Marrying modern day christians is haram based on Quran
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I don't understand what you say...
What Ya doesn't apply to us.. We do exist... Don't we?Look at verse 2153 ... Is it common or only for people of Mohamed..
Every ayah is being said through the mouth of messenger.. Even it has Ya or not. When mohamed says Ya iy doesn't mean He directly speaks.. God speaks with Ya.. God can speak to them as well us with Ya.. We do exist..
Regarding 6010 it is for that specific people.. But it doesn't mean it won't apply to others.. What would others do in such situations when women comes.. Just neglect.. That's bizzare.. I wish people use more comparison and own wits.. For example if a verse says Ya and don't raise your voice above Prophet then it is only meant for those Believers.. Not for us... So many examples like that within Quran..
You're mistaken. You didn't exist when it was being said, so you were not part of the message.
2153 is also addressing them Aamanu, not the general aslamu. There's a difference between aamanu and aslamu as mentioned in 4914. A person can aslam but not aamanu.
If YA was talking to people in front of the Prophet, than YA is living people not dead or non-existing. You're providing evidence in support of YA being restrictive.
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Also 2208
There are 89 verses in the quran that use ya ayuhal lathina amanu. To say they were only for the people of the time makes no sense. Islam is not an anything goes religion
I'm talking specifically about the Quraan, not Islaam. Islaam and Muslims predate the Quraan.
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It does apply to all muslims, and I’m happy we agree on something
It literally said Aamanu, not Muslims. You're adding your own word into the ayah.
Not every Muslim is from the Aamanu. That's what you're not understanding. There's a difference between the two. Read 49;19.
4919 should humble you.
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It literally said Aamanu, not Muslims. You're adding your own word into the ayah.
Not every Muslim is from the Aamanu. That's what you're not understanding. There's a difference between the two. Read 49;19.
4919 should humble you.
4919? I could not find that verse
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It literally said Aamanu, not Muslims. You're adding your own word into the ayah.
Not every Muslim is from the Aamanu. That's what you're not understanding. There's a difference between the two. Read 49;19.
4919 should humble you.
Arguing semantics here, i do not what the relevance of your point is to the discussion
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Lol so you are are saying i’m not one of those who believe?
Of course not, you weren't even born.
in fact you clearly said you follow sunnah. That alone violates the Quraan. Forget about aamanu, your aslamu is questionable since you're already doing shirk.
But lets not talk about you. Stick with the Quraan and its audience who it was addressing. Those ayaat were directed at a specific people who don't exist anymore.
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6010 is not talking about marriage with kaafiraat. Part which confuses you is talking about not keeping (giving protection) for refugees who're female kaafir; if they're recognized as believing women they can be married.
55 is talking about marriage with women from ehl-ul-kitaab, which is not same as Christians. Ehl-ul-kitaab are only those who're working according to el-kitaab they accepted.
There's a phrase at the start of 571 and 572, and it's le-qad, which you need to understand. It's not about what Christians done, but what kaafiroon of Benu Isra'il done. Today, Christians follow what these people left behind them, without questioning.
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Great reminder for us all
An-Nahl (16116)
وَ لَا تَقُوۡلُوۡا لِمَا تَصِفُ اَلۡسِنَتُکُمُ الۡکَذِبَ ہٰذَا حَلٰلٌ وَّ ہٰذَا حَرَامٌ لِّتَفۡتَرُوۡا عَلَی اللّٰہِ الۡکَذِبَ ؕ اِنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ یَفۡتَرُوۡنَ عَلَی اللّٰہِ الۡکَذِبَ لَا یُفۡلِحُوۡنَ
And not, for what your tongues asserts, the lie, 'This is lawful and this is unlawful', so that you forge a lie against Allah; surely those who forge the lie against Allah shall not prosper.
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Of course not, you weren't even born.
in fact you clearly said you follow sunnah. That alone violates the Quraan. Forget about aamanu, your aslamu is questionable since you're already doing shirk.
But lets not talk about you. Stick with the Quraan and its audience who it was addressing. Those ayaat were directed at a specific people who don't exist anymore.
Amanu can mean either believe or believed. It does not strictly mean believed. So your point is not valid
Where is the shirk? Quran tells us we have to pray, I use the sunnah to know how to pray.
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You're mistaken. You didn't exist when it was being said, so you were not part of the message.
2153 is also addressing them Aamanu, not the general aslamu. There's a difference between aamanu and aslamu as mentioned in 4914. A person can aslam but not aamanu.
If YA was talking to people in front of the Prophet, than YA is living people not dead or non-existing. You're providing evidence in support of YA being restrictive.
Well... You get me not or you intentionally act as you don't get.....
Who taught you that for God YA means existing and not valid for those were dead and not yet born.
God communicates with those who read His book.. You are not matured enough to grasp what Ya by God... Are you?
Don't misunderstand my wording... Coz you are... God never spoke in Quran only for those who are born and living and after death for others it doesn't applicable.. Wow.. What a logic.. When Quran was revealed Torah and Injeel was in tact... If in those books Ya is there does it mean Ya doesn't apply. But God directly say to them follow Torah and Injeel while quran is revealed.. So those books were valid at that time..Why you twist verse I brought 2153... Unknown what aslam means.. Don't bring irrelevant word here..
Look at verse 4913 ... Ya Ayyuhannas... You know what it means.. So here does that mean God address only those who lived while the verse was revealed and never applicable to people who born later. Is the verse applicable to us or not? Even you say Yes or No I don't mind.. Coz I understood your fallacy of thought...
So according to 2153 Don't you want to pray... Coz God says Ya ayyhalzena Amanu... And prayer is mentioned.. So prayers only for people of Mohamed and not for us..Bro.. To say simply I believe in God and the believers are different ... Believers are commited and come to a rank it status and their next perhaps to become muttaqun... In that angle meaning believe differ..
In 4914 they said almost like they are believers.. In fact they do believe but they can't be bekeievers coz it is a status Gof only can give that... But we can say we believe in God and His books.. So we are Muslim...
Can one say I am a muttaqun..? No way.. God decides who siddiqun or muttaqun who believers etc.
Believe is just a word to have some faith. Not deep rooted.
Those badouin were just Muslims coz they have surrendered to God.. But they have not developed their faith (Eemanai) and not continuously practiced good deeds... That's makes a believer..
Here whenever God says Ya ayyuhallazeena Amanu .it doesn't mean they are true believers and perfect.. They just believe in God and they guidance.. So God call them as such..You failed to grasp that the verses of Quran is from God and not Mohamed.. Coz you think when these Ya is used Mohamed is communicating with people. God communicates.. Why God needs to add a Ya IN verse any way Mohamed is gonna speak to people. .foesnt mohamed know to say Ya when he addresses people.. Just ponder.. Coz all words are from God.
God says gor example.. Kul.. Then says Ya... Mohamed doesn't need go to people and speak " Kul and Ya. Beginning with Ya is enough..
He is reading Quran and passing message are two things..
Lastly.. For God Ya is always okay.. Coz He addresses living and the people to come as well. He preserved Quran not just to address people of Mohamed.
For example.. God says in Quran you will see on that pregnant woman forget her child .. Will mohamed live to see this or his people. Only those wake are living will see on that day. So God address them as well. .coz they will witness what God predicts..
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Yes, it is forbidden to marry a Christian who believes in the Trinity. It is forbidden to marry a Christian who ascribes divinity to Jesus or any other servant.
It is also forbidden to marry a pantheistic Sufi who worships the universe and himself. Even on this forum there are pantheists who worship nature, for example, and it is haram to marry them.
Peace
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People are adament on FORBIDING matters...
Well Believing men of any ethnicty is never forbidden for believing women of any ethnicty... That's so simplified.. Unless they are according to 423-24 ( FORBIDDEN).. OR.. 243 (FORBIDDEN) ... OR.. 2221(FORBIDDEN)
anything other than this never forbidden.. But choose always a believing person for marriage if you are one who believes God.. God always recommend a believer to marry another believer...Anyone who reads above verses meticulously they only option is on who believes in One God regardless of ethnicty... ..
Note.. Read 6121 carefully.. And know that his or her one action can easily be deemed by Allah as a mushrik... Action here is not idol worship.. But simply denial of God's instructions..
So decide when it comes marriage who could be mushrik deniers etc... Don't ever trust conventional Muslims until thru follow Quran alone.. They can easily drag you to hell.. -
People are adament on FORBIDING matters...
Well Believing men of any ethnicty is never forbidden for believing women of any ethnicty... That's so simplified.. Unless they are according to 423-24 ( FORBIDDEN).. OR.. 243 (FORBIDDEN) ... OR.. 2221(FORBIDDEN)
anything other than this never forbidden.. But choose always a believing person for marriage if you are one who believes God.. God always recommend a believer to marry another believer...Anyone who reads above verses meticulously they only option is on who believes in One God regardless of ethnicty... ..
Note.. Read 6121 carefully.. And know that his or her one action can easily be deemed by Allah as a mushrik... Action here is not idol worship.. But simply denial of God's instructions..
So decide when it comes marriage who could be mushrik deniers etc... Don't ever trust conventional Muslims until thru follow Quran alone.. They can easily drag you to hell..When did anybody mention ethnicity? We are talking about prohibiting marriage based on ones beliefs
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People are adament on FORBIDING matters...
Well Believing men of any ethnicty is never forbidden for believing women of any ethnicty... That's so simplified.. Unless they are according to 423-24 ( FORBIDDEN).. OR.. 243 (FORBIDDEN) ... OR.. 2221(FORBIDDEN)
anything other than this never forbidden.. But choose always a believing person for marriage if you are one who believes God.. God always recommend a believer to marry another believer...Anyone who reads above verses meticulously they only option is on who believes in One God regardless of ethnicty... ..
Note.. Read 6121 carefully.. And know that his or her one action can easily be deemed by Allah as a mushrik... Action here is not idol worship.. But simply denial of God's instructions..
So decide when it comes marriage who could be mushrik deniers etc... Don't ever trust conventional Muslims until thru follow Quran alone.. They can easily drag you to hell..peace
But that's the thing, who exactly is a mushrik? Are Christians mushriks? Are atheists? Just idolaters? I can't remember the verse but I think there was a verse where mushriks and Christians are two separate groups. Are mushriks everyone who commits shirk?
If a conventional Muslim respects your beliefs and freedom, I don't see why you couldn't marry them. I guess they can influence you but if you stay focused on following the Qur'an alone and stay connected to other believers like on here, you will probably stay on the right path imo
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peace
But that's the thing, who exactly is a mushrik? Are Christians mushriks? Are atheists? Just idolaters? I can't remember the verse but I think there was a verse where mushriks and Christians are two separate groups. Are mushriks everyone who commits shirk?
If a conventional Muslim respects your beliefs and freedom, I don't see why you couldn't marry them. I guess they can influence you but if you stay focused on following the Qur'an alone and stay connected to other believers like on here, you will probably stay on the right path imo
Quran 6010 prohibits us from marrying kuffar
