Honestly This topic is leading me to disbelieve
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except from their spouses and from those whom their right hands hold in trust, are free of blame. (7030)
O Prophet! We have made halal for you your wives to whom you have given dowries and any slavegirls you own from the booty Allah has allotted you and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who have made hijra with you and any mumin woman who gives herself to the Prophet if the Prophet desires to marry her exclusively for you as opposed to the rest of the muminun — We know very well what We have prescribed for them regarding their wives and any slavegirls they possess — in order that there be no restriction on you. Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (3350)
Where does the above invalidate what's haram from the Quran?
Which part does it say fornication is halal, and rule out the following verses (link)?
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611550.msg434768#msg434768
7030 says u can have sex with those whom their right hands hold in trust , doesnt it? They are not wives, you agree?
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Where is the word "sex"?
It just says "halal/lawful", ie. for marriage..
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611550.msg434768#msg434768
show me the word "making sex"... which part of it?
7029 وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ لِفُرُوجِهِمْ حَافِظُونَ
What does it mean?? Lawful for marriage!!?
Those who only marries to their wives and mma s???
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Allah talk about "sex" or "marriage"?
Go through the whole Quran and show me the word "sex/making sex"... rotfl
all i know the topic is about "marriage"... ie. CONTRACT OF MARRIAGE.
This is the Quran, not the BIBLE... lol
Bro…….. you translate this two verse as this?
وَالَّذِينَ(those) هُمْ لِفُرُوجِهِمْ حَافِظُونَ(doesnt sign contract of marriage)
إِلَّا عَلَىٰ (except) أَزْوَاجِهِمْ(with their wives) أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ (or their ma malakat aymanuhum)
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Its limiting A to only two categories brother… if its about marruage then someone only can marry with his wife(LoL) and his mma
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Do you understand what this ayat is saying?
"have prescribed for them regarding"
Bro you are mentioning 3350 but i am talking about 7029-30
Editmentioning them that for normal muslims all of the Ma malakat aymanuhum is halal/ but for prophet only ma malakat who he has gained from war or مما افاء الله علیک
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"Slavegirls" does not mean "fornication"... you have a dirty mind? rotfl
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611550.msg434768#msg434768
7029 And those who their modesty (are) guardians,
7030 Except from their spouses or what they possess rightfully then indeed, they (are) not blameworthy,
7031 But whoever seeks beyond that, then those (are) the transgressors -Good…
Can you explain what is Guarding modesty? Thanks
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Yes, Allah has already prescribed for them...
you expect Allah must repeat the same words through the whole Quran, just to entertain your dirty mind? rotfl
Brother you dont know what you say…..
What is this verse about!!!???? Having sex? So someone can have sex with his mma
Marrying??? Then someone can marry his wife (LoL) if its about marriage…. Why God may say those who dont marry , save with their wives and mma s
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Where is the word "sex"?
It just says "halal/lawful", ie. for marriage..
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611550.msg434768#msg434768
show me the word "making sex"... which part of it?
U said 7029-30 is about marriage….
So one person can only marry with his wife and mma!!!
الا limit the options to only these two!
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Then show me it is not; with consistent interpretation/ 482 RULE! ... no point you're insisting on your wishful thinking...
How? Why? What verse to invalidate all those rules?
What makes "slavegirls" means "fornication"? What verse? dictionary? rotfl
I didnt say slavegirls means fornication….
But this verse say u must guard your فروج
Execpt to your wife and slave girl
What does it mean?! -
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GUARD = AVOID = "DO NOT GO NEAR TO FORNICATION"... go open your dictionary rotfl
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611550.msg434768#msg434768
LoL….
So this verse say dont go near fornication….
But u can have fornication with your wife and slave!!(according to your translation) -
Okay.. rotfl
i corrected it…. Go see previous pages
Edit Go buy female slavesand have sex with them(or have sex with uour already owned slaves)
Yes i said it… but i didnt said slavegirl=fornication
i said quran allow sex with slave in 7029-30
But as it looks it didnt count as fornication…. Cuz fornication have punishment …. But quran allow sex with slave IMO
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How nonsensical a person can be.. When reading Quran one should always take all relevant verses for support and not stick with one verse..
I address to all those who is wishfully thinking like mahdi20..
Are believers only married men? What about unmarried men... Don't they need to guard chastity to be a real Believer.. "Marriage obligatory before sex" any fool can understand within Quran that.. From the beginning I explained that...
424 ..Why one need to marry an already married MMA without having divorced?
What the bloody reason to marry her if she is your MMA and if you are free and permitted to breach chastity (ie sex) with her(being MMA) as per 56 abd 7030...Is brain this much weak without being able to reflect a simple rudimentary logic? Or hearts are locked up?
What happens if one have sex with this woman described above MMA (already married but not divorced) and not married yet again while she is someone who is given permission to marry by believers? Can her master have sex with her freely.. Is it what 56 says... Nonsensical thoughts at its best...
Whisk him 100 lashes if he does so... That's fornication ..
Nearing a woman who is allowed for you to marry without marriage ... You are cherry picking with God's clear verses of 56 abd 7030..Are MMA allowed for you to marry or not? Then who gave authority to have sex with them before that...
I am done with this super nonsensical debate ..
This is the last time I would respond... Enough is enough.. -
These verses and most from Quran should be read in perspective of the situation then, now a days less war and do you think the condition of women are more better with better rights?, if countries affected by war and adversities their condition will be still worst, they loose their support, this is not only in Arabia, its everywhere, in some countries there were a separate system, these women were made to serve the temples and the kings/rich, present times too there are women staying in specific areas serve men, prostitution is there in most countries.
Yes, I think The right hand or rightfully possessed is some women in one's support but war captives or those refugees etc...There is no forced sex here, theres no cheating, not even sex for money and this looks to be the normal then.
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Peace wakas
From the same verses that you mentioned in study quran
Sex
conception and pregnancy (see Pregnancy)
consort with wives in a goodly manner 419
don't force female slaves into prostitution 2433
during Ramadhan 2187
is what your spouse is for, so do it! 2187, 2222-223
with slaves is legal 236, 3350, 3352, 7030 (alternate interpretation)(i noticed i wrongly writed sex with captured enemy women… captives must be released…. But anyway the problem isnt solved….. i change Go capture enemy women and have sex with them….. i am trying tooooo hard to prove that quran dont say such things…. But i am failed —-> Go buy female slavesand have sex with them(or have sex with uour already owned slaves)i am trying tooooo hard to prove that quran dont say such things…. But i am failed)
Thanks for correcting yourself. To clarify StudyQuran links to an external topical index on IslamiCity which states the part you highlighted in black bold.
The reason I asked you what I did is it seems to me you are making baseless/unevidenced claims. You should make sure the claims you make are correct first.
The part of yours that I have highlighted in red, please provide the evidence for each
- which verse says buy female slaves?
- what is the Arabic word for "slaves" that you are referring to?
- which verse says have sex with slaves?
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Peace Mahdi20.
What you are asked is simple
Where do you get that MMA= slaves /slave girls from ?
What is the Arabic word for slave/slaves?You are not reflecting and reading what is said to you.
In that case, implore GOD to help you or part company from your issue and Qoran.I am not expecting to benefit you with whatever I will say.However I will tell you this
I had issues, but I always trust GOD and I cannot turn back on my heels from GOD just because I have issues . Who would I turn to in that case? I will only turn back to my own devils or others and I will stay utterly confused!Many here are advising you to stay with the right path. Stay with them if you wish a little more and be patient.
GOD s guidance is the best and only true guidance. We are commanded to submit to the Lord of the universe and trust him to sort our problems.He is the One before whom we will be summoned (for the reckoning)." Who knows better than GOD? All His words are measured and true if we only seek more knowledge by persevering.
His word is the absolute truth. All sovereignty belongs to Him ... Knower of all secrets and declarations, He is the Most Wise, the Cognizant.
Hope that helps.
GOD bless you.
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Thanks for correcting yourself. To clarify StudyQuran links to an external topical index on IslamiCity which states the part you highlighted in black bold.
The reason I asked you what I did is it seems to me you are making baseless/unevidenced claims. You should make sure the claims you make are correct first.
The part of yours that I have highlighted in red, please provide the evidence for each
- which verse says buy female slaves?
- what is the Arabic word for "slaves" that you are referring to?
- which verse says have sex with slaves?
Peace
- which verse says buy female slaves? it doesnt say… i was wrong actually it says to free slaves not buying them
- what is the Arabic word for "slaves" that you are referring to? i know non quranic arabic word for slave wasnt ma malakat aymanukum… but was abd for men and something else for women.. but why lexicons and even arabs(2 arabs i asked from them…. One is in sudan and one is iran but born in syria or iraq i think said it means slaves) even as i know ما is an اسم الموصول for non humans…. Like animals or object… من is for humans(actually for عاقل as i learned in hs )Didnt it means that whoever ma malakat aymanukum was…. Thei was like proprety of their guardian/owner/master or
etc? Ok lets just say ma malakat aymanukum not slaves - which verse says have sex with slaves?7029-30 which mma came different from azwaj
Same for 3350…. Mma s arent zawj(a person you are married too)
