How do ever know the truth
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Dears,
I have a question for every one. We know by our exeprience and observations facts about this life and everything around us. We read from history and also from religious books. We tend to make some sense of all these in general and in personal terms. However do we ever know the Real Truth about this life?
Salam,
In my opinion, there is no truth (nor lie) about this life.
Truth is only a human-crafted concept, that has no underlying in the life.
In this life, there are only events, happening randomly, and that can (not must) be related each others by causality.Some physical constraints determine events to statistically happen more frequently here than there, thus creating a kind of illusion of logic, but there is not more than that.
The more I dig deep into religion or philosophy, the more I am lost... why?
Because those who invented religions or philosophy had the same problem as you and couldn't come to terms with the fact that our reality is made of random events, causally or not causally related.
Moreover they did not possess the tools and physical theories that we have today and that teach us that our reality is made of events happening randomly according to some statistical laws, sometimes causally related, sometimes not. -
I can only tell you what I prefer to be. An utmost hanif to GOD Alone.
But as humans we are pulled in two different directions. The tug of war goes on until our last breath.
So the truth is I do not know for sure how it will end. I need all the help I can get from my Lord.
Those who think they know for sure today,they certainly cannot know for certain the future.
So even If you think/assume I am humanist,I may not end up as such. You cannot know.So I am trying my best to do my best.
GOD bless you.
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You never know how true is your argument until..... rotfl
So may I know how your argument mix-up these two moralities?
Stop smoking the carpet, it is not good for your health.
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Peace Green Anarchism
You not only misread most here, including me , but you also misread Qoran or rather you read it differently than I do.
So I have a couple of questions for youWho authored Qoran? (I am hoping you give me evidence-either way-.)
Why do you follow this authority/author?
Or don t you?GOD bless you.
Peace. -
Dears,
I have a question for every one. We know by our exeprience and observations facts about this life and everything around us. We read from history and also from religious books. We tend to make some sense of all these in general and in personal terms. However do we ever know the Real Truth about this life?
The more I try to bring logic into the life, the more am disappointed by the opposite events which tends to defy the logic, to the point that there is no logic in this world, everything here happens for reasons beyong our imagination, yet we tend to label a reason for everything that happened. In short, we can go on and shout or pray silent, God may listen or may not listen, does not matter, what is going to happen will happen anyway. So the point is, everything is happening beyong our grasp, yet it is beautifully terms as free will and we reconcile ourselves into beleiving that there is some sort of an order or logic into this world, yet the game is on, generations after generations come in, same stories being repeted, similar of different faces and life goes on.
The more I dig deep into religion or philosophy, the more I am lost... why?
Cheers
Yes I think you are right, and thats the truth, we simply are powerless individually, we rely on nature, we rely on others, so we be humble, contribute what we can and thankful for what we got.
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Salam Fusion,
However do we ever know the Real Truth about this life?
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The more I dig deep into religion or philosophy, the more I am lost... why?Cheers
Just try reading the Quran independently. There's a lot of verses that are muhkamat, which we can immediately put into practice, such as doing good, feeding the orphans and poor people, giving them clothes and money that you love, preventing crime, no corruption, not cheating in business, not cheating in your marriage, and so on
God explains about himself in the simple way without the need for a lot of philosophical theories and complicated thoughts, for example,
4137 And from among His signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not prostrate to the sun, nor the moon; you shall prostrate to God who has created them, if it is truly Him you serve.
Whoever worships the God who created the Sun and the Moon, then we worship the same God. Whatever name people gave him.
Start with those simple things, although not necessarily easy to do, but with that God promises to show you the "truth" that you are looking for, and you will recognize it.
2792 "And that I recite the Qur'an." He who is guided is guided for himself, and to he who is misguided, say "I am but one of the warners."
2793 Say "Praise be to God, He will show you His signs and you will know them. And your Lord is not unaware of what you do."
Peace
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Peace Green Anarchism.
I do not get you ,quote
"So what is your definition of law? What is your counterargument?"
This is not what I asked! Here are my two questions again
Who authored the Qoran?
Do you follow the authority/message of the author or do you not?Try again to answer clearly and sensibly. what you said above does not make sense and is a deviation from the subject asked.
GOD bless you.
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You are the author of the book we call now Qoran? Explain please.
Who is Allah that says all these things in the book that we call Qoran?
I am talking about the Qoran , the book we read/study !!!
Which Qoran do you mean when you say "Qoran is not a book"?
GOD bless you.
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Sorry brother, we are wasting our time since you keep going around the hole.
You have dug yourself a hole and you do not want to answer clearly because you know there is no way for you to prevent the fall.
Your choice. Do not answer.
Take care.
GOD bless you.
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I do not really know what to say to you?
You quote verses from a book that you say you authored. How and when?
I have the same book , from well over 1400 years ago, How old are you?No doubt you will come again with another pasted post.
Are you an AI? keep copying and pasting stuff.
I am not getting any of it.
Forget it. I am not expecting answers from you.
Relax ,save your time. Have a break.
GOD bless you.
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You say Qoran is not a book ,it is an oath, Yet a written down oath is a book. Books are just written words.
You quote from written words. The verses make up the book. Who is the author of the verses/words that you are quoting?Is the book/Qoran from Allah or is it not from Allah? What are you talking about?
You are all over the place. Ahead of yourself. I see you lost coherence and you lost me.I do not mind if you take a break.
Or copy and paste another post again if you wish.
GOD bless you.
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Just to prove to you that you are not answering my question, I am going to copy and paste this
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Quote from good logic on Yesterday at 125149 PM
Is the book/Qoran from Allah or is it not from Allah? What are you talking about?How do you know it is from Allah?
Have you seen Allah?
Have Muhammad seen Allah?
How do you know Muhammad is the messenger of God?
How do you know Muhammad met Gabriel?
What is your proof?
Have any of the companions seen Allah or Gabriel?
Who among those that wrote the so-called "Quran" seen Gabriel? Who?
Who? Or it is merely your guesswork?"
See how you are asking me irrelevant questions that have nothing to do with what I asked you. Is it clear to you now what I am saying to you?
Do you even read what I am asking you? Then read the question I asked ,then read your answer to it above in my copy and paste quote.I think you better take that break. Then reflect on your logic.
GOD bless you.
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I am asking you this
Who authored the verses of Qoran? The verses that you quote for me.Remember you said here,quote
" So I gave my reason and verses from the Quran"
You keep diverting and asking me irrelevant questions instead of answering.
Or just say you don t know . if you are not sure.
GOD bless you.
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You keep repeating the same "copy and paste "pages.
I take it you do not know or you are not sure. Or you are messing about pasting irrelevant nonsense.Anyway , if by a miracle you come to your senses and answer my question, I will come back to thank you.
Otherwise, ,I have learnt my lesson . I will take a break myself. .Brother, your logic is something else.
good logic is dumfounded.
May the Lord help us both and bless you.
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I do not believe you are asking this? Quote
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So what are you claiming?That you witness Allah hold the pen and wrote the book?
Or you witness Gabriel wrote the book?
You're totally insane, liar .. no one have ever seen Allah or Gabriel, that is surely retard
"Author of contents does not mean writer of contents. Am I asking you who wrote the words?
Scribes write materials/books but they do not author the contents!!!Look at the contents /verses ? Who s the author/origin/authority/Law giver/..etc.i.e Author of the verses? The messenger? You? ...etc.
Because this means the Law/instructions/commands are issued by the authority/Law giver/Instructor...etc. Who is this authority?
I am tired of asking you, you must be tired of copying and pasting.
Let us just call it a day brother.
GOD bless you.
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GA says,quote
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FACT Muhammad ("witness" was the author of the Quran... he wrote itThis is the utterance of an honourable messenger<-- THE AUTHOR (6940)
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good logic says
Muhammed uttered the words that were revealed to him. NOT THE AUTHOR
FACT A revelation from the Lord of the universe. 6943- THE AUTHOR
تَنزيلٌ مِن رَبِّ العٰلَمينَMuhammad Forbidden from uttering his own words
Had he uttered any other teachings.
وَلَو تَقَوَّلَ عَلَينا بَعضَ الأَقاويلِ
We would have punished him.
لَأَخَذنا مِنهُ بِاليَمينِ
We would have stopped the revelations to him.
ثُمَّ لَقَطَعنا مِنهُ الوَتينَ
None of you could have helped him.
فَما مِنكُم مِن أَحَدٍ عَنهُ حٰجِزينَI copy and paste your own words. Don t they apply to you?quote
"why bother looking at the content when you fully aware that "... you believe in part of the Book and disbelieve in another part of it? (285)..."
that make sense to you? what makes you think that you can fool God? you're not fooling human, BUT GOD! lol
GOD bless you.
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Peace GA.
You say this, quote
"ELSE satanic life (the consequence, is hell)"You will probably match the devil with your arguments. Try conversations with him when you meet there. I reckon you have a good chance of winning some arguments.
For me, you are the one choosing verses and abrogating others. Believe what you want. I will not ask you any more questions and I forgive you.
GOD bless you.
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Well brother GA.
I cannot argue with you. You will only drag me down to your level and will beat me with experience.
I cannot match your copy and paste level. However your artificial intelligence will be no match for my natural stupidity.
Oh and the difference between my stupidity and your intelligence is that yours has limits.If you and me were stranded in a desert Island, you will wish you were back home,but I will wish all my friends were here with me.
One needs to learn from mistakes,but if you keep making the same mistakes-Yes copy and paste the same stuff on different subjects- then you are intelligent.
Thanks for answering my two simple questions by MANY copy and paste pages I do not have my answer but I understand MANY.. It means A LOT to me.
So I finish with forgiveness and friendship to you. Or rather I am finished
My brain had two sides to it,left and right. Now,after our conversation,my left side of the brain there is no right in it and my right side of the brain has nothing left in it.
Take care.
GOD bless you.
Peace -
Dear All,
I have been away from the forum for few days and today I was able to read all of the replies and then the discussion between two of the colleagues here. I am really sorry if I have caused any issues, my intention was not to cause a debate but to get some good answers as I believe most of you have excel in search of truth.
Some one advises me to start with a clean slate that means do not have any baseline set for whatsoever and then ask for guidance. Ask who? surely the one creates the whole system around us, the one who sets the stage, one who create the circus of the worlds, and as well the audiences.
Hence I can not deny whats going on around me/us/everyone in this Life. However I like to know if there is more to it? Surely being good to others, and follow the correct path is common sense for humanity or should be, that is not what I have asked for.
Are we going through a simulation? all of us? and the reality is some where else.. not yet revealed?
Best regards
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Certainly, it is super artificial intelligence (the transhumanist world order to replace Allah) rotfl
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK0q812bAK0
So if we are in a simualtion then that means some one is running this simulation which could prove existence of God unless you meant that a higher advanced civilization has created the simulation we are in... then question will rise who creates that advanced civilization and so on... until we cant reach to the end..
The fact that being in a simulation proves that reality exists outside the simulation.. could this be the eternal life of Hell and Heaven that God spoke about ?
No one actually comes back after death to tell is if there is more nor we could remember where we got teleported our soul into this simulation/body from?. So the possibilities are endless and I guess Quran comes close enough to sort of give comfort to one who seeks. However it does not explicitely talk about it, only various verses interpretations exists which are influenced by the people of times with respect to the knowledge exists then, to give just one of the examples 228, 7172 shows pre-existence of souls, I am refering to these verses because you always Quote Quran in your replies. perhaps you could also explain more in detail.
Cheers
