If you also still believe in ritual salat...
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Peace
I know some people do not interpret salat as ritual prayer but I am convinced that it is ritual prayer.
However, I find it really hard to pray at work because I don't wear the hijab and obviously as Quran alone Muslims, we pray differently. The thing about my workplace is there's no prayer room so if you pray, your co-workers will most likely see you praying. A lot of my co-workers happen to be traditional Muslims. It's so awkward! I don't pray at work, only at home. I feel guilty about this because I miss prayers because of it. Can I not just pray in my head? I've also thought about wearing a headscarf whilst praying to avoid criticism but wouldn't that be people-pleasing? Is it okay to do this to avoid judgment?
Do you pray at work? How do you deal with this situation?
Peace.. Sorry about your situation..
In my understanding of Quran.. We should not stress ourselves for ritual matters.. Gof has given a us a comprehensive book in order for us to do strengthen our faith.. Salat in Quran 99% is commitment / morals ethics.. But ritual Salat (prayera) that means remembering God at specified times most probably 3 times (my view) is not something to neglect either.. But physicall able standing position.. Other than that no other physical positions unless one get the meaning of Ruku and sujud as physical portion instead if their true meaning..I don't know how you perform.. But it is still possible evwn how many people surrounded you.. I lost my job but while I was working in my company I used to pray standing during half an hour lunch break.. I stand underneath a shadful tree and I wear my headset letting all othera to know that I am on a call during break.. But I was praying.. If salat was physically practiced like conventional Muslims I doubt I would have ever done in front of those full of racist people who always called me terrorist community.. Coz mostly they consider those who have muslim names as an ally of some terrorist.. I went through hard time there.. Even when I lost my job I was not even given my dues.. Not even allowed to go and ask.. Bad experience in life while I was in that airport.. Anyways.. I am happy I am not there.. God in sha Allah open a way for me.. Note always some good people every where. So did threre..
So Sarah.. If you like you can do same like me head phone and mobile in hand and acting as in a call but remembering God on fixed time.. Even after office Isha I I pray in train fully crowded.. I wear my headset and with light sound I pray God.. With sound of train no one notices.. So no excuses.. If you have lunch time you can find a way... But if you pray conventionally I doubt you would be comfortable doing so.. But you are living in free country tey not like mine perhaps you can try...But be committed in life that is sala IN every action of daily life so you can bring forth purification in life (zakah)..
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Hi Sarah.
Your friend good logic still believes in all sorts of good things and nonsense depending on different views of people and different interpretations of Qoran and other normal life things.
I do rituals for my spiritual self
I also do rituals that have nothing to do with Qoran or GOD. I copied them from your fellow humans , experts in certain subjects, and I still practice them because they benefit me. Here are the rituals I do- Running some distance every day.
- Going to the gym at least once a week.
-Exercises/ dance movements at home . - Bathing /washing daily.
- Meditation and reading .
- Connecting to GOD daily.
- playing football/ playing games with family and friends.
- Celebrating/inviting family and friends for a meal at certain birthdays/celebration days...etc.
-...etc the list is endless.
Now , an important question
How do I know that all these are good for me?
I could list many benefits, but for me the simple answer is I want to do them and I enjoy doing them.. I am not harming any one and I am not forcing any one to do the same things . Those involved do them with me because they also want to and they also enjoy doing them.As far as I know and concerned, they do not break any good and reasonable rules of GOD or of human systems.
So you believe in the Salat ritual, then do it and enjoy doing it. Do not force yourself to do something you find hard if you do not see the benefit or sense in it.
Of course there are times when we are very ill, very busy and cannot do rituals physically Or if they start harming us or our body.
Enjoy your rituals and yes if you are ill or busy why not do your Salat in your head? Qoran has a lot of common sense to me and GOD wants ease for us not hardship.
May be my rituals are nonsense and useless to some, but I want to do them and I enjoy doing them. I also know, my instinct tells, me I am benefitting from my Salat, my heath and wellbeing tell me I am benefitting from my other rituals.
GOD bless you sister.
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Hi Sarah.
Your friend good logic still believes in all sorts of good things and nonsense depending on different views of people and different interpretations of Qoran and other normal life things.
I do rituals for my spiritual self
I also do rituals that have nothing to do with Qoran or GOD. I copied them from your fellow humans , experts in certain subjects, and I still practice them because they benefit me. Here are the rituals I do- Running some distance every day.
- Going to the gym at least once a week.
-Exercises/ dance movements at home . - Bathing /washing daily.
- Meditation and reading .
- Connecting to GOD daily.
- playing football/ playing games with family and friends.
- Celebrating/inviting family and friends for a meal at certain birthdays/celebration days...etc.
-...etc the list is endless.
Now , an important question
How do I know that all these are good for me?
I could list many benefits, but for me the simple answer is I want to do them and I enjoy doing them.. I am not harming any one and I am not forcing any one to do the same things . Those involved do them with me because they also want to and they also enjoy doing them.As far as I know and concerned, they do not break any good and reasonable rules of GOD or of human systems.
So you believe in the Salat ritual, then do it and enjoy doing it. Do not force yourself to do something you find hard if you do not see the benefit or sense in it.
Of course there are times when we are very ill, very busy and cannot do rituals physically Or if they start harming us or our body.
Enjoy your rituals and yes if you are ill or busy why not do your Salat in your head? Qoran has a lot of common sense to me and GOD wants ease for us not hardship.
May be my rituals are nonsense and useless to some, but I want to do them and I enjoy doing them. I also know, my instinct tells, me I am benefitting from my Salat, my heath and wellbeing tell me I am benefitting from my other rituals.
GOD bless you sister.
Peace.Peace.. brother GL..
Well... Yes rituals can make you pleased like many people all over the world regardless of what faith they have what religion they practice.. First of all everyone who practice rituals with the hope of positive energy within themselves.. But rituals has no much importance in Quran's point of view... That's my understanding... You may say wait a minute.. I can bring evidences... Well.. That's understandable... Understanding of Quran of every individual may differ...
Rituals as GL Saya bring tanqulity... For example when I see those lined up monks in Tibet or Nepal I feel like they are meditating on such a superb way and it really attracting others.. Coz they are performing thoae rituals with pleasure but they don't even believe in God and they reject God according what they have been taught.. Or else Christmas is not Christmas if not in December and on top of that if there is no Christmas Tree with decoration all over then it is not Christmas... So retuals play a big role in everyone's life and everyone trying their level best to perform rituals to the extent teaching others how to perform them in right way...
Well liat goes on...
But God is not bothered about rituals... He wants us to believe in Him and do righteous good deeds.. These goods are life and ita ethics... Rituals of any nature can make people happy coz rituals are interesting and calm but it doesn't mean it has value with God...
When I was in my early teens, I was used to go near by masjid, and when I pray when my forehead not rightly touch the floor after salat some elders call me and warn of correct and they even told me my all fingers of foot not bent properly while on sujud etc.. So they love rituals and they want othera also perform in the way they do... But these are meaningless in the sight of God compared to real belief of God and real commitment life and how one purifies his or her life.. Not only salat conventional rituals but all rituals on the name of Islam may give peace to people who practice them coz they love it.. Similarly other religions rituals they make it perfect so retuals and tradition and culture continues..
However one's tranquility in life and pleasure by doing rituals is not significant with the sight of God.. But how he lived his life.. Did he obey God or disobey and was he commited in life and reformed his soul thus purified.. -
Peace
I know some people do not interpret salat as ritual prayer but I am convinced that it is ritual prayer.
Sarah, I would appreciate if you could answer these questions.
How is your ritual prayer different than traditional muslims?
What evidence convinces you that Salat is ritual prayer?
How many times do you believe someone who follows the quran should pray?
Also, what is the difference between dua and Salat according to the quran?Can I not just pray in my head? I've also thought about wearing a headscarf whilst praying to avoid criticism but wouldn't that be people-pleasing? Is it okay to do this to avoid judgment?
In verse 17110 the Quran suggests that you should not perform your Salat with a loud voice nor a quiet voice (namely in your head). It seems that you would like to wear a headscarf in order to blend in. Wearing a headscarf is not a tenet of the quran. But wearing a headscarf is not incompatible with the quran neither. Thus, you can wear it if you like. It is okay to adapt oneself to circumstances as long as one does not break the principles of the Quran.
Do you pray at work? How do you deal with this situation?
My prayers and not restricted to place. I deal with this situation according to the Quran.
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Hi Folks,
I need some clarification on the concept of rituals being mentioned in the replies of Good logic and Jkhan. Please clarify further.56 Arabic word Salat is used in the Quran text below.
O believers! When you rise up for prayer, wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, wipe your heads, and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of ˹full˺ impurity,1 then take a full bath. But if you are ill, on a journey, or have relieved yourselves, or have been intimate with your wives and cannot find water, then purify yourselves with clean earth by wiping your faces and hands.2 It is not Allah’s Will to burden you, but to purify you and complete His favour upon you, so perhaps you will be grateful.Indeed, as-Safa and al-Marwah are among the symbols of Allah. So whoever makes Hajj to the House or performs 'umrah - there is no blame upon him for walking between them. And whoever volunteers good - then indeed, Allah is appreciative and Knowing. (215
They ask you, , about the new moons. Say, "They are measurements of time for the people and for Hajj." And it is not righteousness to enter houses from the back, but righteousness is one who fears Allah. And enter houses from their doors. And fear Allah that you may succeed. (2189)
And complete the Hajj and Umrah for Allah. But if you are prevented, then what can be obtained with ease of sacrificial animals. And do not shave your heads until the sacrificial animal has reached its place of slaughter. And whoever among you is ill or has an ailment of the head a ransom of fasting or charity or sacrifice. And when you are secure, then whoever performs 'umrah followed by Hajj what can be obtained with ease of sacrificial animals. And whoever cannot find - then a fast of three days during Hajj and of seven when you have returned . Those are ten complete . This is for those whose family is not in the area of al-Masjid al-Haram. And fear Allah and know that Allah is severe in penalty. (2196)
And when you have completed your rites, remember Allah like your remembrance of your fathers or with greater remembrance. And among the people is he who says, "Our Lord, give us in this world," and he will have in the Hereafter no share. (2200)
And remember Allah during numbered days. Then whoever hastens in two days - there is no sin upon him, and whoever delays - there is no sin upon him - for him who fears Allah. And fear Allah and know that unto Him you will be gathered. (2203)
etc.
My point is Quran does clearly talks about rituals. Especially the verse 56 is talking about cleaning yourself before "salat" and yet we say as per Jkhan rituals have no importance according to Quran or they are in general to ways to lead good life and as such. My Question is why do we undermine certain rituals when Quran clearly makes clearly mentioned them in black and white (verse 56 to me a clear ritual and otherwise Quran would have just said be clean before come near to salat....).
thanks for your explanation please
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Peace Fusion
My Question is why do we undermine certain rituals when Quran clearly makes clearly mentioned them in black and white (verse 56 to me a clear ritual and otherwise Quran would have just said be clean before come near to salat....).
Many forum members know that Salat is not a requirement for entering the figurative/allegorical paradise (namely getting rewarded in the next life/afterlife which is on earth as stated by the quran). The requirements for getting rewarded in the next life/afterlife are believing in God and doing good/righteous deeds (see verses 262, 569, and 649). Also, concerning Salat, it consists of giving aid/help.
1071 Do you notice who rejects the deen?
1072 It is the one who mistreats the orphan.
1073 Does not encourage the feeding of the poor.
1074 So woe to those who observe Salat.
1075 Who are totally heedless of observing their Salat.
1076 They only want to be seen.
1077 They refuse aid.The verses above clearly show that Salat consists of giving aid/help (such as money or supplies). A ritual prayer which consists of giving aid/help requires more than doing choreographed movements and the recitation of selected verses from the quran. Therefore the meaning of Salat is not limited/restricted to ritual prayers. With that being said, the Quran clearly mentions certain actions that the servants of God are supposed to do, such as practicing Sawm and cleaning themselves before performing Salat. Whether those actions are rituals or not is debatable. The word ritual is derived from the latin word ritualis which pertains to "religious rites." Thus, rituals are related to religions. But islam does not seem to be a religion in the light of the quran. Further, the word deen does not seem to mean religion according to the language of the Quran. The word deen seems to mean system or code of law. For example, Joseph was not allowed to take his brother Benjamin under the deen of the king (see verse 1276). In verse 1276, the word deen does not seem to refer to the religion of the king, but it seems to refer to the system or code of law that existed during his time.
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Hi Folks,
I need some clarification on the concept of rituals being mentioned in the replies of Good logic and Jkhan. Please clarify further.56 Arabic word Salat is used in the Quran text below.
O believers! When you rise up for prayer, wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, wipe your heads, and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of ˹full˺ impurity,1 then take a full bath. But if you are ill, on a journey, or have relieved yourselves, or have been intimate with your wives and cannot find water, then purify yourselves with clean earth by wiping your faces and hands.2 It is not Allah’s Will to burden you, but to purify you and complete His favour upon you, so perhaps you will be grateful.Indeed, as-Safa and al-Marwah are among the symbols of Allah. So whoever makes Hajj to the House or performs 'umrah - there is no blame upon him for walking between them. And whoever volunteers good - then indeed, Allah is appreciative and Knowing. (215
They ask you, , about the new moons. Say, "They are measurements of time for the people and for Hajj." And it is not righteousness to enter houses from the back, but righteousness is one who fears Allah. And enter houses from their doors. And fear Allah that you may succeed. (2189)
And complete the Hajj and Umrah for Allah. But if you are prevented, then what can be obtained with ease of sacrificial animals. And do not shave your heads until the sacrificial animal has reached its place of slaughter. And whoever among you is ill or has an ailment of the head a ransom of fasting or charity or sacrifice. And when you are secure, then whoever performs 'umrah followed by Hajj what can be obtained with ease of sacrificial animals. And whoever cannot find - then a fast of three days during Hajj and of seven when you have returned . Those are ten complete . This is for those whose family is not in the area of al-Masjid al-Haram. And fear Allah and know that Allah is severe in penalty. (2196)
And when you have completed your rites, remember Allah like your remembrance of your fathers or with greater remembrance. And among the people is he who says, "Our Lord, give us in this world," and he will have in the Hereafter no share. (2200)
And remember Allah during numbered days. Then whoever hastens in two days - there is no sin upon him, and whoever delays - there is no sin upon him - for him who fears Allah. And fear Allah and know that unto Him you will be gathered. (2203)
etc.
My point is Quran does clearly talks about rituals. Especially the verse 56 is talking about cleaning yourself before "salat" and yet we say as per Jkhan rituals have no importance according to Quran or they are in general to ways to lead good life and as such. My Question is why do we undermine certain rituals when Quran clearly makes clearly mentioned them in black and white (verse 56 to me a clear ritual and otherwise Quran would have just said be clean before come near to salat....).
thanks for your explanation please
Salam brother Fusion..
Thank you for asking to clarify..
I am not against GL and what he practices.. It's his understanding..Quran is loud and clear who is successful.. 231-10 or 2177...
First of all get the meaning of ritual right in case complicated. Salat (remembering God is not ritual at all)..
4 steps of purification 443 or 56 is not ritual either.. They are just cleaning 4 body parts or have a bath.. So simple..Do practice rituals.. God doesn't mind as long as one doesn't violate any shirk or anything going against God's system.. Suppose every nation has a ritual when it comes to marriage.. God is not against it and will never be.. Whatever steps they follow all their rituals.. But anything against system of God then it is not ritual.. Suppose if man ask for heavy dowry for marriage even it is ritual of a nation it is not allowed to practice.. Violation of Deen..
Same when it comes funeral rituals.. Bury soon or after threw days or keep in cave foe few months then bury or whatever rituals God doesn't mind coz God has not stipulated any conditions.. No significance in these to God.. No one gonna get any benefit from Allah..Even fasting is not rituals.. Nothing is ritual..
Then let's turn to Haj.. And word manasik...
What is haj... It won't change God's command.. God has clearly indicated who are successful in chapter 231-10... Haj or fasting not even mentioned in it.. So what is important in Haj..?
Haj was totally connected with every prophetic messenger and delivering and proclaiming what was revealed to him and publicizing to many a people rather than his own community in which debate and converging to certain place is involved thus feeding OR feast is inevitable...
It depends on where those people converged where they do there own manasik (rites most probably)..
God never commanded to go inbetwen Safa and Marwa but said no blame.. Whatever Safa and Maawa could have been is immaterial..
Rites or rituals won't take us to Janna.. These manasik (rites) differs nation to nation so it has no importance to every nation.. So it cannot be command of God in general to all human. Coz God's command is common to all..
Even God says in haj versea once you have completed your manasik(rites) .. It is clear manasik is ones own willingness and his or her preference..
But of God has shown like He has taught us naturally..Spending hell a lot if time in rituals won't make any part to achieve our ultimate goal..
So I leave you with this verse.. 919 "
Have you made the providing of water for the pilgrim and the maintenance of al-Masjid al-haram equal to one who believes in Allah and the Last Day and strives in the cause of Allah ? They are not equal in the sight of Allah. And Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.Importance with God is commitment in life and purifying souls and beyond that is remembering God...
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Me, I worry about my own findings. I do not trust my eyes,ears and brain fully. But GOD is going to hold me responsible for their usage. Therefore I have no option but to use them to the best of my ability and seek help from the one who gave them to me.
Do not trust good logic s faculties . Use your own. Each one will be responsible for using their eyes ears and brain. Each one is only accountable for their own findings/works/...
Now with this in mind ,I will decide what to do and take the consequences for that. I can do the rituals , works, ...etc that I choose myself for me.
I will share what and why with others but I do not expect them to do what I do.
I believe in GOD and His message and use my own faculties to work out the message.Having said that, I agree with most of you that works/deeds and behaviour/attitude /intention take priority.
What do I mean by believe in GOD?
Just say/accept that GOD exist? Or act out and heed /follow His commands and instructions in my life? Value His message and search/study it as well to check and learn howto lead my life?
If on the other hand I do what others do or what they tell me to do, I believe in others in that case. They are using their faculties and I am using theirs not mine.
I know when I die it is too late.Are they waiting for the angels to come to them, or your Lord, or some physical manifestations of your Lord? The day this happens, no soul will benefit from believing if it did not believe before that, and did not reap the benefits of belief by leading a righteous life.* Say, "Keep on waiting; we too are waiting.".
هَل يَنظُرونَ إِلّا أَن تَأتِيَهُمُ المَلٰئِكَةُ أَو يَأتِىَ رَبُّكَ أَو يَأتِىَ بَعضُ ءايٰتِ رَبِّكَ يَومَ يَأتى بَعضُ ءايٰتِ رَبِّكَ لا يَنفَعُ نَفسًا إيمٰنُها لَم تَكُن ءامَنَت مِن قَبلُ أَو كَسَبَت فى إيمٰنِها خَيرًا قُلِ انتَظِروا إِنّا مُنتَظِرونَI also pass on men s religions if you do not mind.
Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with you. Their judgment rests with God, then He will inform them of everything they had done.
إِنَّ الَّذينَ فَرَّقوا دينَهُم وَكانوا شِيَعًا لَستَ مِنهُم فى شَىءٍ إِنَّما أَمرُهُم إِلَى اللَّهِ ثُمَّ يُنَبِّئُهُم بِما كانوا يَفعَلونَ
Whoever does a righteous work receives the reward for ten, and the one who commits a sin is requited for only one. No one suffers the slightest injustice.
مَن جاءَ بِالحَسَنَةِ فَلَهُ عَشرُ أَمثالِها وَمَن جاءَ بِالسَّيِّئَةِ فَلا يُجزىٰ إِلّا مِثلَها وَهُم لا يُظلَمونَSay, "My Lord has guided me in a straight path - the perfect religion of Abraham, monotheism. He never was an idol worshiper."
قُل إِنَّنى هَدىٰنى رَبّى إِلىٰ صِرٰطٍ مُستَقيمٍ دينًا قِيَمًا مِلَّةَ إِبرٰهيمَ حَنيفًا وَما كانَ مِنَ المُشرِكينَ
Say, "My Salat), my way of life practices, my life and my death, are all devoted absolutely to God alone, the Lord of the universe.
قُل إِنَّ صَلاتى وَنُسُكى وَمَحياىَ وَمَماتى لِلَّهِ رَبِّ العٰلَمينَ
"He has no partner. This is what I am commanded to believe, and my first priority is to submit."
لا شَريكَ لَهُ وَبِذٰلِكَ أُمِرتُ وَأَنا۠ أَوَّلُ المُسلِمينَ
Say, "Shall I seek other than God as a lord, when He is the Lord of all things? No soul benefits except from its own works, and none bears the burden of another. Ultimately, you return to your Lord, then He informs you regarding all your disputes."
قُل أَغَيرَ اللَّهِ أَبغى رَبًّا وَهُوَ رَبُّ كُلِّ شَىءٍ وَلا تَكسِبُ كُلُّ نَفسٍ إِلّا عَلَيها وَلا تَزِرُ وازِرَةٌ وِزرَ أُخرىٰ ثُمَّ إِلىٰ رَبِّكُم مَرجِعُكُم فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِما كُنتُم فيهِ تَختَلِفونَI expect sister Sarah and each one to do the same and follow GOD Alone according to your own findings..
GOD bless you all
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It is as if it was I who posted below. This is how I do it too I remember The God wherever I am with my phone and headset. And with masks on at all times in this pandemic, the more people do not know that I am performing salah (i.e., remembering The God by reading/reciting verses from the qur'an). Oh, I perform salah twice a day standing dutifully (i.e., not swaying) at both ends of the day.
Peace.. Sorry about your situation..
In my understanding of Quran.. We should not stress ourselves for ritual matters.. Gof has given a us a comprehensive book in order for us to do strengthen our faith.. Salat in Quran 99% is commitment / morals ethics.. But ritual Salat (prayera) that means remembering God at specified times most probably 3 times (my view) is not something to neglect either.. But physicall able standing position.. Other than that no other physical positions unless one get the meaning of Ruku and sujud as physical portion instead if their true meaning..I don't know how you perform.. But it is still possible evwn how many people surrounded you.. I lost my job but while I was working in my company I used to pray standing during half an hour lunch break.. I stand underneath a shadful tree and I wear my headset letting all othera to know that I am on a call during break.. But I was praying.. If salat was physically practiced like conventional Muslims I doubt I would have ever done in front of those full of racist people who always called me terrorist community.. Coz mostly they consider those who have muslim names as an ally of some terrorist.. I went through hard time there.. Even when I lost my job I was not even given my dues.. Not even allowed to go and ask.. Bad experience in life while I was in that airport.. Anyways.. I am happy I am not there.. God in sha Allah open a way for me.. Note always some good people every where. So did threre..
So Sarah.. If you like you can do same like me head phone and mobile in hand and acting as in a call but remembering God on fixed time.. Even after office Isha I I pray in train fully crowded.. I wear my headset and with light sound I pray God.. With sound of train no one notices.. So no excuses.. If you have lunch time you can find a way... But if you pray conventionally I doubt you would be comfortable doing so.. But you are living in free country tey not like mine perhaps you can try...But be committed in life that is sala IN every action of daily life so you can bring forth purification in life (zakah)..
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It is as if it was I who posted below. This is how I do it too I remember The God wherever I am with my phone and headset. And with masks on at all times in this pandemic, the more people do not know that I am performing salah (i.e., remembering The God by reading/reciting verses from the qur'an). Oh, I perform salah twice a day standing dutifully (i.e., not swaying) at both ends of the day.
Peace Nomar..
May Allah bless you with guidance and constant faith until you reach to Him...
Sorry for typo.. Hope you got what I have written in true sense..
Thank you so much and keep up good works in life and leave the decision of judgment to God..
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Peace sister,
The last thing you should worry about is what they think. At the very least, if it will make them think that will be a good outcome. If you are not under physical threat, I think you should overcome your inhibitions and pray. You never know, it can even spark their curiosity.
But our goal should be to only please God, not people, nor to fear people. I realize this is easier said than done. But just make the resolve and do not miss any prayer. See those people as just a test for you, and try to overcome this test.
Peace.
Peace
I know some people do not interpret salat as ritual prayer but I am convinced that it is ritual prayer.
However, I find it really hard to pray at work because I don't wear the hijab and obviously as Quran alone Muslims, we pray differently. The thing about my workplace is there's no prayer room so if you pray, your co-workers will most likely see you praying. A lot of my co-workers happen to be traditional Muslims. It's so awkward! I don't pray at work, only at home. I feel guilty about this because I miss prayers because of it. Can I not just pray in my head? I've also thought about wearing a headscarf whilst praying to avoid criticism but wouldn't that be people-pleasing? Is it okay to do this to avoid judgment?
Do you pray at work? How do you deal with this situation?
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Salaam. Salat or solat to me is commitment and from the root word SLW we also can find solu, soli, yusolu yusoli yaslu solawa that can be commit or committed instead of commitment. Thank you. Peace
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Salaam,
just a reminder..443 O you who believe, do not come near the Commitment while you are intoxicated, until you know what you are saying.
Don't make commitments to other people while you're drunk, whether it's in business, romance, deals, or anything that requires a commitment.
591 The devil only wants to cause strife between you through intoxicants and gambling, and to turn you away from God' reminder and from the Commitment. Will you be deterred?
since you won't remember what you promised, this could lead you to disagreements, away from your commitment (while you're get drunk). Surely you need to know what you are saying..
Peace
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Salaam,
just a reminder..443 O you who believe, do not come near the Commitment while you are intoxicated, until you know what you are saying.
Don't make commitments to other people while you're drunk, whether it's in business, romance, deals, or anything that requires a commitment.
591 The devil only wants to cause strife between you through intoxicants and gambling, and to turn you away from God' reminder and from the Commitment. Will you be deterred?
since you won't remember what you promised, this could lead you to disagreements, away from your commitment (while you're get drunk). Surely you need to know what you are saying..
Peace
My lovely brother welcome back...
Good to see you...
Salam...
But straight away bit debate. Lol. .
443 is complete verse and it doesn't say only not to near salah when intoxicated... When I look at the complete verse I can't take it as commitment/ethics...but the verse is definitely Salah/worship God.. If you take only what you highlighted it may look profound and right... But in complete sense with complete picture if the verse 443 it but worship God ie salah timed Salat... Pls apply logic to entire verse and why one can't do commitment after having sexWelcome you negative inputs...
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It is ironic as well as interesting that the folks who follow Quran only for guidance can not converge the very essential concept "Prayer" / ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ which is mentioned numerous times in Quran with multiple contexts.
Source https//www.parwez.tv/download/books/Lughat/VIV.pdf
"This means their prayers in which some words are recited and some acts performed (i.e. soulless praying).
Just think and observe that today’s prayers where we simply recite some words whose meanings we do
not know, and do some movements about which we do not know why these are performed? Although the
Quran had directed to establish salaat which is a means of bringing change of minds and thinking and the
source of bringing a revolution in a society, the society where every man would be aware as to what he
was doing and why? And what will be its result? Every aspect of Deen has a purpose and helps attain the
high ideal of humanity. But when the real purpose of Deen becomes obscured then these life giving links
of that program (Deen) are reduced simply to being a custom, part of a meaningless worship, and the
rituals are then performed thinking as if these are the very aim. At this juncture Deen (Way of life) is
reduced simply to a religion." -
Salaam,
Don't be bothered by what other people think.2945 Recite what is inspired to you of the Book and uphold the Commitment, for the commitment prohibits immorality and evil deeds; but certainly the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows everything you do.
Just ask yourself,
If your ritual prayer, contact prayer, or whatever your understanding about salat, makes you a good people, prevents the immorality and evil deeds for you, then we are all move in the same direction.Because I do believe my commitment to what inspired to me from the book will do the same.
Peace
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Peace all.
Commitment by itself is general and can be applied to various things including the contact prayer. When one says "salat" means commitment, this has no real meaning by itself it needs something with it like a subject, commit to what?As for meaningless rituals ,they are also pointless. If one does not get any benefit ,then they are wasting their time and effort.
Qoran does not ask for meaningless things and certainly GOD does not expect us to waste our time or do meaningless things.
Again if GOD does not need anything why should He expect us to worship Him or do anything for Him?
GOD s instructions and requirements from us are not for Himself ,they are for our wellbeing and benefit.
So let us list some of these requirements from us by GOD and see what can possibly be the aim and benefit to us-1-Submision/ Islam to GOD- The start on the road to the straight path/guidance from GOD.. For one to walk in the light not stay in darkness and confusion.
2- Taqwa- what one can call GOD conscious- To develop a mental attitude and enhance our defence mechanism to combat sins/bad habits/bad morals...By putting GOD on our mind 24/7. Telling yourself often"GOD is watching me"i.e Remembering GOD in all situation for help and assessment ..
3-Doing good deeds/charity /being kind to fill our time with good energy and become busy and productive for our wellbeing and reputation.
4- Looking after our physical body to stay healthy including doing Sawum , exercises,diets...etc.
5- Looking after our spiritual body and mental health by reflection/meditation and connection to our creator to recharge our mental state and grow our soul. This can also be enhanced by the daily contact prayer with GOD Alone - Al Salat- The specific contact prayer that helps the soul to grow and increase taqwa and Iman for our own benefit, not GOD, GOD is doing us a favour not the other way around.
etc
Effort,hard work, perseverance and patience are required.
So some think they are doing GOD a favour by their submission and Iman by worshiping Him?
No guys, GOD is doing us all those of us who want to start on the submission journey ,a favourSo the minimum criteria is be good ,do good and acknowledge our creator, the rest is extra help and more Iman.
The bottom line for us , knowing that we are meeting GOD, is to sincerely do what each understand from their own study of Qoran. We will be asked,for sure, have we pondered/studied /.. GODs revelations/message /instructions or not?. Each has to answer for themselves at GOD.
GOD bless you all.
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I believe a total commitment is only a wishful thinking for presence of sins within ourselves (body/soul) is definitely due to the will of God. Had he wanted to create a sinless nation, it would have been done. So one can have an intention to COMMIT NOT to do ABC.. XYZ but in actual fact we all commit sins and we all forget allah that is why he is most forgiving... meaning there needs be us humans full of sins to be forgiven.
Hence I believe salat is a congregational affair in which we need to meet with others on a regular basis and hope to create a better society, a better of us to make an effort to change for the good. Be it any one from any field, the onus is to do good on gods earth.I found some link useful
https//www.ahleaqal.com/2019/02/understanding-root-word-of-salat-part-1.html
https//www.ahleaqal.com/2019/02/understanding-root-word-of-salat-part-2.html
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Peace..
I don't understand what people write here when question is something else..In a nutshell Quran has many meanings for Salat or its root.. And pls apply what God meant for particular verse.. Taking everything one meaning is mere violation of context of verses and its meaning.. I know everyone is not guided but at least we can strive (jihad) hard to grasp it..
I will make your research easy In sha Allah... But that also depend how you perceive... For those whom the guidance is meant no one can do that... At least true believers would get.. By writing if any of the believers benefit then it is inviting fellow believers... That's my intention here in the forum..
Here is the verse..
417 Those who give not the Zakat and they are disbelievers in the Hereafter.
Now reflect what Zaka is when God incorporate Zaka eith Salat in many a verses... Take all those verses where Zaka and Salat is mentioned...use sense..look at the context where it presents and decide whether for Salat becomes Prayer and Zakat becomes obligatory Charity... Sorry to say.. Sheer Nonesencical resolution...
How can who doesn't give Zakath (if taken as obligatory charity) be a disbeliver...? Impossible... Allah has already said sadaqa that is charity.. No burden on human double type of charity...
Yes.. Zakath is not at all obligatory charity... But Zakath is Purification of a Soul... And how one get purified if his morals / Ethics / Conduct are not decent...Read all Sala and Zakath verses when they are together... They are never Charity nor Prayer..
But Sala is prayer as well in few verses as salah is blessings in few verses, as salah is support in few verses as sala or its root in some verses closely following.. Etc..
I am ready if anyone brings proof Salat and Zakath mentioned together in such and such verses are prayer and charity.. Well bring.. Let's debate.. But with logic...
As brother Tilihawa brought 2945 ... I do agree he has not taken it as prayer.. But he says it is commitment.. Never mind.. Yes when morals /ethics / conduct are decent one is committed.. This he purifies the self /soul.. Yes.. Verse 2945 is clear.. Once conducts decent and intention is right he purifies and that atmosphere makes one away from Fahisha (disgusting actions mainly sex related) and Munkar bad or evil things... The one who is so careful in his conduct and purifies daily is most likely that he keeps away fahisha and Munkar and not the one who parrot and pray and it is obvious also...
