The Universe

jkhan

"Rotating sphere

Quran 395

Created the heavens and the Earth in truth. He overlaps the night over the day and overlaps the day over the night, and enslaved the sun and the moon. ALL MOVE to a prerecorded destiny. Is He not the Exalted, the Forgiver?

"ALL MOVE (Kullon Yajree كُلٌّ يَجْرِي)" here the Quran is referring to ALL MOVING, not only the sun and moon but also Earth. In Arabic grammar there is difference between the singular (one), binary (two) and plural (three or more). The reference to binary is "Kulahuma Yajreean كلاهما يجريان" however the Quran said "Kullon yajree كُلٌّ يَجْرِي" referring to the plural (three or more). Since the sun and moon are just two but the Quran refers to three or more then according to the Quran all the three move sun, moon and Earth.

The Quran says that Earth has a diameter (diameter is twice the radius).

So you are trying desperately at the expense anything.. Why brother... Why... Don't you like truth..
Do you say here night and day mebtioned along with sun and moon to kullu yajree perfect fits if you add earth to it.. Since night and day is on earth.. How silly..
Kullu means each as well.. I don't see any flaw in Arabic here..

If it is acceptable then explain below verse..

132 "..... He established Himself above the Throne and made subject the sun and the moon, each (kullu) running (Yajree) for a specified term.

Above verse has no night no day.. Just two objects sun and moon.. Kullu yajree.
You should feel shameful yo make mistakes in this manner and indirect claims quran is in error to claim your desperate effort... How come kullu yajree here two and in the verse you refer you intently from your hallucinating whim you add Earth into it so that it makes more happy feeling to you..
Nonsensical...

Emre_1974tr

"Quran claims the Earth to be Sphere ( GEOID shape )
The Quran can continue to be interpreted in the light of new knowledge till the last day .

Quran in many of it’s verses states the earth to be a Egg shaped rotating sphere. among all, I’ll mention some of them to proove that the Earth as accordance with the Quran is Egg Shaped Sphere.

Please read this POST word by word with patience.

Proof 1 - Surah Az-Zumar aayah 5 ( i.e. 395 )
Let’s begin with Surah Az-Zumar verse 5 which clearly states that the earth is egg shaped. I’ll explain this verse to the point with translation.

The below figures shows the verse in arabic and english translation as mentioned in Quran.com .

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Figure 1.1

Arabic Text - Surah Az-Zumar Verse 5 ( 395 )

Source Quran.com

Keep note of the highlighted text

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Figure 1.2

English Text - Surah Az-Zumar Verse 5 ( 395 )

Source Quran.com

Keep note of the highlighted text

The above aayah (as per Quran.com ) states that night wraps over the day and the day wraps over the night. The word wraps has been used as a translation for the arabic word يُكَوِّر (Yukawer) which is not the actual meaning of it. instead it is just to make the verse sensible as a sentence.

Also if you refer to any different translation via different sources, you will notice the use of different words for the arabic word يُكَوِّر (Yukawer). The below image shows the translation of the same verse from a different source ( Al-Quran.info ).

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Figure 2.2

Arabic Text - Surah Az-Zumar Verse 5 ( 395 )

Source Al-Quran.info

Keep note of the highlighted text

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Figure 2.2

English Text - Surah Az-Zumar Verse 5 ( 395 )

Source Al-Quran.info

Keep note of the highlighted text

The english word for يُكَوِّر (Yukawer) used here in Al-Quran.info is winds which makes it clear that the translation in Al-Quran.info is different from that of Quran.com which further makes it clear that the translation of the arabic word يُكَوِّر (Yukawer) is used different by different scholars.

So what’s the actuall meaning of the word يُكَوِّر?

The word يُكَوِّر (Yukawer) is the verb of the word kura كرة ( kura ) which in arabic means ball ( Figure 3.1 ) . So, يُكَوِّر (Yukawer) means making a ball ( Figure 3.2 ). For your confirmation of this word you can refer to the figures below which shows the translation of the word ball in english and arabic using Google Translator.

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Figure 3.1

Arabic translation of the word Ball

Source Google Translator

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Figure 3.1

English translation of the word يُكَوِّر (Yukawer)

Source Google Translator

This makes it clear that the actual meaning of the word يُكَوِّر (Yukawer) is not winds and neither wraps. The actual english word for يُكَوِّر (Yukawer) is making a ball.

So, the translation of the above aayah (395) would conclude that according to Quran, overlapping of the night and the day makes a ball (sphere).

Hence the earth is like a ball ( not claimed to be circular but of like a sphere ).

Proof 2 - Surah Ar-Rahman aayah 33 ( i.e. 5533 )
This aayah in surah Ar-Rahman ( 5533 ) prooves that the earth has a diameter ( diameter is simply twice the radius ). The below figure shows the arabic and english translation of this aayah.

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Figure 4.1

Arabic text of Ar-Rahman verse 33

Source Quran.com

Keep note of the highlighted text

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Figure 4.1

English text of Ar-Rahman verse 33

Source Quran.com

Keep note of the highlighted text

This aayah states that if humans and jinns can pass beyond the regions ( diameter ) of the earth and the heavens then they cannot pass except by authority of Allah.

The highlighted word أَقطارِ (aqtar) has been translated to regions in Quran.com which is not the actuall meaning of it. Also, different scholars have used different word for أَقطارِ (aqtar).

The word أَقطارِ (aqtar) is the plural of the word (Kutr) قطر which is the arabic word for Diameter. For confirmation refer the below figures ( 5.1 and 5.2 ).

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Figure 5.1

English translation of word قطر (Kutr)

Source Google Translator

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Figure 5.2

English translation of word أَقطارِ (aqtar)

Source Google Translator

So it is clear that this aayah (5533) talks about the earth’s diameter and we know that Radii and Diameters are properties of circles or spheres only. This confirms that the earth has a diameter and hence it’s a sphere. This also conforms with the previous verse (395), to make into a ball.

Proof 3 - Surah An-Nazi'at (79), Verse 30 ( i.e. 7930 )
This verse prooves that the earth is egg shaped. Refer to the following firgures ( 6.1 and 6.2 ) with arabic and english text of surah An-Naziat verse 30.

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Figure 6.1

Arabic Text of An-Nazi'at (79), Verse 30

Source Quran.com

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Figure 6.2

English Text of An-Nazi'at (79), Verse 30

Source Quran.com

The above verse states that God spread the earth ( Figure 6.2 ) where the word spread ( highlighted text of Fig. 6.2 ) is the translation used for the arabic word دَحاها ( daha - highlited text of fig. 6.1 ).

Amazingly the word “دَحَا” (dahaa) is derived from word “دحية” (duhyah) wich specifically means ”egg of ostrich” (not just any egg). Some scholars had used the word “smoothed out” instead of “spread out” as the meaning of the arabic word دَحاها (daha).

For you to clearly understand the arabic word daha, I’ve to elaborate my explanation to the depth.

The Arabic Word Dahaha
Dahaha = Daha + ha

دحاها = دحا + ها

Root verb is دحو / دحا

Pronoun- ها

There are a lot of meanings of Daha ( دَحَا )

1st General Meaning
Daha

دفعه و رمى به
dafa'aahu wa ramaa bih
Caused it to Move, pushed it, Rolled, or Threw it.
i.e دُحُورًاۖ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ وَاصِبٌ-

Repulsed, and for them is a constant/painful punishment.

دحرجَ (dahraja) toroll, roll along, to roll down.
In Surah Inshiqaq - ayah 846 - the word kaDHan

كَدح

advancing towards’ your Master) comes from the word

Dahaa = to Move towards something.

Qirasah

(Round) - Synonymous to

Dahaa

In the hadith of Abi Rafiaa’

و في حديث أبي رافعكنت أُلاعب الحسن و الحسين,رضوان الله عليهما,بالمداحي,هي احجار أمثال القِرصة

“I used to play with Al-Hasan and Al-Hussein, may Allah Almighty be pleased with them, with AL-MADAAHI, which means STONES that look like AL-QIRASAH.”

So what does Al-Qirasah mean?

According to Lisan Al-Arab dictionary , Book 4, Page 516

القِرصة(al-qirasah) قرِّصي العجين أي سوِّيهقِرصة- Cut the dough into small round pieces.
القِرصة(al-qirasah) قرص الشمس اي عينها -The qurs of the sun means the eye of the sun, which is round.

2nd Meaning

Dahaa = Round and Spherical

The following statements are phrases which have been used in our Islamic history from many centuries ago

إندحَّ بطنه إندحاحاّ اي إتّسع
His tummy became round and bigger.

In Prophet Muhammad’s Hadith
كان لأسامة بطننٌ مُندحٌ اي متسع
Osama had a round and big tummy.
و بطنٌ مُنداحُ أي خارخٌ مُدوّر
His tummy is mun-daahun means it is OUT THERE AND ROUND مُدوّر.

و رجلٌّ دحدحُ اي قصير غليظ البطن
A man is dahda-hun which means he is short, stocky and has a big and fat tummy.

الدحداح هو المستدير الململم
The dahdaah is the person who is ROUND and STOCKY.

الدِردِحة من النساء التي طولها و عرضها سواء
Al-dir-dihati from the women is the one whose height and width look the same! SHE LOOKS ROUND,and the by the way, the distance between the earth’s north and south poles is approximately only 45 miles shorter than the earth’s width.
Ustadh

(Teacher)

Nouman Ali Khan

says about this ayah in his Tafseer

(35 minutes );

The word;

Daha - Dahwa - the egg of an Ostrich.

Ud-hiyyah - the place where the ostrich lays its egg.

So some have said that because there is an implication of Daha being something similar (like an ostrich’s egg) and Allah has used this word - it is possible that it has this implication in it. And Allah knows best.

continue reading
http//linguisticmiracle.com/naziat

In his book, The Qur'ân and the Orientalists, Dr. Muhammad Mohar Ali, former Professor of the History of Islam at the Islamic University of Madinah and Al-Imâm University in Riyadh, provides an extensive and detailed discussion on the Qur'anic view of the earth. Here is a relevant excerpt

Now, the very first expression in the series, dahâhâ, is noticeably distinctive and different in genre from the rest. Watt, following many other previous translators, renders it as “spread out”. But the exact and correct meaning of the term, keeping in view its root, rather provides a very positive Qur'anic evidence in support of the spherical shape of the earth. For dahâ means to “shape like an egg”, its noun being dahiyah, which the Arabs still use to mean an egg.

M. FATHÎ ‘UTHMAN, “Al-'ard Fî al-Qur'ân al-Karâm”, Proceedings of the First Islamic Geographical Conference“, Riyadh, 1404/1984, Vol. IV, 127; A. M. SOLIMAN, Scientific Trends in teh Qur'ân, London (Ta-Ha Publications), 1985, p. 16.

(

M. Mohar Ali, The Qur'ân and the Orientalists, Jam'iyat 'Ihyaa’ Minhaaj Al-Sunnah 2004, p.75)

Click to View Image Image 1 Ostrich Egg .

Click to View Image Image 2 Earth similar in shape to Ostrich Egg.

3rd meaning
Dahaa

Expanse
Evened
Balanced
Equalled.
Levelled.

دحا (daha) دحّفي الثّرى بيتاً إذا وسعه - He expandedthe house.

دحى (daha) الدُّحُحْ(al-duhuh), which is plural of دحى - daha, which meansالارضون الممتدّة expandedearths.
دحا (daha) مدحوحاّأي مُسوّى - maDhoohaa which is similar in meaning to; muSawwa = evened, balanced, equaled, leveled.

4th meaning
Dihya = Best, extremely powerful, and exalted.

دحا (daha) الدّواح أي العظيم الشديد العلو al-dawwah is something that isgreat, extremely powerful, and exalted.

دحا (daha) الدِّحْية هو رئيس الجُند,و به سمِّي دِحية الكلبي Al-dihyais the leader of the soldiers, and from this was namedDihya Al-Kalbay,

الدِّحْية هو رئيس القوم و سيدهم -Al-dihyaisthe chief of the tribe or the group and the BEST AMONG THEM و سيدهم.

Planet earth is indeed the best planet in our Solar System. It is the only planet that has water, life and Paradise-like Scenic Views. The others are dead planets with no life like that of earth’s exists on them
Definitions of Daha - according to

Lisan Al-Arab dictionary , Book 2, Pages 215-218.
Lisan Al-Arab dictionary , Book 8, Pages 236-238.
Al-Muheet dictionary , Page 1179.
Al-Muajam Al-Waseet dictionary , Pages 272-274.
Al-Mawrid dictionary Arabic-English section , Page 537.
Arabic-English dictionary the Hans Wehr dictionary , Page 273

Conclusion

So based on all of these meanings, what do we find?

We find that

1- The earth is a moving object that waspushed or thrown by Allah Almighty into space.

2- The earth is a qurs and indahhat and is dihdaaha, which means it is around and a spherical object.

3- The earth is mad-hooha ( مدحوحا), which is balanced and evened.

4- The earth is dihya, which means it isthe best among its group. This is true since all of the planets in our solar system are pretty much similar to our moon. They are lifeless and have no life and no water in them. Earth, on the other hand, has (1)ample water, which is why it is called the BLUE PLANET, (2)ample life, and even(3) Paradise-like views and nature in places such as Hawaii, Alaska, the Carribeans, places in Europe, Asia, Africa etc…

5- The earth is also dahdah and dahdaah, which means it is round and compressed.

All these meanings are covered in one word; Daha.

وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ دَحَاهَا

And the Earth after that He

made round/balanced/made best/exalted

it."

https//alquran-science.tumblr.com/post/183444192488/quran-claims-the-earth-to-be-sphere-geoid

and;

ROLLING THE NIGHT OVER THE DAY

5- He created the heavens and the earth truthfully.
He rolls the night over the day, and rolls the day over the night…
39-The Throngs, 5

The Arabic word for “roll” is “yukevviru.” The word is used to describe the act of wrapping a turban around someone’s head. This word was also used in the sense of overlapping of the night and day and vice versa. The reason for the day’s turning into night and the night’s turning into day is due to the spheroid form of the earth. In this verse also we observe implied the sphericity of the world.

http//www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/geoidal-form-of-the-world/

DIAMETERS OF THE EARTH AND SPACE

33- O society of jinns and men, cross the diameters of the heavens
and the earth, if you have the ability, then pass beyond them. But you cannot,
unless you acquire an authorization.
(55- Gracious, 33)

http//www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/diameters-of-the-earth-and-space/

And;

"In addition to 1886, they claim that 7119, which says that God made the earth an expanse (wallahu ja'ala lakumu l-arda bisatan), implies a flat earth. However, the word bisatan means expanse, not flat. They apparently were asleep in kindergarten when the teacher went over shapes and sizes. Flat is a shape. Expansive is a size. For example, a piece of paper is flat, but not expansive. The earth is expansive, but not flat. They make the same mistake in translating and interpreting 5148, which says that God made the earth expansive (farashnaha).

Curiously, they even cite 7930 as evidence that the Quran says the earth is flat, even though it says the exact opposite (that the earth is shperical). 7930 says, according to them, "and the earth, after that, He flattened it, and/or, and the earth, after that, He made it flat" (wa l-arda ba'da dhalika dahaha). They claim the word daha comes from the root for an Arabian ostrich's nest (madahy). According to them, the (now extinct) Arabian ostrich would flatten the ground before it layed it's eggs. Thus, they claim that dahaha means that He (God) flattened the earth like an Arabian ostrich flattens the ground before laying its eggs. However, the linguist, Prof. Martha Schulte-Nafeh, points out in her translation that the word daha also comes from the same root for the ostrich egg itself (dahyah). She points out that in the Libyan dialect, they still sometimes use the word dahyah for egg in addition to the more frequently used word baydah. Thus, she translates dahaha as "He made it egg-shaped". Now, take a look at this painting of an Arabian ostrich's nest from al-Jahiz's 9th century book on animals, "kitab al-hayawan"

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_Ostrich

Does the nest (madahy) look "flat" to you? The eggs (dahy) do look spherical to me, though. In addition to implying that the earth is spherical like an ostrich's egg, when the Quran talks about the night following the day and the day following the night in 395, it uses the verb yukawiru. Yukawiru comes from the KWR root, which means to roll or become round/spherical. The Arabic word for sphere, kurah, is derived from the same root.

As for the notion that "Muslim apologists" only recently started interpreting the Quran as saying the earth is round, the 9th century Quran commentator al-Jubba'i interpreted it this way in his now lost commentary. The 11th century scholar, ibn Hazm, interpreted it this way in his book "al-fisal fi l-milal wa l-nihal". And The 12th centery Quran commentator, ar-Razi, also interpreted it this way.

In addition to the aforementioned Muslim scholars, other Muslim scholars also believed the earth was ROUND

"Muslim scholars who held to the round Earth theory used it for a quintessentially Islamic purpose to calculate the distance and direction from any given point on the Earth to Makkah (Mecca). This determined the Qibla, or Muslim direction of prayer.

"A terrestrial globe (Kura-i-ard) was among the presents sent by the Persian Muslim astronomer Jamal-al-Din to Kubla Khan in 1267. It was made of wood on which "seven parts of water are represented in green, three parts of land in white, with rivers, lakes etc." Ho Peng Yoke remarks that "it did not seem to have any general appeal to the Chinese in those days"."

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

Because Muslim scholars had to calculate the qibla on a ROUND earth, they practically invented spherical geometry

"Muslims, according to Carra de Vaux, were "unquestionably the inventors of plane and spherical geometry, which did not, strictly speaking, exist among the Greeks". The book of unknown arcs of a sphere written by Islamic mathematician Al-Jayyani is considered to be the first treatise on spherical trigonometry. The book contains formulae for right-handed triangles, the general law of sines, and the solution of a spherical triangle by means of the polar triangle.

"The book On Triangles by Regiomontanus, written around 1463, is the first pure trigonometrical work in Europe. However, Gerolamo Cardano noted a century later that much of the material there on spherical trigonometry was taken from the twelfth-century work of the Spanish Islamic scholar Jabir ibn Aflah."

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth#Islamic_world

I should also point out that the Muslim scholar, al-Biruni, calculated the circumference of the ROUND earth in the 11th century. And the Muslim scholar, Ali Qushji, asserted that this ROUND earth was rotating in the 15th century. And here's a painting of Ottoman Muslim scholars studying a ROUND earth in the 16th century
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Taqi_al_din.jpg
"

https//www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1267.0

And;

Earth is spherical and in motion according to the Glorious Quran

https//www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm

jkhan

Indeed, within the heavens and earth are signs for the believers.

The above verse 4503 and such similar verses always reminded me that we need to know the truth of Heavens /skies and Earth within nature...
God stated SIGNS in HEAVEANS and EARTH for BELIEVERS.. .. I always wondered how can one peeceive and know the SIGNS in the Samawathi and Ard (skies and Earth) if he doesn't know what actually they both are... What SIGNS one would get if the whole creation is a lie.. Believing that a star is 2000 times bigger than our Sun and sun is 400 times bigger than moon... Is that a sign for a believer? Signs are not signs for believers unless believer figure out what God's creature is... Unless you know what earth and skies are how come you find signs in it?
Unless a believer study the nature of God's creations.. He would never get the signs... I don't mind if the verse says there are signs in the heavens and earth for those who are intelligent but God used the word believers at the end..
It seems real believers are intelligent to perceive what God created be it now in modern era or in ancient time.. They OR we all living in same earth ...

Emre_1974tr

and;

ROLLING THE NIGHT OVER THE DAY

5- He created the heavens and the earth truthfully.
He rolls the night over the day, and rolls the day over the night…
39-The Throngs, 5

The Arabic word for “roll” is “yukevviru.” The word is used to describe the act of wrapping a turban around someone’s head. This word was also used in the sense of overlapping of the night and day and vice versa. The reason for the day’s turning into night and the night’s turning into day is due to the spheroid form of the earth. In this verse also we observe implied the sphericity of the world.

http//www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/geoidal-form-of-the-world/

DIAMETERS OF THE EARTH AND SPACE

33- O society of jinns and men, cross the diameters of the heavens
and the earth, if you have the ability, then pass beyond them. But you cannot,
unless you acquire an authorization.
(55- Gracious, 33)

http//www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/diameters-of-the-earth-and-space/

And;

"In addition to 1886, they claim that 7119, which says that God made the earth an expanse (wallahu ja'ala lakumu l-arda bisatan), implies a flat earth. However, the word bisatan means expanse, not flat. They apparently were asleep in kindergarten when the teacher went over shapes and sizes. Flat is a shape. Expansive is a size. For example, a piece of paper is flat, but not expansive. The earth is expansive, but not flat. They make the same mistake in translating and interpreting 5148, which says that God made the earth expansive (farashnaha).

Curiously, they even cite 7930 as evidence that the Quran says the earth is flat, even though it says the exact opposite (that the earth is shperical). 7930 says, according to them, "and the earth, after that, He flattened it, and/or, and the earth, after that, He made it flat" (wa l-arda ba'da dhalika dahaha). They claim the word daha comes from the root for an Arabian ostrich's nest (madahy). According to them, the (now extinct) Arabian ostrich would flatten the ground before it layed it's eggs. Thus, they claim that dahaha means that He (God) flattened the earth like an Arabian ostrich flattens the ground before laying its eggs. However, the linguist, Prof. Martha Schulte-Nafeh, points out in her translation that the word daha also comes from the same root for the ostrich egg itself (dahyah). She points out that in the Libyan dialect, they still sometimes use the word dahyah for egg in addition to the more frequently used word baydah. Thus, she translates dahaha as "He made it egg-shaped". Now, take a look at this painting of an Arabian ostrich's nest from al-Jahiz's 9th century book on animals, "kitab al-hayawan"

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_Ostrich

Does the nest (madahy) look "flat" to you? The eggs (dahy) do look spherical to me, though. In addition to implying that the earth is spherical like an ostrich's egg, when the Quran talks about the night following the day and the day following the night in 395, it uses the verb yukawiru. Yukawiru comes from the KWR root, which means to roll or become round/spherical. The Arabic word for sphere, kurah, is derived from the same root.

As for the notion that "Muslim apologists" only recently started interpreting the Quran as saying the earth is round, the 9th century Quran commentator al-Jubba'i interpreted it this way in his now lost commentary. The 11th century scholar, ibn Hazm, interpreted it this way in his book "al-fisal fi l-milal wa l-nihal". And The 12th centery Quran commentator, ar-Razi, also interpreted it this way.

In addition to the aforementioned Muslim scholars, other Muslim scholars also believed the earth was ROUND

"Muslim scholars who held to the round Earth theory used it for a quintessentially Islamic purpose to calculate the distance and direction from any given point on the Earth to Makkah (Mecca). This determined the Qibla, or Muslim direction of prayer.

"A terrestrial globe (Kura-i-ard) was among the presents sent by the Persian Muslim astronomer Jamal-al-Din to Kubla Khan in 1267. It was made of wood on which "seven parts of water are represented in green, three parts of land in white, with rivers, lakes etc." Ho Peng Yoke remarks that "it did not seem to have any general appeal to the Chinese in those days"."

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

Because Muslim scholars had to calculate the qibla on a ROUND earth, they practically invented spherical geometry

"Muslims, according to Carra de Vaux, were "unquestionably the inventors of plane and spherical geometry, which did not, strictly speaking, exist among the Greeks". The book of unknown arcs of a sphere written by Islamic mathematician Al-Jayyani is considered to be the first treatise on spherical trigonometry. The book contains formulae for right-handed triangles, the general law of sines, and the solution of a spherical triangle by means of the polar triangle.

"The book On Triangles by Regiomontanus, written around 1463, is the first pure trigonometrical work in Europe. However, Gerolamo Cardano noted a century later that much of the material there on spherical trigonometry was taken from the twelfth-century work of the Spanish Islamic scholar Jabir ibn Aflah."

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth#Islamic_world

I should also point out that the Muslim scholar, al-Biruni, calculated the circumference of the ROUND earth in the 11th century. And the Muslim scholar, Ali Qushji, asserted that this ROUND earth was rotating in the 15th century. And here's a painting of Ottoman Muslim scholars studying a ROUND earth in the 16th century
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Taqi_al_din.jpg
"

https//www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1267.0

And;

Earth is spherical and in motion according to the Glorious Quran

https//www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm

According to the holy Qur'an, the earth is a rotating sphere in space

https//www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#geology_moving_earth_rain

Peace

ade_cool

Salam jkhan,

Watch a ship sail off to sea
Without being in the sky, it is impossible to see the curvature of the Earth. However, you can always see a demonstration of this if you visit a harbor or any place with a wide-open view of the water.
If you are able to watch a ship sail off to sea, watch its mast and flag as it fades off into the distance. You will notice that, in fact, it does not "fade off into the distance" at all; instead, you will see its mast and flag appear to slowly sink. The ship sailed beyond the point at which you would see it. Just to be sure, bring a pair of binoculars with you so that you can see even farther off into the distance.
It's as if you're watching it go over to the other side of a hill. This phenomenon can only be explained by a sphere-shaped planet.

above is the best explanation of the Globe Earthers.. All scientists say the same..
Let me ask those who are open and rational in their reflection…
Have you ever witnessed a ship sailing and disappear at the horizon? Perhaps most of you..
The possible distance that you see with your naked eye roughly 5kms.. First you see the mast disappear and the flag… BUT have you ever noticed how long it takes it to disappear? I saw a huge ship perhaps 7 floors in it and it reached to the extreme horizon to our naked eye… Then it took only one minute to disappear from my eyes.. Approximately ship may be 100 feet since it had 7 floors… So my coherent question to all those use their own wits is how can such a tall ship disappear that quickly coz of curvature of the earth?
Suppose if you see a man in a 50 feet hill and if he goes down from the hill to other side, first you will see his legs disappear and up until his hips and shoulder and head…it depends on how steep/slope the hill is? If the hill is 45 degree from all angel you will see him disappear so fast if he walk in normal pace…

So apply the same logic for ship and horizon? How can such a tall ship disappear for the reason of curvature of the earth which is just at the distance of 5 kms? So at 5 km distance we see 100 feet slop / steep or rather curvature? That’s total rubbish.. (Coz science say only 8 inches for every mile).. contrary to that if such a slope is there at 5 km distance, then if you look at the area where ship disappeared from an altitude you should inevitably observe a big steep/slope ..

So it is obvious it is not the reason of curvature but it is the maximum distance in which objects (moving/ship) disappear for naked eye..

If the disappearance is due to maximum distance for naked eye, then when using binoculars one should be able to see again what has disappeared in case the earth is flat.

If the disappearance is due to curvature, then using binoculars will not help.

jkhan

Salam jkhan,

If the disappearance is due to maximum distance for naked eye, then when using binoculars one should be able to see again what has disappeared in case the earth is flat.

If the disappearance is due to curvature, then using binoculars will not help.

Peace... Ade cool

Well.. You have not researched enough to raise this question... Otherwise you wouldn't have raised.. Binoculars are nothing.. Thanks to latest technology we can see moving objects at the horizon even after it dissapeared it appears.. Such cameras are real worth buying dude.. I wish I have one now.. Lol..
Note well.. The naked eye and latest technology of lenses of cameras are not different.. Camera catches same as what our eye sight.. For example for our sight street light poles seems to be touching floor at the diatance..even camera catches the same.. Though it is not our eye sight.. But they are powerful than our eyesight.. That's why they even catch the vanished object again in horizon.. But nothing can catch beyond a limit.. Coz natural eyesight and camera technology is same.. Let's hope they develop further so that we catch objects which are dissapeared 10 minutes before also visible.. But for your question there is definitely cameras which captures objects that dissapeared in horizon already to naked eyes from the same altitude..
Thank you.. Hope you reflect upon it..

Iyyaka

peace, with over 3000 satellites launched by numerous countries including GPS technology which flat earth believers use is like arguing with ~ 20 million Americans that believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows! laugh

strawman's argument when stuck with nothing to say relevant to topic.. rotfl rotfl
clear hypocrisy

Sorry Bro but it is so ridiculous...

According to your own definition of hypocrisy "Hypocrites are those after knowing the truth still act as they do not know.. That's one of the key of being a hypocrite.." (https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607938.10), and after watching this video (https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDU-rZs-Ic4), ask yourself who is an "hypocrite" ?

NB

If you do not take the Quran as a book of science (in its modern acceptation) then you will see that you will not have to choose between the Quran and modern science (or like others to twist the words of the Quran or making fragile interpolations to teach us that the Quran had predicted the future scientific insights of our time)

jkhan

strawman's argument when stuck with nothing to say relevant to topic.. rotfl rotfl
clear hypocrisy

Sorry Bro but it is so ridiculous...

According to your own definition of hypocrisy "Hypocrites are those after knowing the truth still act as they do not know.. That's one of the key of being a hypocrite.." (https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607938.10), and after watching this video (https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDU-rZs-Ic4), ask yourself who is an "hypocrite" ?

NB

If you do not take the Quran as a book of science (in its modern acceptation) then you will see that you will not have to choose between the Quran and modern science (or like others to twist the words of the Quran or making fragile interpolations to teach us that the Quran had predicted the future scientific insights of our time)

No need to be sorry...
God says you know them by their tone...

jkhan

3640 “It is not allowable/permitted /befit (yanbaghī) for the sun to reach/overtake/grasp the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming.

The above verse in comparison with modern science in relation to the universe and our solar system makes me to laugh at .. I am not mocking the verse of God… This verse makes me to ponder how solar system and Universe is possible with the above verse…
Sun cannot overtake moon? That’s really uproarious … only sensible people would get the depth of this verse…

truth

3640 'The sun cannot eclipse the moon, nor can (the darkness of) night take precedence over (the light of) day. They all revolve fluidly.'

Translations of this verse have not been interpreted with the knowledge of science that we have discovered since the revelation of The Quran. Trying to use Classical Arabic to synthesise or hypothesise a novel 'truth' in a prosaic fashion is a recipe for going astray.

The entire verse is consistent with known scientific principles.

The word root 'daraka' is translated as catching up or overtaking. If one understands this correctly then it is simply saying that the sun is not the moving element in the solar system. It does not pass between the moon and the earth in effect 'overtaking' it so this tells us that the moon is orbiting the earth and the sun can never eclipse the moon. There is a miraculous element in this in that it states the observable facts correctly since the moon can eclipse the sun but not vice versa.
The word root 'sabaqa' also has a sense of outrunning but here it means precedence. This is telling us that there is no such thing as 'darkness' which is simply the absence of light. One side of the earth facing away from the sun is dark and the other facing the sun is light, neither can move over the other telling us that the position of the sun again is the fixed element. The 'edges' of the light and darkness are phenomena associated with illumination from one direction.
The word root 'falaka' (note its similarity to 'falaqa' which is daybreak or dawn) has the sense of 'orbit' and I have translated as revolving as that is what each celestial structure is known to do. The earth revolves on its axis and around the sun. The moon revolves in a tidal lock facing the earth (so we see one face of it perpetually) and yet orbits around the earth. The sun revolves also and orbits the galactic centre which in turn is attached to its cluster and so on.
The word root 'sabaha' indicates that the motion is all fluid and happens without undue perturbances and is effectively only perceptible to us by its effects on light and what we see rather than movement that we can feel.

jkhan

3640 'The sun cannot eclipse the moon, nor can (the darkness of) night take precedence over (the light of) day. They all revolve fluidly.'

Translations of this verse have not been interpreted with the knowledge of science that we have discovered since the revelation of The Quran. Trying to use Classical Arabic to synthesise or hypothesise a novel 'truth' in a prosaic fashion is a recipe for going astray.

The entire verse is consistent with known scientific principles.

Salam...
Thank you..
I have not seen anyone translating it as ECLIPSE.. i don't mind you translated it.. but my point is not in translation ... my point is how it befit to Universe and Solar system according to Science..

Suppose if you are convinced that the verse says it is eclipse let me know kindly... According to science will Sun ever come in between Earth and Moon ... you may say .. yes that's what Quran says Sun cannot eclipse the Moon.. But is it worth saying? Even sun comes in between Earth and and Moon, do you think it can eclipse Moon while the size of the sun is 400 times bigger than moon according to science.. So the word Eclipse in my understanding doesn't befit.. But I am happy with all the translations traditionally translated ... But according to science it never befits...So my understanding of stationary earth still befits for myself within Quran.. Coz sun and moon floating in its orbit in the midst of Sky... and both sun and moon are placed in the midst of sky... not 93 million miles away from moon...
thank you brother

truth

Peace to you also,

My translation was in keeping with both the sense of the root words and our understanding of solar system mechanics through science (in which I am a believer in a heliocentric system with a round earth that manifests the signs mentioned in the verse).

Your position is problematic in that the 'facts' which you appear to accept such as the sun being 400 times bigger and being 93 million miles (ie. 400 times) further away than the moon are stated without qualification as to why you accept them or how you know them to be true?

Does the Quran mention that the sun is 400 times bigger or 400 times further away than the moon?

How do you know these things? Why do you accept them as true? Is it a case of pick and choose?

The sun being 400 times bigger than the moon or 400 times further away would not have been obvious to someone 1400 years ago. They could not measure the distances or have known that the sun could never ever come between the earth and the moon (they thought it could split in two and fall into someone's backyard!). Today we do know that it cannot, and it accords with The Quran as I have translated it here so again it is an example of 'out of place' scientific knowledge. So it is like other such facts which have later been discovered to be consistent with scientific knowledge, which is a manifestation of a miracle in its own right.

Salam...
Thank you..
I have not seen anyone translating it as ECLIPSE.. i don't mind you translated it.. but my point is not in translation ... my point is how it befit to Universe and Solar system according to Science..

Suppose if you are convinced that the verse says it is eclipse let me know kindly... According to science will Sun ever come in between Earth and Moon ... you may say .. yes that's what Quran says Sun cannot eclipse the Moon.. But is it worth saying? Even sun comes in between Earth and and Moon, do you think it can eclipse Moon while the size of the sun is 400 times bigger than moon according to science.. So the word Eclipse in my understanding doesn't befit.. But I am happy with all the translations traditionally translated ... But according to science it never befits...So my understanding of stationary earth still befits for myself within Quran.. Coz sun and moon floating in its orbit in the midst of Sky... and both sun and moon are placed in the midst of sky... not 93 million miles away from moon...
thank you brother

jkhan

Peace to you also,

My translation was in keeping with both the sense of the root words and our understanding of solar system mechanics through science (in which I am a believer in a heliocentric system with a round earth that manifests the signs mentioned in the verse).

Your position is problematic in that the 'facts' which you appear to accept such as the sun being 400 times bigger and being 93 million miles (ie. 400 times) further away than the moon are stated without qualification as to why you accept them or how you know them to be true?

Does the Quran mention that the sun is 400 times bigger or 400 times further away than the moon?

How do you know these things? Why do you accept them as true? Is it a case of pick and choose?

The sun being 400 times bigger than the moon or 400 times further away would not have been obvious to someone 1400 years ago. They could not measure the distances or have known that the sun could never ever come between the earth and the moon (they thought it could split in two and fall into someone's backyard!). Today we do know that it cannot, and it accords with The Quran as I have translated it here so again it is an example of 'out of place' scientific knowledge. So it is like other such facts which have later been discovered to be consistent with scientific knowledge, which is a manifestation of a miracle in its own right.

peace again..
quite strange... I don't mind what you believe ... it is between you and your Lord.. thing is whether God accept or not or God created what you say or not...

anyway dude.. If Sun is not 400 times bigger than Moon and not 93 million miles away from us or for that matter from Moon, HOW ACCORDING TO SCIENCE FULL SOLAR ECLIPSE DO OCCUR? either believe in science or believe in Quran fully... taking from both partially won't work out... don't feel bad for what i say... but that's what i get from your reply...
thank you.. God guide us..

truth

Peace,

As do I not mind what you believe but that is not the point here.

The point is that one must have a logical reason as to why they believe the things they do. I am not disputing the 400 times the size and distance facts. I accept them as scientifically discovered facts and in agreement with all observations, just like I accept that I can repeat the experiment of Eratosthenes who calculated the circumference of the round earth based on the shadows cast by sunlight at solar noon at different points on the earth at equivalent times.

The epistemological basis for the knowledge that you believe in is not consistent based on what I understand of your understanding of a 'stationary earth' (which I think you believe is flat). Maybe you have not presented your view clearly enough. What I am pointing out is that the same source of knowledge for the fact that the sun is 400 times larger and 400 times further away than the moon, which is the reason the moon can eclipse the sun; is the same source of knowledge which confirms scientifically that the earth is round and orbits around the sun while spinning on its own axis.

A solar eclipse is thus a manifestation of these scientific truths because their occurrence can be calculated based on the heliocentric model of the solar system. Does your belief system have a means to predict or calculate such things?

peace again..
quite strange... I don't mind what you believe ... it is between you and your Lord.. thing is whether God accept or not or God created what you say or not...

anyway dude.. If Sun is not 400 times bigger than Moon and not 93 million miles away from us or for that matter from Moon, HOW ACCORDING TO SCIENCE FULL SOLAR ECLIPSE DO OCCUR? either believe in science or believe in Quran fully... taking from both partially won't work out... don't feel bad for what i say... but that's what i get from your reply...
thank you.. God guide us..

jkhan

Peace,

As do I not mind what you believe but that is not the point here.

The point is that one must have a logical reason as to why they believe the things they do. I am not disputing the 400 times the size and distance facts. I accept them as scientifically discovered facts and in agreement with all observations, just like I accept that I can repeat the experiment of Eratosthenes who calculated the circumference of the round earth based on the shadows cast by sunlight at solar noon at different points on the earth at equivalent times.

The epistemological basis for the knowledge that you believe in is not consistent based on what I understand of your understanding of a 'stationary earth' (which I think you believe is flat). Maybe you have not presented your view clearly enough. What I am pointing out is that the same source of knowledge for the fact that the sun is 400 times larger and 400 times further away than the moon, which is the reason the moon can eclipse the sun; is the same source of knowledge which confirms scientifically that the earth is round and orbits around the sun while spinning on its own axis.

A solar eclipse is thus a manifestation of these scientific truths because their occurrence can be calculated based on the heliocentric model of the solar system. Does your belief system have a means to predict or calculate such things?

peace...
it is okay dude... coz that's what you believe and you feel that what science says is not contrary to what quran states..
Yes i may not have the knowledge of what Scientist say about the earth and heaven or even for that matter as you say about eclipses, but the verses of Quran not support unfortunately, otherwise i would have accepted the heliocentric model while i was studying in college..

that's why long before i opened a thread saying "width of heaven and width of earth, are they equal"...
Anyway keep researching ...
God bless you

jkhan

10 101 Say, "Observe what is in the heavens and earth." But of no avail will be signs or warners to a people who do not believe

2108 “…. . .. And whoever exchanges disbelief for belief has certainly strayed from the soundness of the way.

The Heliocentric person and the one who opposes both observe what is in the Heavens and Earth… But what the former observes is what is taught for him and the later observes against to what was taught to him.. So clear disparity …. And the verse continues.. For whom even after observing the heavens and Earth it will be of no avail?… So SIGNS and warnings to a people who do not believe is fruitless and immaterial.. Now who is that who doesn’t believe? Is it Heliocentric group or opposition? God knows best…

Look at the other verse”2108.. Those who exchanges Disbelief with Belief… So… We disbelieve in what you believe and you disbelieve in what we believe.. so strayed from the soundness of the way..

Yes common for both parties… But we don’t say about the unseen as if seen and convinced, but Heliocentric believers believe what is never seen and accept as truth.. We only say it is not possible.. and we argue against it with logic… but they mock, coz science has accepted it.... thank you..

So.. one of the parties exchanged the disbelief with belief and the signs they observe in the heavens and earth is not real signs but assumptions.. One of the parties of two definitely a disbeliever in the real creation of God..

truth

Dear jkhan; peace be upon you.

The reason I raised the issue of calculation of eclipses is that roundness, orbiting, periodicity are things that we both experience and that we can thereby calculate by.

Verse 555
'The sun and the moon, calculation'

Remember that this is in the context of Al-Rahman, The All Capable being The Teacher. We develop from language to calculation. We can through understanding how to calculate, now know something about how the concept of prophecy is able to be constructed in an eternal and universal way through numerical evaluation. By being able to label all the concepts that define our time and other points in time, and using the discovered formulas we can calculate past and future celestial events such as eclipses with great accuracy.

The stationary flat earth of experience is unable to move beyond its static state because it is a limited world view. Calculations in this world state are either not possible or not straightforward or elegant; and do not accord with visible or observable evidence of sphericity (such as the photobombing of astro-pictures by man made satellite streaks that reflect sunlight like the moon does), in a flat plane earth model.

Because of this prophecy of calculability and its importance in science for establishing truth we must understand that The God teaches all humanity. His favour extends to whomever He wills and He is All Capable. Not an atomic particle nor field escapes His awareness.

The manifestation in our era of copious numerical miracles that have been increasingly uncovered in Koran metrics is truly astonishing also in this respect. So think and contemplate that 555 shows that calculation of celestial periods and ratios like the Metonic cycle are prophesied as Signs in the universe that we can verify observationally and using instruments. The God is fully aware of all that we do.

The human is created after The God Teaches The Quran that is manifest to us as the shared world 'interface' that we experience. The human is then taught eloquence and explication through this experiential interface that The God has mercifully provided us with. Humanity first learns to articulate and then to calculate and recognise patterns in this interface. At the appointed time, the miracle of The Nineteen Sign is uncovered in a provably ancient text called The Koran and this leads to it being explained in ways that it has not been previously.

It is truly one of the Great Signs that humanity has been taught.