He has the power over it.. Further He says He is the Rabb (Lord) of Great Arsh...... It is a very interesting statement... God Himself satisfied and verified that there is nothing like Him... otherwise He would have faced opposition before all creation took place... God doesn't need to simply say this after creation and to those what people claim as gods.. How can they create and fight for the Arsh with God.... That's impossible and meaningless to state... So God realized He doesn't have equal where He lives and where He existed... He is absolute coz He found no equal ... Chapter ihlas is self proclamation after Himself verified...

I don't see creation... If God to exist then the place He exist should parallely should be there.. Coz God never said in Quran He has No beginning... He said He is First and Last... That's totally different to saying He has No beginning...

For me God has physic as per what He has explained in Quran.. Coz in the day of ressurection we see Him and He DECEND with malaika.. Those are clean verses... If God has physic, then there is a place for the physic to exist.. That must not be created by the one who is the First... Earth and heavens didbt exist as it is now... But created.. That is by God... But He never claims as absolute God that He created anything other than Earth and Heavens... If He doesn't claim.. He is not responsible what already exist with Him.. Let it be Ghaib.. I only spoke what is written in Quran... Coz He said His Arsh was on water... Where was it before water was created... Or water was there in empty space... And then God realized nothing like Him in the entire space... So started creating.... Afyer all created.. His Arsh not on water.. Coz some creatures I don't know whether they are malaika but some creatures are lifting His Arsh... And also some floating praising Him... It is never said malaika..

good_logic

Peace jkhan.
If you say this,quote

"...If God has physic, then there is a place for the physic to exist.. That must not be created by the one who is the First... Earth and heavens didbt exist as it is now... But created.. That is by God... But He never claims as absolute God that He created anything other than Earth and Heavens... If He doesn't claim.. He is not responsible what already exist with Him.. Let it be Ghaib.. I only spoke what is written in Quran... Coz He said His Arsh was on water... "

Then, you are restricting GOD to something that cannot be everywhere. If GOD is omnipotent and omnipresent, then first He exists everywhere. No limits.

What you talk about is GOD s manifestation in some specific place ,like to Moses or to millions of others or to different creations in different dimensions or.. where ever...
The mind cannot comprehend GOD. The nearest example to GOD that us humans can think of is an invisible spectrum of " intellectual being as/with special light/energy" that exist everywhere and chooses to spark/manifest itself in any form it wishes in some visible locations to the creation .
GOD does not need a place or Arsh or anything for His existence. All that exist besides GOD Alone are His creations and creations needs.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

jkhan

Peace jkhan.
If you say this,quote

"...If God has physic, then there is a place for the physic to exist.. That must not be created by the one who is the First... Earth and heavens didbt exist as it is now... But created.. That is by God... But He never claims as absolute God that He created anything other than Earth and Heavens... If He doesn't claim.. He is not responsible what already exist with Him.. Let it be Ghaib.. I only spoke what is written in Quran... Coz He said His Arsh was on water... "

Then, you are restricting GOD to something that cannot be everywhere. If GOD is omnipotent and omnipresent, then first He exists everywhere. No limits.

What you talk about is GOD s manifestation in some specific place ,like to Moses or to millions of others or to different creations in different dimensions or.. where ever...
The mind cannot comprehend GOD. The nearest example to GOD that us humans can think of is an invisible spectrum of " intellectual being as/with special light/energy" that exist everywhere and chooses to spark/manifest itself in any form it wishes in some visible locations to the creation .
GOD does not need a place or Arsh or anything for His existence. All that exist besides GOD Alone are His creations and creations needs.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace lovely brother...

May Allah save both of us and everyone of those who believe in Him uttering from a word that doest befit for Him.. May Allah forgive us if we do so..

But on the basis of "let's question everything" let us ponder within Quran..

May I know what is omnipresent according to Quran.. Word usage please...? God is watching us and listening to us and He knows everything that is happening and are to happen.. He knows what is ascending from Earth or what is decendig from heavens... In a nutshell everything... But God has a place... Don't refute it... His Arsh is held by some creatures and it seems incredibly far away from reach.. Even Gibreal has not been there up until a day angels and jibreal ascend which would take 50k years... Then who are those already with God floating and holding the throne/arsh.. Do you think it is not the place of God... Then it is erroneous brother... 50k years to reach where? If no place... Ponder..
He is the Lord of Great Arsh.. Owner of the Noble Arsh. These are Gods specific statements.. .
So this Arsh befits for the Lord of Aalamin.. He is the Watcher.. He doesn't sleep nor He gets tired.. He is constantly watching everything and handling everything from His Arsh..
How can you say that Arsh is not required for God.. While He claims that He is the Lord of Great Arsh.. That's a hefty statement from Allah.. It is really convincing..

1742 " Say, "If there had been with Him gods, as they say, then they would have sought to the Owner of the Throne a way."

There are many verses similar to the above.. But I chose this one.. Read carefully.. None of the human made gods or Jins etc can never seek a way to the Arsh.. Coz no one is allowed beyond the extreme heaven... And no one can go either.. Whoever beyond extreme heaven is only surrendering to God's command willingly.. So all Gods creatures.. But God says they would have sought a way to the Arsh /throne.. How can they do? Unless if there were god or gods equal to the God... That God has confirmed Himself as a declaration of truth in chapter 112.. He knew that there was no equal to Him who can grab the Arsh from Him... So this statement of the Lord of Great Throne belongs solely to Him.. It is not something we human or Jin claims.. We say Lord of Aalamin.. Etc etc... Coz we refer the creation... Further.. If any god or gods can grab Arsh from true owner of Arsh it means it is a physical object.. Not mere power.. As well He states that these gods would have ruined the earth and heavens... Why... Coz the God and those gods would have fought for the Arsh for sure.. But all these are blasphemy.. Coz God confirms the ghaib/unseen in chapter 112 that there is nothing equal to Him.. Coz that's His comprehensive statement and not others like as they say... Thus He assures that He is the First and Last... So no worries of any other gods of similar nature in space .. Coz God has verified it... Had there been they would have created a way to approach the Throne...
Is Arsh and seven heavens same.. I don't think so... Coz Allah says when the trumpet is blown everyone on earth and heavens go unconcious except God will... But these creatures who are floating and those who holding the Arsh are not in heavens ... That's far away.. Even those who are in heavens to reach there it takes 50k years including jibreal/Ruh.. Such is God.. And He is not omnipresent on this earth... For such God, the Arsh is imperative and He is the Owner solo.. How can someone deliberately state that God doesn't need a place or Arsh for His existence... while it is His identity.. Coz He claims He is the Lord of Arsh the great... Suppose Even nothing is there I mean earth or heavens or angels (while everything is zero / nothing to mention) but He is there in His Arsh.. That's His property with Him forever.. Owner.. He is the last ... That's for sure... Coz He claims He is first and last... To be last no creature should remain.. But Him..

If God has Physic space should be there.. He befits where He befits... That's why Musa's request of manifesting God is discarded coz God doesn't befit to earth... Earth befit to His fist...

good_logic

GOD owns everything that exist but GOD is in no need of anything.

GOD is the only rightful owner of all His creations.

Our human thinking is fallible and we "humanise" GOD and expect our limited knowledge to grasp the concept of His Majesty ,our Lord.

Impossible brother. GOD is beyond our capacity to imagine Him in physicality ,appearance or presence in this life.

We will have to accept that we cannot comprehend or picture the physicality of GOD . GOD did not describe Himself -What He looks like- to us.
We will have to wait for the promised meeting .
GOD bless you.
Peace.

hawk99

Peace,

Again, it is called the "unseen" for a reason. Allah gives us his attributes in Quran.
We can only guess what's behind the veil. 37

peace

jkhan

Peace,

Again, it is called the "unseen" for a reason. Allah gives us his attributes in Quran.
We can only guess what's behind the veil. 37

peace

Salam both GL and hawk...

Yes perhaps... It is a subject we shouldn't dig deep.. For sure Ghaib unseen but unseen and declared manifest by chapter 112 ... He is not begotten not begets... Unseen but manifested... None is equal to him... Unseen but manifested...
Perhaps... Let's not talk about it... Coz we can't conclude... handshake hail

Thank you everyone...

jkhan

QUESTION NO. 05

This person has some wonderful researches... Worth watching.. Have you watched his videos before?

https//youtu.be/bW-pbywzyvM

jkhan

QUESTION NO 06

https//youtu.be/LzKkvqklINw

Ibrahim's name is written in different way as well.. This video sometimes help why it was written different ? Would it?

Noon_waalqalami

QUESTION NO. 05

This person has some wonderful researches... Worth watching.. Have you watched his videos before?

https//youtu.be/bW-pbywzyvM

1030 بسم in name الله the god الرحمن the almighty الرحىم the merciful
1031 والعصر and (by) the epoch
1032 ان indeed الانسن the humankind لفى surely in خسر loss
1033 الا except الذىن the ones امنوا believes they of وعملوا and work they of الصلحت the righteous وتوصوا and exhort they of بالحق in the truth وتوصوا and exhort they of بالصبر in the patience

Peace, all such numerology is inconsistent and predictable – try other short chapters.

Arabic word in Qur'an ~4.22 letters
Letters / verses (approximations) 328,272 / 77,881 x 7 = 29.5

High probability chapters with 7 verses to get 29 30 31

3 11 بسم bismi/in name
5 12 الحمد al-hamdu/the praise
6 13 الرحمن al-rahmani/the almighty
3 14 ملك maliki/sovereign
4 15 اىاك iyyaka/that you
5 16 اهدنا ihdina/guides us
3 17 صرط sirata/path

29 total

4 11 الله l-lahi/the god
3 12 لله lillahi/to god
6 13 الرحىم l-rahimi/the merciful
3 14 ىوم yawmi/day
4 15 نعبد nabudu/we devote
5 16 الصرط l-sirata/the path
5 17 الذىن alladhina/the ones

30 total

6 11 الرحمن l-rahmani/the almighty
2 12 رب rabbi/lord
0 13
5 14 الدىن l-dini/the last
5 15 واىاك wa-iyyaka/and that you
8 16 المستقىم l-mustaqima/the straight
5 17 انعمت anamta/favors thou

31 total

good_logic

The arrangement of Qoran cannot have been done by other than GOD. Impossible. GOD counted every letter ,word, verse and chapter and placed them.
The mathematical arrangement cannot be coincidence. I can add to your examples
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktYm_gtyjmc

This is the tip of the iceberg.
Thanks for the thread.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Noon_waalqalami

I can add to your examples
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktYm_gtyjmc

1080 بسم in name الله the god الرحمن the almighty الرحىم the merciful
1081 انا indeed we اعطىنك gives we you الكوثر the abundance
1082 فصل so set out لربك to lord your وانحر and sacrifice
1083 ان indeed شانىك hater your هو he الابتر the tail-less (cut off)

https//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=77301

peace, how many chapters "consistently" have that same pattern?

scroll 219 min in video 12 alif with bsm or 9 alif (no bsm) not 10!

good_logic

Peace Noon.

You do not agree with one, quote
"scroll 219 min in video 12 alif with bsm or 9 alif (no bsm) not 10!£

Therefore all the rest are coincidence?

You do not like the numbering of Qoran? You will stop at nothing-0- to avoid them!!
No matter what fits. It means nothing-0- to you.
Well 100% of those that are true fit, the rest do not count.Or do you get 0% do not fit?
You just want to put people in their place because you hate numbers.
GOD just put the letters in Qoran in their right place numbered.
To you number 19 and number 20 got in a fight and 21.
You find a lot of negative numbers issues but it does not add up.

Me I know why 7 ate 9? Because he needs 3 squared meals a day.
Me I do tricks with numbers. I can make seven even. I take the "s" away!
No worries brother. If It is all silly patterns to you. Then what does it mean ? Nothing-0-.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

jkhan

1030 بسم in name الله the god الرحمن the almighty الرحىم the merciful
1031 والعصر and (by) the epoch
1032 ان indeed الانسن the humankind لفى surely in خسر loss
1033 الا except الذىن the ones امنوا believes they of وعملوا and work they of الصلحت the righteous وتوصوا and exhort they of بالحق in the truth وتوصوا and exhort they of بالصبر in the patience

Peace, all such numerology is inconsistent and predictable – try other short chapters.

Arabic word in Qur'an ~4.22 letters
Letters / verses (approximations) 328,272 / 77,881 x 7 = 29.5

High probability chapters with 7 verses to get 29 30 31

3 11 بسم bismi/in name
5 12 الحمد al-hamdu/the praise
6 13 الرحمن al-rahmani/the almighty
3 14 ملك maliki/sovereign
4 15 اىاك iyyaka/that you
5 16 اهدنا ihdina/guides us
3 17 صرط sirata/path

29 total

4 11 الله l-lahi/the god
3 12 لله lillahi/to god
6 13 الرحىم l-rahimi/the merciful
3 14 ىوم yawmi/day
4 15 نعبد nabudu/we devote
5 16 الصرط l-sirata/the path
5 17 الذىن alladhina/the ones

30 total

6 11 الرحمن l-rahmani/the almighty
2 12 رب rabbi/lord
0 13
5 14 الدىن l-dini/the last
5 15 واىاك wa-iyyaka/and that you
8 16 المستقىم l-mustaqima/the straight
5 17 انعمت anamta/favors thou

31 total

Peace..
I understand your stance when it comes to numerical pattern in quran not only 19 but all other phenomena..
It is your choice.. But one thing I don't understand is how come all these researches are coincidence while you believe in the same book (in fact if you do. Lets hope you do).. Do you have something that didn't digest to you somewhere from the inception.. Lol

Can you bring me any religious book or any other book which went through to this much extent to explore numerical pattern... Coincidence can happen here and there... But glaring evidences.. How one intellectually declines it saying nothing but coincidence.. I wish this much coincidences happen in my life..

If you are somewhat agaisnt the one who disclosed initially about number 19 and what is written in chapter 74 then why discard all the rest..
When I saw chromosomes pattern of animals or birds I was astonished.. Not coz I am prejudiced, but I can't go against my natural instinct after reasoning it..

Anyway.. It won't make any of your belief go in vain.. Coz as believers we believe in God and whatever He ordered us to believe and we are trying our level best to do good and be righteous... That's what important...

But your evidence against numerical pattern in quran is so fragile.. It is in vain.. Why you are working hard to prove that there is no numerical pattern in quran.. While our faith in God kept increasing while looking at these patterns.. Don't you like believers increase their faith in God..nonsensical magics can't augment one's faith save truth...

Keep trying though.. Lets see what else is hidden in this Quran..
No grudges.. Okay bro.. We all believe in same God.. group

Noon_waalqalami

You do not agree with one, quote
"scroll 219 min in video 12 alif with bsm or 9 alif (no bsm) not 10!£

Therefore all the rest are coincidence?

You do not like the numbering of Qoran? You will stop at nothing-0- to avoid them!!

peace, not avoiding anything only showing it is irrelevant and inconsistent with other chapters; simple one offs and not "coincidence" when people go through numerous trials hiding failures only posting 1/19 or 31 and 10 etc., in colors.

I understand your stance when it comes to numerical pattern in quran not only 19 but all other phenomena..

peace, no phenomena what's posted simpleton numerology, done with most any text.

likewise anything based on verse chapters is failure since those are all over the place.

old manuscripts initials not counted separate, different counts, even flipped chapters.

21 31 291 301 311 321 الم alif lam meem (together with next verse in old manuscripts)
71 المص alif lam meem saad ( ...)
191 كهىعص kaaf ha ya ain saad (...)
201 طه ta ha (...)
261 281 طسم ta seen meem (...)
361 ىس ya seen (...)
401 411 421 431 441 451 461 حم ha meem (...)
422 عسق ayn seen qaf (...)

no issues chapter/verses was only for quick reference and error checking etc.

again no pattern only meaningless stuff posted by novices clueless on basics.

they are embarrassing should focus on reading instead of flipping numbers.

jkhan