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Why shirk is a gross sin and unforgivable!

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    Noon_waalqalami
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    #26

    Bro Noon!

    I don't understand your Code and its relevance to the topic we are discussing here.
    But if you refer to Al-Muzzammil method, please take note that this particular method only uses the combination of "Chapter and verse" or "verses alone" and NOT "Chapter alone". Using Chapter alone without verse is null and void!

    not my code it is you who keeps bringing up this nineteen nonsense every other post
    occurrences the almighty throne 19 times which includes 9129 which people reject

    likewise you need to study before posting clueless nonsense like "the arrogant" etc.

    magnify no letter seen

    2 185 ولتكبروا and to magnify ye of
    7 13 تتكبر thou magnify
    7 146 ىتكبرون magnifying
    16 29 المتكبرىن those who magnify they
    22 37 لتكبروا to thou magnify ye of
    39 60 للمتكبرىن for those who magnify they
    39 72 المتكبرىن those who magnify they
    40 27 متكبر who magnify
    40 35 متكبر who magnify
    40 76 المتكبرىن those who magnify they

    verses alone!
    185 13 146 29 37 60 72 27 35 76 = 19 x 97437612072424856504

    l-mutakabiru
    59 23 المتكبر the magnificent (one)

    59 is prime! 23 is prime! 5923 is prime!
    الله 2699 is prime! divisible by only one!

    arrogant/proud with letter seen

    2 34 واستكبر and acts (was) arrogant
    2 87 استكبرتم acts arrogant you (pl.)
    4 172 وىستكبر and acted arrogant
    4 173 واستكبروا and acts arrogant they of
    5 82 ىستكبرون acted arrogantly
    6 93 تستكبرون thou act arrogantly
    7 36 واستكبروا and acts arrogant they of
    7 40 واستكبروا and acts arrogant they of
    7 48 تستكبرون thou act arrogantly
    7 75 استكبروا acts arrogant they of
    7 76 استكبروا acts arrogant they of
    7 88 استكبروا acts arrogant they of
    7 133 فاستكبروا so acts arrogant they of
    7 206 ىستكبرون acted arrogantly
    10 75 فاستكبروا so acts arrogant they of
    14 21 استكبروا acts arrogant they of
    16 22 مستكبرون who act arrogantly
    16 23 المستكبرىن those arrogant being
    16 49 ىستكبرون acted arrogantly
    21 19 ىستكبرون acted arrogantly
    23 46 فاستكبروا so acts arrogant they of
    23 67 مستكبرىن who act arrogant they
    25 21 استكبروا acts arrogant they of
    28 39 واستكبر and acts arrogant
    29 39 فاستكبروا so acts arrogant they of
    31 7 مستكبرا who act arrogantly
    32 15 ىستكبرون acted arrogantly
    34 31 استكبروا acts arrogant they of
    34 32 استكبروا acts arrogant they of
    34 33 استكبروا acts arrogant they of
    35 43 استكبرا istikbaran/acts proud of
    37 35 ىستكبرون acted arrogantly
    38 74 استكبر acts arrogant
    38 75 استكبرت acts arrogant thou
    39 59 واستكبرت and acts arrogant thou
    40 47 استكبروا acts arrogant they of
    40 48 استكبروا acts arrogant they of
    40 60 ىستكبرون acted arrogantly
    41 15 فاستكبروا so acts arrogant they of
    41 38 استكبروا acts arrogant they of
    45 8 مستكبرا who act arrogantly
    45 31 فاستكبرتم so acts arrogant you
    46 10 واستكبرتم and acts arrogant
    46 20 تستكبرون and acts arrogant you (pl.)
    63 5 مستكبرون who act arrogantly
    71 7 واستكبروا and acts arrogant they of
    71 7 استكبرا istikbaran/acts proud of
    74 23 واستكبر and acts arrogant

    chapters alone!
    2 2 4 4 5 6 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 10 14 16 16 16 21 23 23 25 28 29 31 32 34 34 34 35 37 38 38 39 40 40 40 41 41 45 45 46 46 63 71 71 74 = 19 x ...!

    verses alone!
    34 87 172 173 82 93 36 40 48 75 76 88 133 206 75 21 22 23 49 19 46 67 21 39 39 7 15 31 32 33 43 35 74 75 59 47 48 60 15 38 8 31 10 20 5 7 7 23 = 19 x …!

    miraculous!

    peace!

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      shukri
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      #27

      My dear friends,
      In the Old Testament I found a God's attribute called "Jealous"

      For you must not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

      Since the translation of God's attributes in the Quran seems very "tailor-made" (at least for me)
      I'm not sure whether this attribute (jealousy) is also mentioned in the Quran.

      My question for the arabic experts here, may I know
      Is there any God's attribute in the quran literally means this kind of attribute (a jealous god)?
      OR Is there any Quran verses confirming this attribute!

      Note I'm in the process of learning God's attributes based on true reality not based on translator's assumptions. With this study I hope I will understand the true nature of God. Forgive me my Lord if I'm mistaken and please give me Your guidance and mercy!

      Glory be to God.

      "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred"

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        good_logic
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        Peace shukri.
        Then you have to pursue your line of thoughts and see where it gets you?

        Next you will come across "GOD is the best of the MAKIREEN" and you need to reflect on all the good and bad things that come from good and evil and weigh up the GOD attributes regarding the evil thinking side!
        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

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          shukri
          wrote on last edited by
          #29

          Peace shukri.
          Then you have to pursue your line of thoughts and see where it gets you?

          Next you will come across "GOD is the best of the MAKIREEN" and you need to reflect on all the good and bad things that come from good and evil and weigh up the GOD attributes regarding the evil thinking side!
          GOD bless you.
          Peace.

          Thanks for your comment.
          Do you have any ideas on my Reply #26!
          Salam.

          "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred"

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            good_logic
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            Peace shukri.

            Lije their counterpart the Muslims, those before them have many false interpretations.

            GOD simply cannot take on any negative/bad attributes.

            GOD bless you.
            Peace.

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              shukri
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              #31

              Peace shukri.

              Lije their counterpart the Muslims, those before them have many false interpretations.

              GOD simply cannot take on any negative/bad attributes.

              GOD bless you.
              Peace.

              For you it was a false interpretation.
              It's okay Sir, thank you.

              "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred"

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                Noon_waalqalami
                wrote on last edited by
                #32

                In the Old Testament I found a God's attribute called "Jealous"

                For you must not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

                Since the translation of God's attributes in the Quran seems very "tailor-made" (at least for me)
                I'm not sure whether this attribute (jealousy) is also mentioned in the Quran.

                https//biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_7067.htm

                peace – jealous, envious, covetous, desirous etc., are all human traits e.g. 2109, 1135

                https//i.postimg.cc/4JXKXjQ1/ch112v2-ch114v6.jpg

                see 7th line from bottom
                https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/7/vers/180?handschrift=13

                7180 ولله and to god الاسما the names of الحسنى the finest (best) فادعوه so invoke ye him بها in/by them وذروا and leave (forsake) ye of الذىن the ones ىلحدون who distorting فى in اسمىه names his سىجزون they will be compensated ما what كانوا be they of ىعملون working

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                  shukri
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #33

                  https//biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_7067.htm

                  peace – jealous, envious, covetous, desirous etc., are all human traits e.g. 2109, 1135

                  https//i.postimg.cc/4JXKXjQ1/ch112v2-ch114v6.jpg

                  see 7th line from bottom
                  https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/7/vers/180?handschrift=13

                  7180 ولله and to god الاسما the names of الحسنى the finest (best) فادعوه so invoke ye him بها in/by them وذروا and leave (forsake) ye of الذىن the ones ىلحدون who distorting فى in اسمىه names his سىجزون they will be compensated ما what كانوا be they of ىعملون working

                  Thank Bro Noon for your input especially this verse
                  7180 To God belongs the most beautiful names; call upon Him therewith, and disregard those who distort His names. They will be requited for their sins.

                  I hope I didn't distort His name of Al-Mutakabbir.
                  Maybe different in understanding the real meaning of the word.
                  My Reply #11, Reply #16 and Reply #24 are referred

                  But with this name (Al-Mutakabbir) a lot of things has changed in my daily life
                  When I know He is "Arrogant" and only accept the best from His servants
                  I'm now very careful in submitting to God
                  Salat (audience with God) for instance, I do it at a very beginning of the time, properly dress and well behaved
                  Observe in politeness and submissiveness(خَاشِعِينَ).

                  Also with this attribute (arrogance/zero tolerate with shirk)
                  I'm now very careful with my ego
                  He definitely will abandon me if I take my own desire (the hidden god) above Him
                  AND I will be in great trouble here and in the hereafter!

                  All this time I was bewildered by this verse
                  2186 When My servants ask you about Me, I am always near. I answer their prayers when they pray to Me. The people shall respond to Me and believe in Me, in order to be guided.
                  Why has my doa vanish into the thin air!
                  At least now I realise that the attribute of Al-Mutakabbir may be the barrier between God and me.
                  AND something should be done about it!

                  Always remember No shirk because "arrogant" is one of His asmaul-husna.
                  Any shirk in any form is unacceptable to God.

                  That's all folks
                  Just my take
                  Don't be mad on me!
                  Sorry for any inconvenience
                  AND so long.

                  May GOD forgive me if I'm mistaken!
                  2286 God never burdens a soul beyond its means to its credit is what it earns, and against it is what it commits. "Our Lord, do not condemn us if we forget or make mistakes...

                  Thank you.

                  "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred"

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                    Mazhar
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                    #34

                    //Always remember No shirk because "arrogant" is one of His asmaul-husna.
                    Any shirk in any form is unacceptable to God.//

                    The moment you give a little thought to what asmaul-husna means, may be you notice some negativity in English word.

                    Someone who is haughty is arrogant and full of pride. ... A haughty person acts superior and looks down on others. Haughty people are disdainful, overbearing, prideful, swaggering, and obnoxious.

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                      Aladin_Azra
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                      I think that the root k-b-r is best to translate understood from English "gross". It can describe something big, huge and also some be opposite of "net amount". Thus, especially causative verb forms (II and V) can be used to describe somebody/something from whom nothing is deducted or can't be deducted, its net value is same as gross value. In relation to Allah, this would mean that nothing can be taken from Him because He didn't add anything out of Himself. For example, if we put some goods in some container it will have its new gross mass, which is its net mass + mass of the container.

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