Does quran says humans think by heart?
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Peace good logic, no, now we doesnt know how atoms were created first,but may we will in future, as science develop( i hope that you doesnt compare this with thinking of heart yay at finding this is not the job of biology/medicine
Peace centi50, thanks for entering the discussion
U said My brothers, what if later they come discover that both the heart and brain thinks.
I believe maybe we haven't reached yet this discovery
Answered this so many times in this topic
U said An-Naml 2718
حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَآ أَتَوْا۟ عَلَىٰ وَادِ ٱلنَّمْلِ قَالَتْ نَمْلَةٌ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّمْلُ ٱدْخُلُوا۟ مَسَٰكِنَكُمْ لَا يَحْطِمَنَّكُمْ سُلَيْمَٰنُ وَجُنُودُهُۥ وَهُمْ لَا يَشْعُرُونَ
Until, when they came upon the valley of the ants, an ant said, "O ants, enter your dwellings that you not be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they perceive not."
Just recently did the scientists discover this phenomenon.
https//www.science.org/content/article/shhh-ants-are-talking
I havent read your article , but yes, animals communicate/talk with each other in various types.
Also in this verse naml isnt ant, if solomon would be able to hear animals and etc, he would get serious mentall diseases and he would die(imagine hearing 100000 animals voice 24hrs , all day)
Peace jkhan
U said Don't give examples which has no sense.. We have a concerned organ and named organ in Quran that is heart.. That's why we raise questions.. Not the fingers.. How nonsensical to point out fingers here as example.. Totally irrelevant.. We didn't pick at random an organ and claiming it has certain features and functions.. We directly refer what Quran says..
I was just trying to sense if thinking by fingers is funny and false in common view, thinking with heart is also funny for a person with basic knowledge of heart and brain Anatomy and Physiology
U said Science is ever evolving.. They never make their final decison.. They keep researching.. That's why I never compare quran with science.. It is a personal choice.. Accepting God in life is personal choice and thus believing in Quran augments it.. This belief cannot go further if you drag science with you..
peace peace Answered this so many times, brother, if Iron is metal and isnt nonmetal, you wont say may science evolve and maybe Fe is non metal, will you?
U said One day in my office what human created made our life much comfortable than what God created.. Without human's creations and technology science life would be so hard.. That looks true if you look at in an angle....
Science and belief won't go side by side..
Coz this faith in God is unseen.. Believing in an unseen can never go in line with science..rotfl Think well and you will not put those things in 2 different group(human creation and God creation) , God created creations(humans) and this creations created those creations(which you call human creations) but those are from God, A created B, if there wasnt A then there wouldnt B
U saidOne would respond to God's challenge.. Can they even create a fly?.. But human has created much better than flies and useful.. Robotic birds and animals are so cute.. So if one want to compare they would say humam also can create..
Science is human's discovery.. Great invention.. Don't underestimate them.. But never compare Gods hidden truth with it.. Coz science will overtake your belief.. That sucks I'm the end..Those mechanical birds are cute, but a creating a bee is so much harder than those mechanical birds. Also these mechanical birds wouldnt be here if God didnt created atoms and etc peace
science isnt in battle with God, idk why you think like this(or it is the view that i get from your comments and may i am wrong) if you see so many people of knowledge are atheist and etc, its just the persons mistake.
You also didnt mentioned why u think that we have 2 to 4 brains.
U said Even you or anyone takes the qalb as intellect, it won't work out.. Then where does the intellect originate? Is it from Heart OR brain..?
I agree with you in this case, God bless all of you
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Peace good logic, no, now we doesnt know how atoms were created first,but may we will in future, as science develop( i hope that you doesnt compare this with thinking of heart yay at finding this is not the job of biology/medicine
Peace centi50, thanks for entering the discussion
U said My brothers, what if later they come discover that both the heart and brain thinks.
I believe maybe we haven't reached yet this discovery
Answered this so many times in this topic
U said An-Naml 2718
حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَآ أَتَوْا۟ عَلَىٰ وَادِ ٱلنَّمْلِ قَالَتْ نَمْلَةٌ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّمْلُ ٱدْخُلُوا۟ مَسَٰكِنَكُمْ لَا يَحْطِمَنَّكُمْ سُلَيْمَٰنُ وَجُنُودُهُۥ وَهُمْ لَا يَشْعُرُونَ
Until, when they came upon the valley of the ants, an ant said, "O ants, enter your dwellings that you not be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they perceive not."
Just recently did the scientists discover this phenomenon.
https//www.science.org/content/article/shhh-ants-are-talking
I havent read your article , but yes, animals communicate/talk with each other in various types.
Also in this verse naml isnt ant, if solomon would be able to hear animals and etc, he would get serious mentall diseases and he would die(imagine hearing 100000 animals voice 24hrs , all day)
Peace jkhan
U said Don't give examples which has no sense.. We have a concerned organ and named organ in Quran that is heart.. That's why we raise questions.. Not the fingers.. How nonsensical to point out fingers here as example.. Totally irrelevant.. We didn't pick at random an organ and claiming it has certain features and functions.. We directly refer what Quran says..
I was just trying to sense if thinking by fingers is funny and false in common view, thinking with heart is also funny for a person with basic knowledge of heart and brain Anatomy and Physiology
U said Science is ever evolving.. They never make their final decison.. They keep researching.. That's why I never compare quran with science.. It is a personal choice.. Accepting God in life is personal choice and thus believing in Quran augments it.. This belief cannot go further if you drag science with you..
peace peace Answered this so many times, brother, if Iron is metal and isnt nonmetal, you wont say may science evolve and maybe Fe is non metal, will you?
U said One day in my office what human created made our life much comfortable than what God created.. Without human's creations and technology science life would be so hard.. That looks true if you look at in an angle....
Science and belief won't go side by side..
Coz this faith in God is unseen.. Believing in an unseen can never go in line with science..rotfl Think well and you will not put those things in 2 different group(human creation and God creation) , God created creations(humans) and this creations created those creations(which you call human creations) but those are from God, A created B, if there wasnt A then there wouldnt B
U saidOne would respond to God's challenge.. Can they even create a fly?.. But human has created much better than flies and useful.. Robotic birds and animals are so cute.. So if one want to compare they would say humam also can create..
Science is human's discovery.. Great invention.. Don't underestimate them.. But never compare Gods hidden truth with it.. Coz science will overtake your belief.. That sucks I'm the end..Those mechanical birds are cute, but a creating a bee is so much harder than those mechanical birds. Also these mechanical birds wouldnt be here if God didnt created atoms and etc peace
science isnt in battle with God, idk why you think like this(or it is the view that i get from your comments and may i am wrong) if you see so many people of knowledge are atheist and etc, its just the persons mistake.
You also didnt mentioned why u think that we have 2 to 4 brains.
U said Even you or anyone takes the qalb as intellect, it won't work out.. Then where does the intellect originate? Is it from Heart OR brain..?
I agree with you in this case, God bless all of you
You don't read anything well and relatively failed to grasp what I have written... Don't rush to answer by just browsing...
Now I think you are surely a typical Iranian who s eccentric.. I have met many Iranians who thinks they are Americans byvjnowlwdge and look.. That's why most of them are eccentric..Why... 10000 animals voice Sulaiman hearing 24/7 rotfl rotfl
I do hear 1000s of people talking every day.. But I can't even remember what they even conversed.. Sulaiman was not living in the valley of ants.. He was a king.. How fallacy your basic logic is..Again I reiterate.. God spoke the truth.. He has clearly written in wonderful Arabic that human reflect with Heart.. That us to say organ heart.. No one can deny it with any logic. If anyone tries he is trying to go in line with science... That's so manifest...
Ate you living on this very earth or are you living somewhere which is tuning your head to say science has verified everything.. Who is science dude..?
Human invention.. Human invention of any nature is science..
If a tribal ancient person build a wonderful canoe using his knowledge that is science.. Everything in which sheer knowledge is blended is science.. It may remain as final OR it may improve and evolve forever..Iron is iron.. Don't be like a child in your example.. That's why I call you eccentric.. Known truth is well know.. I am not hear to say moon is not moon it sun.. By mistake it was mixed up.. Your logic is same..
God has addressed heart.. So we speak about heart why you need fingers or hair for that matter.. Are you kind of mentally disordered person who doesn't even stick to basic..
Where in the world it is finalized that hearts only function is pumping blood.. Bring proofs..
Science is ever evolving on many things.. Human body is one of those.. Human bodies functions and reactions etc etc is not finalized.. Still going on..
You ate just a medical student as per you.. Don't try to be over smart like someone on his last moments of experiment yo claim science has confirmed..
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Does science really say the intellect resides only in the brain? proof please?
Intellect is an attribute that is said of the soul and body combined and as it relates to the body, it is produced through a combination of the heart , brain,, seeing hearing, doing ...etc
Hence, it is not exclusive to any organ but is connected to the soul ,and especially heart and brain that collectively play a role of a live person in producing the attribute of intellect , and within those roles, the heart is in the driver's seat and the brain is an accomplice and without heart and the soul there is no life, hence reason is said of all three.
Intellect is an attribute and not a thing in and of itself that can be said to be "here" or "there". The attribute of intellect arises when the soul/life and mind, heart and brain function to provide thought, imagination, desire, choice, speech and action and this attribute can be present, absent, strong, weak, abundant or scarce in a person.
This attribute can also be worked on to improve it.
GOD bless.
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Peace jkhan
U said You don't read anything well and relatively failed to grasp what I have written... Don't rush to answer by just browsing...
Now I think you are surely a typical Iranian who s eccentric.. I have met many Iranians who thinks they are Americans byvjnowlwdge and look.. That's why most of them are eccentric..nope Racist rotfl , be careful bro, satan was a racist too rotfl nope pr
U said Why... 10000 animals voice Sulaiman hearing 24/7 rotfl rotfl
I do hear 1000s of people talking every day.. But I can't even remember what they even conversed.. Sulaiman was not living in the valley of ants.. He was a king.. How fallacy your basic logic is..Do you know how many insects are around you? rotfl
U said Again I reiterate.. God spoke the truth.. He has clearly written in wonderful Arabic that human reflect with Heart.. That us to say organ heart.. No one can deny it with any logic. If anyone tries he is trying to go in line with science... That's so manifest...
I said it so many times, if any book really say this, it just shows that the author was a creation with limited knowledge of his times
U said Where in the world it is finalized that hearts only function is pumping blood.. Bring proofs..
Science is ever evolving on many things.. Human body is one of those.. Human bodies functions and reactions etc etc is not finalized.. Still going on..
You ate just a medical student as per you.. Don't try to be over smart like someone on his last moments of experiment yo claim science has confirmed..Yes i am a student , so go ask a professor rotfl
U said Even great Aristotle said heart is pivotal and brain act as secondary...
rotfl rotfl Brother, if u said a sentence like this at the beggining, i wouldnt waste my time by talking with you.
I hope that your Brains rotfl are in good health
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Peace good logic,
U said it is produced through a combination of the heart , brain,, seeing hearing, doing ...etc
How do you see? How do you hear? How you smell? How do you love? How do you fear? Where is the center of emotions? Why heart damage doesnt change your emotions? Why limbic system damage destroy your emotions? Does mental illness treatment include working on brain or heart? How does anti depression drugs work?Why people get depression? How do you do your acts? How do you solve math problems? What is the mechanism of ECT?
Why some people are in coma? Why some are in vegetative state?Brother do you know why some people here say that its a metaphor or it has another meaning ? Because they have basic knowledge about our body.
Brother you and everybody that says heart thinks have 6 ways
1-Go read funny articles from unreliable sources
2-Go read reliable sources
3-Go to a Hospital and see people with brain/heart damage
4-Go to university
5-Ask a Professor
6-Think by the way you likeGod bless you
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Salam to all
An-Naml 2716
وَوَرِثَ سُلَيْمَٰنُ دَاوُۥدَۖ وَقَالَ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ عُلِّمْنَا مَنطِقَ ٱلطَّيْرِ وَأُوتِينَا مِن كُلِّ شَىْءٍۖ إِنَّ هَٰذَا لَهُوَ ٱلْفَضْلُ ٱلْمُبِينُ
And Solomon inherited David. He said, "O people, we have been taught the language of birds, and we have been given from all things. Indeed, this is evident bounty."
So to you ant is not ant bird is bird right?
So tell us what are they please.
What is your interpretation of these verses
God bless all
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Peace Mahdi.
We’re still a long way off from knowing for certain which parts of the brain create intelligence or whether any do , or whether this is even a reasonable puzzle to solve.
P-FIT seems to be one of the theory around, No proof yet.
As our technology and understanding develops, hopefully we’ll have a more complete picture of intelligence in the future.
This is what I am telling you.
Or state your proof.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mahdi20.
This is continuing towards stale mate.
You are insisting that science knows everything about the brain and heart, yet science is clearly saying that there are more to know about how we think and what and where is the intellect.
If GOD is the one who created us ,surely GOD knows more than science?
So what is your problem? You want to convince us that science has all our answers and that Qoran is not compatible and contradicts it?Look back at your posts, no evidence ,just your own argument in your own words about science and assumptions about Qoran.
May be you also argue the same about our posts, in that case Qoran is wrong according to you. Is this where we should part company with our conversation and you ditch Qoran?
I have no more to say brother except the following
There is no equal to the one who created and controls every soul. Is science informing GOD of something on earth or anywhere else He does not know?
I think you are just fabricating empty statements that science to its credit has not established yet and is still searching.
Your choice, you do not have to believe Qoran, however you have not brought any evidence to confirm any contradiction or false statement in Qoran with science.Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
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Salam to all
An-Naml 2716
وَوَرِثَ سُلَيْمَٰنُ دَاوُۥدَۖ وَقَالَ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ عُلِّمْنَا مَنطِقَ ٱلطَّيْرِ وَأُوتِينَا مِن كُلِّ شَىْءٍۖ إِنَّ هَٰذَا لَهُوَ ٱلْفَضْلُ ٱلْمُبِينُ
And Solomon inherited David. He said, "O people, we have been taught the language of birds, and we have been given from all things. Indeed, this is evident bounty."
So to you ant is not ant bird is bird right?
So tell us what are they please.
What is your interpretation of these verses
God bless all
Brother read interpretation of dr shabbir ahmad ,muhammad ali,ghulam ahmed parwiz
The first is available in quranix.org
For the 2nd and 3rd search the net, i am busy otherwise i would send it here for you
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John, why do you continue this charade?
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peace, all languages billions (they’re not all dumb) speaking English "heart" symbolizes individual emotion as in Albanian "zemra" to Slavic "srce" to Zulu "inhliziyo" not always the physical pump.
Likewise, the same with "fuadu" and "qalb" CONTEXTE is your friend!2810 واصبح and became فواد fuadu/heart (inner emotion) ام mother موسى Musa فارغا empty of (hopeless) ان indeed كادت near she لتبدى to disclose به in him لولا if not ان that ربطنا strengthened we of على upon قلبها qalbiha/heart (mind/persona) hers لتكون to she being من of المومنىن the believers (masculine plural)
Yes the verse 2810 expresses very well the richness and the subtlety of the Arabic language. 2 words which are, to my knowledge, always translated, in classical translations, by the word "heart" (fuadu and qalbiha) whereas they are two words with different roots which are used.
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al Fouad would come from fahada which contains the meaning of "to cook"
=> thus here, in context, a "heart which burns", by the fact of having thrown/abandoned its child on water (one feels its emotion/inner state) -
al Qalb would come from taqaloub which contains the meaning of "turning-revering-inverting-changing of a thing, its mode or manner of being".
=> Faced with the situation Musa's mother was balancing between two emotional and intellectual antagonistic inner states trust and fear. So, if God had not strengthened her "heart/alQalb" she could have disclosed everything (reversed God's plan), fear taking over.
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