How do ever know the truth
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Dears,
I have a question for every one. We know by our exeprience and observations facts about this life and everything around us. We read from history and also from religious books. We tend to make some sense of all these in general and in personal terms. However do we ever know the Real Truth about this life?
The more I try to bring logic into the life, the more am disappointed by the opposite events which tends to defy the logic, to the point that there is no logic in this world, everything here happens for reasons beyong our imagination, yet we tend to label a reason for everything that happened. In short, we can go on and shout or pray silent, God may listen or may not listen, does not matter, what is going to happen will happen anyway. So the point is, everything is happening beyong our grasp, yet it is beautifully terms as free will and we reconcile ourselves into beleiving that there is some sort of an order or logic into this world, yet the game is on, generations after generations come in, same stories being repeted, similar of different faces and life goes on.
The more I dig deep into religion or philosophy, the more I am lost... why?
Cheers
Yes we will know truth if we dig deep without prejudiced mindset... Fresh from all beliefs..
But unless you search for God you will never know the truth... God is the ultimate truth.. Beyond that nothing is true..
Yes.. We all know in general that exploration is tough.. But without exploration truth is will never be manifested..
It takes time for sure.. Coz truth get exposed gradually... If there is truth then there is falsehood as well.. This falsehood always cover the truth.. Do unearthing or unveiling them is painstakingly time consuming process... So we need patience..What would you do if you lose your only car... First disappointment.. Then first step.. And the process goes on.. Until you know the truth as to what happened to the car.. In everything this lengthy process is part and parcel...
Finding the truth of life is not an easy task... It may end futile.. Unless God wills..
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I see two things happening in our life
1- Our daily tasks/jobs that we have to carry out.
2- our beliefs,traditions,relationships that we conduct.
Do we find the truth in what we do in everything? Or just in 2?I also see a connection between 1 and 2 with our attitudes..
Before we even grow up, we need to learn the basics of how to do our tasks and how to develop our mind. These are strong factors in seeking the "truth" about both.
So I would make a list of things required for our journey to seek this truth/s
1- knowledge.
2- curiosity.
3-need
4-motivation.
5-confidence.
-6-health.
7- effort
... you may add some of your own.Add to that our background ,diversity and traditions that we diverse humans learn from childhood . For example
Everyone has beliefs. The beliefs may be different from our own, but that may not make those people wrong, and those people may not be bad for having those beliefs. It just makes them different.
So If the individuals aren’t interfering in the lives of others, and if the beliefs aren’t leading to hurtful or unlawful actions, then we need to respect these people.This in itself is one truth that we must acquire to continue on our journey. This journey then must take one single aim
To make one a better human. Better in works, morals and social.
This is a second truth that we must acquire next to challenge our own mind to improve our sincerity, honesty and character towards ourselves and others.Then we need to carry on the journey by searching deep inside us to find our spiritual purpose and connect with our Maker.This is in our instinct.
Of course these truths may not be in order nevertheless, they are all fundamental to our balance in our journey towards whatever the main "truth" is.
To me, the most important truth is to "straiten" ourselves , our conduct and our relationships with others . Without that, our ego will divert many truths from us.
GOD bless you all.
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No brother .
I am talking "Straight path".Guide us in the right path;
اهدِنَا الصِّرٰطَ المُستَقيمَ
So that we should not mix truth with falsehood nor conceal the truth knowingly.Do not misread. Do not take shots in the dark and certainly do not assume if you are not sure.
Ask for clarifications so that you are free from blame and guess work about others.
GOD bless you.
Peace. -
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I will tell you this brother;
I know for sure that if GOD willed an adversity/ for me ,no one can relieve such adversity from me. And if GOD willed a blessing for me,no one can prevent such blessing reaching me. I trust GOD and trust in GOD completely.And I will tell you something else
You do your best, I do my best and let everyone else do their best. We will all find out our outcome later at GOD.Then finally I tell this last
Our Lord,the creator of everything the knower of all our secrets, and declarations, will judge among us regarding our disputes/disagreements... GOD is the sole judge of His servants.
We will all know for sure who is who brother. I am not even sure myself of what I will end up.
I hope to succeed and I hope you will succeed.
May the Lord bless you.
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Dears,
I have a question for every one. We know by our exeprience and observations facts about this life and everything around us. We read from history and also from religious books. We tend to make some sense of all these in general and in personal terms. However do we ever know the Real Truth about this life?
Salam,
In my opinion, there is no truth (nor lie) about this life.
Truth is only a human-crafted concept, that has no underlying in the life.
In this life, there are only events, happening randomly, and that can (not must) be related each others by causality.Some physical constraints determine events to statistically happen more frequently here than there, thus creating a kind of illusion of logic, but there is not more than that.
The more I dig deep into religion or philosophy, the more I am lost... why?
Because those who invented religions or philosophy had the same problem as you and couldn't come to terms with the fact that our reality is made of random events, causally or not causally related.
Moreover they did not possess the tools and physical theories that we have today and that teach us that our reality is made of events happening randomly according to some statistical laws, sometimes causally related, sometimes not. -
I can only tell you what I prefer to be. An utmost hanif to GOD Alone.
But as humans we are pulled in two different directions. The tug of war goes on until our last breath.
So the truth is I do not know for sure how it will end. I need all the help I can get from my Lord.
Those who think they know for sure today,they certainly cannot know for certain the future.
So even If you think/assume I am humanist,I may not end up as such. You cannot know.So I am trying my best to do my best.
GOD bless you.
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You never know how true is your argument until..... rotfl
So may I know how your argument mix-up these two moralities?
Stop smoking the carpet, it is not good for your health.
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Peace Green Anarchism
You not only misread most here, including me , but you also misread Qoran or rather you read it differently than I do.
So I have a couple of questions for youWho authored Qoran? (I am hoping you give me evidence-either way-.)
Why do you follow this authority/author?
Or don t you?GOD bless you.
Peace. -
Dears,
I have a question for every one. We know by our exeprience and observations facts about this life and everything around us. We read from history and also from religious books. We tend to make some sense of all these in general and in personal terms. However do we ever know the Real Truth about this life?
The more I try to bring logic into the life, the more am disappointed by the opposite events which tends to defy the logic, to the point that there is no logic in this world, everything here happens for reasons beyong our imagination, yet we tend to label a reason for everything that happened. In short, we can go on and shout or pray silent, God may listen or may not listen, does not matter, what is going to happen will happen anyway. So the point is, everything is happening beyong our grasp, yet it is beautifully terms as free will and we reconcile ourselves into beleiving that there is some sort of an order or logic into this world, yet the game is on, generations after generations come in, same stories being repeted, similar of different faces and life goes on.
The more I dig deep into religion or philosophy, the more I am lost... why?
Cheers
Yes I think you are right, and thats the truth, we simply are powerless individually, we rely on nature, we rely on others, so we be humble, contribute what we can and thankful for what we got.
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Salam Fusion,
However do we ever know the Real Truth about this life?
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The more I dig deep into religion or philosophy, the more I am lost... why?Cheers
Just try reading the Quran independently. There's a lot of verses that are muhkamat, which we can immediately put into practice, such as doing good, feeding the orphans and poor people, giving them clothes and money that you love, preventing crime, no corruption, not cheating in business, not cheating in your marriage, and so on
God explains about himself in the simple way without the need for a lot of philosophical theories and complicated thoughts, for example,
4137 And from among His signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not prostrate to the sun, nor the moon; you shall prostrate to God who has created them, if it is truly Him you serve.
Whoever worships the God who created the Sun and the Moon, then we worship the same God. Whatever name people gave him.
Start with those simple things, although not necessarily easy to do, but with that God promises to show you the "truth" that you are looking for, and you will recognize it.
2792 "And that I recite the Qur'an." He who is guided is guided for himself, and to he who is misguided, say "I am but one of the warners."
2793 Say "Praise be to God, He will show you His signs and you will know them. And your Lord is not unaware of what you do."
Peace
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Peace Green Anarchism.
I do not get you ,quote
"So what is your definition of law? What is your counterargument?"
This is not what I asked! Here are my two questions again
Who authored the Qoran?
Do you follow the authority/message of the author or do you not?Try again to answer clearly and sensibly. what you said above does not make sense and is a deviation from the subject asked.
GOD bless you.
Peace. -
You are the author of the book we call now Qoran? Explain please.
Who is Allah that says all these things in the book that we call Qoran?
I am talking about the Qoran , the book we read/study !!!
Which Qoran do you mean when you say "Qoran is not a book"?
GOD bless you.
Peace. -
Sorry brother, we are wasting our time since you keep going around the hole.
You have dug yourself a hole and you do not want to answer clearly because you know there is no way for you to prevent the fall.
Your choice. Do not answer.
Take care.
GOD bless you.
Peace. -
I do not really know what to say to you?
You quote verses from a book that you say you authored. How and when?
I have the same book , from well over 1400 years ago, How old are you?No doubt you will come again with another pasted post.
Are you an AI? keep copying and pasting stuff.
I am not getting any of it.
Forget it. I am not expecting answers from you.
Relax ,save your time. Have a break.
GOD bless you.
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You say Qoran is not a book ,it is an oath, Yet a written down oath is a book. Books are just written words.
You quote from written words. The verses make up the book. Who is the author of the verses/words that you are quoting?Is the book/Qoran from Allah or is it not from Allah? What are you talking about?
You are all over the place. Ahead of yourself. I see you lost coherence and you lost me.I do not mind if you take a break.
Or copy and paste another post again if you wish.
GOD bless you.
Peace. -
Just to prove to you that you are not answering my question, I am going to copy and paste this
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Quote from good logic on Yesterday at 125149 PM
Is the book/Qoran from Allah or is it not from Allah? What are you talking about?How do you know it is from Allah?
Have you seen Allah?
Have Muhammad seen Allah?
How do you know Muhammad is the messenger of God?
How do you know Muhammad met Gabriel?
What is your proof?
Have any of the companions seen Allah or Gabriel?
Who among those that wrote the so-called "Quran" seen Gabriel? Who?
Who? Or it is merely your guesswork?"
See how you are asking me irrelevant questions that have nothing to do with what I asked you. Is it clear to you now what I am saying to you?
Do you even read what I am asking you? Then read the question I asked ,then read your answer to it above in my copy and paste quote.I think you better take that break. Then reflect on your logic.
GOD bless you.
Peace. -
I am asking you this
Who authored the verses of Qoran? The verses that you quote for me.Remember you said here,quote
" So I gave my reason and verses from the Quran"
You keep diverting and asking me irrelevant questions instead of answering.
Or just say you don t know . if you are not sure.
GOD bless you.
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You keep repeating the same "copy and paste "pages.
I take it you do not know or you are not sure. Or you are messing about pasting irrelevant nonsense.Anyway , if by a miracle you come to your senses and answer my question, I will come back to thank you.
Otherwise, ,I have learnt my lesson . I will take a break myself. .Brother, your logic is something else.
good logic is dumfounded.
May the Lord help us both and bless you.
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I do not believe you are asking this? Quote
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So what are you claiming?That you witness Allah hold the pen and wrote the book?
Or you witness Gabriel wrote the book?
You're totally insane, liar .. no one have ever seen Allah or Gabriel, that is surely retard
"Author of contents does not mean writer of contents. Am I asking you who wrote the words?
Scribes write materials/books but they do not author the contents!!!Look at the contents /verses ? Who s the author/origin/authority/Law giver/..etc.i.e Author of the verses? The messenger? You? ...etc.
Because this means the Law/instructions/commands are issued by the authority/Law giver/Instructor...etc. Who is this authority?
I am tired of asking you, you must be tired of copying and pasting.
Let us just call it a day brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.