Women as sex objects ..
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Peace,
This shows your interest and also might make the woman hit on u! Also modesty is important and a lot of trouble is caused by these types of things!
Nural
what is So wrongful to fall for opposite sex ? I think we need to practice seeing a glass of water half full rather than half empty..)
peace
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Peace all
Ironically I believe we are all correct in certain ways. I believe Quran knows better thus it is telling us something good. See, immediately after telling men to lower their gaze it is telling women to do the same. It shows equality.
That does not meen you cant look at a woman. HOw do you marry someone??
I believe its about pride, lust etc that the Quran is talking here.
what is So wrongful to fall for opposite sex ? I think we need to practice seeing a glass of water half full rather than half empty..Yes
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Hello LT,
Don't worry I know about those "Stories" that is why I said if you go by Quran alone, Muhammad did have more than four wives
Can you please enlighten me and quote the verses of Al-Quran that prove your underlined statement above? And also why do you use the number 4 when mentioning Al-Quran, because in Al-Quran Allah allows a muslim only one wife (the only exception was to prophet Muhammad).
Ayat 43 is commonly mistranslated by the majority of the translations. The correct translation is as follows, which clearly shows that there is no permission for muslim to marry more than one.
(43) And if you fear you can?t do justice to the orphans, then marry off the women (orphans) who have agreed with you to by twos, by threes and by fours. But if you fear that you will be unfair then (marry off) by one or what your right hand possessed as this is better than getting into hardship.
For more details on this issue please see following link
http//www.geocities.com/yaseen_q/polygamy.html
337 The prophet is closer to the believers than themselves, and his wives are mothers to them. And God's decree to the believers and the emigrants is that before they help their relatives, they have taken care of their own families first. Such has been decreed in the Scripture.
3329 O prophet, say to your wives "If you are seeking this worldly life and its vanities, then come, I will make a provision for you and release you in an amicable manner."
3331 O wives of the prophet, if any of you commits evident lewdness, then the retribution will be doubled for her. This is easy for God to do.
3333 O wives of the prophet, you are not like any other women. If you are righteous, then do not speak too softly, lest those with disease in their hearts will move with desire; you shall speak in an honourable manner.
3354 And if you ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a barrier. This is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not for you to harm God's messenger, nor that you should marry his wives after him. This is indeed a gross offence with God.
3360 O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of the believers that they should lengthen upon themselves their outer garments. That is better so that they would not be recognized and harmed. God is Forgiver, Merciful.
662 O you prophet, why do you prohibit what God has made lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful.
664 And when the prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to some of his wives, then one of them spread it, and God revealed it to him, he recognized part of it and denied part. So when he informed her, she said "Who informed you of this?" He said "I was informed by the Knowledgeable, the Expert."In all the above verses "wives" or "some of his wives" is used which does not mean more than four. The following ayat is telling the prophet which women have been made lawful for him to get married to if he wishes, and not the number of his wives
3351 O prophet, We have made lawful for you the wives to whom you have already given their dowry, and the one who is committed to you by oath, as granted to you by God, and the daughters of your father's brothers, and the daughters of your father's sisters, and the daughters of your mother's brothers, and the daughters of your mother's sisters, of whom they have emigrated with you. Also, the believing woman who had decreed herself to the prophet, the prophet may marry her if he wishes, as a privilege given only to you and not to the believers. We have already decreed their rights in regard to their spouses and those who are still dependant. This is to spare you any hardship. God is Forgiver, Merciful.
Now please tell me how you reached your conclusion that according to Al-Quran prophet Muhammad had more than four wives and quote me the verses from Al-Quran that show that prophet Muhammad had more than four wives.
Regards,
Tanveer
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Can you please enlighten me and quote the verses of Al-Quran that prove your underlined statement above? And also why do you use the number 4 when mentioning Al-Quran, because in Al-Quran Allah allows a muslim only one wife (the only exception was to prophet Muhammad).
Are you telling me Tanveer that Muhammad did not have more than one wife?
And why was Muhammad was allowed to marry more than one wife and not others?
Regards,
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Are you telling me Tanveer that Muhammad did not have more than one wife?
You have a habit of misquoting others and giving false information. PLEASE DO NOT MISQUOTE ME. I never said that Muhammad did not have more than one wife. I was asking you to show where in Al-Quran is the proof that Muhammad had more than FOUR wives as per your statement.
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Don't worry I know about those "Stories" that is why I said if you go by Quran alone, Muhammad did have more than FOUR wivestanveermd wrote
Can you please enlighten me and quote the verses of Al-Quran that prove your underlined statement above? And also why do you use the number 4 when mentioning Al-Quran, because in Al-Quran Allah allows a muslim only one wife (the only exception was to prophet Muhammad).I produced many many ayat showing that Muhammad had "wives". In case you don't know, "wives" is the plural of "wife" in the English language meaning more than one wife.
As for your question
And why was Muhammad was allowed to marry more than one wife and not others?
Allah gives the answer
3338 So when Zayd ended his relationship with his wife, We had you marry her, to establish that there is no wrongdoing for the believers in marrying the wives of their adopted sons if their relationship is ended. And God's command is always done.
So clearly Allah allowed Muhammad to marry more than one wife to establish examples of different situations in marriages and clarify what is lawful in those situations/scenarios. Muhammad was one person and there are many different situations and scenarios that can arise in marriages. He was allowed to marry more than one to set up an example of what is lawful in many different situations and scenarios.
3322 Indeed, in the messenger of God a good example has been set for you for he who seeks God and the Last Day and thinks constantly about God.
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Salaams tanveer,
i need some info on your articl regarding polygamy please.please counter the following
Reasons why 43 cannot be marry or marry off orphans.
Orphans may be children so marry off children. How is this possible?
The condition to test them if they are of marriageable age comes in ayah 46 , i.e. 3 ayate after your telling to marry them off, How come? Should be the other way around.
Either Marry off the women or what your Right hands posseses, Why marry off what you posses? So it isn?t marry off women neither.
A question regarding the interpretation that supports "Marrying off".
If it?s marrying off, then why do you think there is a restriction until "4" at all? If marrying off, why not marry off 1000 women at the same time? Why only until 4?Sura 4.
Who is the audience?
Clearly the first verse answers this question O Mankind! "Ya ayyuha alnnasu", the audience is mankind.
"Marry the women widows/divorcees/singles who have consented with you two?s, three?s and four?s!" But if you fear that you will be unfair then marry one or what your right hand possessed, this is better than getting into hardship.As in this case entire mankind are spoken to then its perfect structure to say to the entire mankind
Marry what seems good to you of women two?s, three?s or four?s ?????.
Please note it?s not one person Allah has spoken to here as a lot of people tend to think or configure as.
Thanks.
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So clearly Allah allowed Muhammad to marry more than one wife to establish examples of different situations in marriages and clarify what is lawful in those situations/scenarios. Muhammad was one person and there are many different situations and scenarios that can arise in marriages. He was allowed to marry more than one to set up an example of what is lawful in many different situations and scenarios.
?..erm...ok Tanveer enough said... I bow out to you...
Regards,
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Peace,
I think the idea here is the man had 11 wives in his lifetime but no more than 4 at anyone time. Polygamy is a mission! Wouldn't work in reality or maybe just today, thats just for me personally. I like the idea of couples and pairs. Adam and eve not adam and eve and another woman!
Anyway so what if he had more wives? whats the big deal? he was a lucky man and still managed to bring positive change and establish a progressive way in the world.
Nural
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Hello Nural,
Anyway so what if he had more wives? whats the big deal?
No Big Deal Nural, but I wish I had that job! -)
I think I would have enjoyed it (and many would too!!!! )So clearly Allah allowed Muhammad to marry more than one wife to establish examples of different situations in marriages and clarify what is lawful in those situations/scenarios. Muhammad was one person and there are many different situations and scenarios that can arise in marriages. He was allowed to marry more than one to set up an example of what is lawful in many different situations and scenarios.
Regards,
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Peace,
Back then, Muhammad may had many wives, perhaps before the revelation, GOD knows. But the revelation sets the standards as per ones' given situation. Nevertheless, the emphasis the Quran sets out is of one, not many. Today, as I personally witness, its cumbersome to handle one wife, talk about 2 or more. The reasons are genuine and many, solutions are seldom.
Divorces, separations, philanderes/casanovas (maniacs), rapes and gay relationships/marriages are dramatically at high-rise, specially in the western countries, mainly USA. Such diseases are carried over to other parts of the world in the name of "freedom" or "liberty" or perhaps "sexual poison". What an "evolution"??? Swords of the past, bombs of the present and Nuclear Automated Techonology of the near future.
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Salaamun alaikum brother Nural Amin,
I think the idea here is the man had 11 wives in his lifetime but no more than 4 at anyone time.
Brother, where did you get the figure of 11. Al-Quran nowhere says he had 11 wives. Are you falling in the same trap of believing the fabricated hadith and the conjectures?
Regards,
Tanveer
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Salaamun alaikum mz357,
i need some info on your articl regarding polygamy please.
The article in question is not mine, so please refrain from saying so, thanks
please counter the following
I do not have to counter anything because, as I said, I did not write the article. You can try to get in touch with the writer of the article. His website is as follows
http//www.geocities.com/yaseen_q/
However I will try to answer some of your questions even though I am not qualified to do that, so please understand my limitations.
Reasons why 43 cannot be marry or marry off orphans.
Orphans may be children so marry off children. How is this possible?
The condition to test them if they are of marriageable age comes in ayah 46 , i.e. 3 ayate after your telling to marry them off, How come? Should be the other way around.
It says marry off orphans, not marry off children. As you have yourself stated there is ayat 46 that gives the condition to test them if they are of marriageable age and that is a continuation of the same chapter. First Allah gives a general instruction to marry off the orphans then gives the condition to test if they are of marriageable age. That is very logical and I dont know why you cannot understand such simple logic. Even if that does not seem logical to you, it does not matter where two ayat talking about the same subject appear in Al-Quran, the meaning is inferred by combining all the similar ayat and trying to understand them as a group.
Either Marry off the women or what your Right hands posseses, Why marry off what you posses? So it isn?t marry off women neither.
The first attempt to prevent hardship is to marry off the women because the guardian of a woman is supposed to support her and that causes financial burden and hardship. But if you fear you will not be able to be fair by doing that then you can marry off the ma malakat aimanakum, which could be male or female.
A question regarding the interpretation that supports "Marrying off".
If it?s marrying off, then why do you think there is a restriction until "4" at all? If marrying off, why not marry off 1000 women at the same time? Why only until 4?When Allah lays down his limits only He knows what is the best number, because He has created us and only He knows what is best for us. In the ayat ordaining 100 lashes for adultery, why "100", why not "50" or "150" or "200" or "175" ???
Sura 4.
Who is the audience?
Clearly the first verse answers this question O Mankind! "Ya ayyuha alnnasu", the audience is mankind.
"Marry the women widows/divorcees/singles who have consented with you two?s, three?s and four?s!" But if you fear that you will be unfair then marry one or what your right hand possessed, this is better than getting into hardship.As in this case entire mankind are spoken to then its perfect structure to say to the entire mankind
Marry what seems good to you of women two?s, three?s or four?s ?????.
Please note it?s not one person Allah has spoken to here as a lot of people tend to think or configure as.
Of course the audience is the entire mankind. This order is being given to all of us, so that each of us can follow it if the condition applies to us. What is your point? And it clearly says two's, three's and four's, and not two, three or four. Think about it.
Regards,
Tanveer
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Salaamun alaikum all,
Coming back to the topic of beauty, there is beauty in every creation of The God, even in a cow, or a mule, or a donkey
166 And the livestock He created them for you, in them is warmth and benefits, and from them you eat.
167 And for you in them is beauty, when you relax and when you travel.
168 And they carry your loads to a place you would not have been able to reach except with great strain. Your Lord is Compassionate, Merciful.
169 And the horses, and mules, and donkeys, that you may ride them and as an adornment. And He creates what you do not know.2763 The One who created the heavens and the Earth, and He sent down water from the sky for you, so We cause gardens to grow with it that are full of beauty. It is not your ability to cause the growth of its trees. Is there a god with God? No. But they are a people who ascribe equals!
We can appreciate beauty but should not get involved in it so much that we forget our real purpose in this life i.e. to establish peace and harmony and be righteous and spend our life according to the will of The God
1829 And have patience upon yourself regarding those who call on their Lord at dawn and dusk seeking His presence, and let not your eyes overlook them that you seek the beauty of this worldly life. And do not obey the one whom We have made his heart heedless of Our remembrance and he followed his desire, and his fate was lost.
1846 Wealth and buildings are the beauty of this life. But the good deeds that remain behind are better with your Lord for a reward, and better for hope.
3353 No women are lawful to you beyond this, nor that you change them for other wives, even though you may be attracted by their beauty, except those to whom you are committed by oaths. And God is watchful over all things.
1025 The example of the worldly life is like a water which has come down from the sky, so it mixed with the plants of the Earth from what mankind and the livestock eat. Then the Earth takes its shape and becomes beautiful and its inhabitants think that they have mastered it; then Our judgment comes by night or by day, so We make it a wasteland as if it never prospered by the yesterday! It is such that We clarify the revelations to a people who think.The beauty of the Earth is a test and can mislead us
1540 He said "My Lord, for that which I have been misled by, I will make the Earth appear beautiful for them, and I will mislead them all."
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.....parts of the world in the name of "freedom" or "liberty" or perhaps "sexual poison". What an "evolution"??? Swords of the past, bombs of the present and Nuclear Automated Techonology of the near future.
FREEDOM and PERSONAL LIBERTY not important to you?
Don't you like the FREEDOM to be what YOU want to be instead of people telling you WHAT TO BE?What does NUCLEAR techonology to do with FREEDOM TO SPEAK YOUR MIND and YOUR PERSONAL LIBERTY to SPEAK YOUR MIND?
Are you getting sick of FREEDOM? -)
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Salaams tanveer,
ALYATAMA Al-nisa?The widows/devorcees/singles.p624-qd.
Alyatama ?The Orphans.
2220, 42, 43, 46 and 410.Alyateem ? The orphan.
6152, 1734, 8017, 939,1072.Sorry but (i believe) the ayat is talking about the widows/single/devorcess in this case who have lost the support (husband).
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(O mankind) If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly/fairly with the ALYATAMA then Marry (Al-nisa)women of your choice, Two?s or three?s or four?s; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or ma malakat aimanakum that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.Look at the context of the ayah to see what hardship Allah is talking about please.Its simple if you cannot handle more then one wife ? if its going to be hard then stick to one only.
And the maximum number is 4 ,and not a 100, but if it was the other way around marrying off then indeed a 100 or 200 wouldn?t make a difference as it is being done in the world where 100 or 200 people get married in many countries .You said
?When Allah lays down his limits only He knows what is the best number, because He has created us and only He knows what is best for us. In the ayat ordaining 100 lashes for adultery, why "100", why not "50" or "150" or "200" or "175" ????This is my view though and no doubt you must check yours ? think.
God Bless.
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Salaamun alaikum mz357,
ALYATAMA Al-nisa?The widows/devorcees/singles.p624-qd.
Alyatama ?The Orphans.
2220, 42, 43, 46 and 410.Alyateem ? The orphan.
6152, 1734, 8017, 939,1072.Sorry but (i believe) the ayat is talking about the widows/single/devorcess in this case who have lost the support (husband).
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(O mankind) If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly/fairly with the ALYATAMA then Marry (Al-nisa)women of your choice, Two?s or three?s or four?s; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or ma malakat aimanakum that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.Look at the context of the ayah to see what hardship Allah is talking about please.Its simple if you cannot handle more then one wife ? if its going to be hard then stick to one only.
43 And give the orphans their money, and do not replace the good with the bad, and do not consume their money to your money; for truly it is a great sin!
44 And if you fear you can?t do justice to the orphans, then marry off the women (orphans) who have agreed with you to by twos, by threes and by fours. But if you fear that you will be unfair then (marry off) by one or what your right hand possessed as this is better than getting into hardship.Original Text 44
If you see the original text, the word "orphans" (alyatama) is used separate from the word "women" (alnisa) with preposition "min" in between clearly meaning Allah is talking about the orphans, and then the orphans from the women. The original text does not say "alyatama alnisa" but "alyatama...............min alnisa". Also the context of ayat before and after clearly shows that Allah is talking about orphans, and not widowed women.
And the maximum number is 4 ,and not a 100, but if it was the other way around marrying off then indeed a 100 or 200 wouldn?t make a difference as it is being done in the world where 100 or 200 people get married in many countries.
We cannot question Allah's limits. Allah knows best that we should marry the women orphans off in fours at the maximum, and we should accept Allah's limits. Probably, if one marries off more than 4 women orphans at a time it will be much more hardship.
God bless,
Tanveer
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Salaams Br.Tanveer,
I said
ALYATAMA Al-nisa?The widows/devorcees/singles.p624-qd.
Alyatama ?The Orphans.
2220, 42, 43, 46 and 410.Alyateem ? The orphan.
6152, 1734, 8017, 939,1072.Sorry but the ayat is talking about the widows in this case who have lost the support (husband).
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O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you) for Allah ever watches over you.
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To Alyatama/widows restore their property , not substitute (your) worthless things for (their) good ones; and devour not their substance (by mixing it up) with your own. For this is indeed a great sin.
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(O mankind) If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly/fairly with the ALYATAMA/widows then Marry women of your choice, Two?s , three?s , four?s; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or ma malakat aimanakum that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.
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And give the women (on marriage) their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, Take it and enjoy it with right good cheer.Look at the context of the ayah to see who is Allah talking about and what hardship Allah is talking about please.Its simple if you cannot handle more then one wife ? if its going to be hard then stick to one only.
And the maximum number is 4 ,and not a 100, but if it was the other way around marrying off then indeed a 100 or 200 wouldn?t make a difference as it is being done in the world where 100 or 200 people get married in many countries .
The next section is about the orphan children
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To those weak of understanding Make not over your property, which Allah hath made a means of support for you, but feed and clothe them therewith, and speak to them words of kindness and justice.
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Make trial of orphans until they reach the age of marriage; if then ye find sound judgment in them, release their property to them; but consume it not wastefully, nor in haste against their growing up. If the guardian is well-off, Let him claim no remuneration, but if he is poor, let him have for himself what is just and reasonable. When ye release their property to them, take witnesses in their presence But all-sufficient is Allah in taking account.You said
"43 And give the orphans their money, and do not replace the good with the bad, and do not consume their money to your money; for truly it is a great sin!
44 And if you fear you can?t do justice to the orphans, then marry off the women (orphans) who have agreed with you to by twos, by threes and by fours. But if you fear that you will be unfair then (marry off) by one or what your right hand possessed as this is better than getting into hardship.Original Text 44
If you see the original text, the word "orphans" (alyatama) is used separate from the word "women" (alnisa) with preposition "min" in between clearly meaning Allah is talking about the orphans, and then the orphans from the women. The original text does not say "alyatama alnisa" but "alyatama...............min alnisa". Also the context of ayat before and after clearly shows that Allah is talking about orphans, and not widowed women.
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And the maximum number is 4 ,and not a 100, but if it was the other way around marrying off then indeed a 100 or 200 wouldn?t make a difference as it is being done in the world where 100 or 200 people get married in many countries.We cannot question Allah's limits. Allah knows best that we should marry the women orphans off in fours at the maximum, and we should accept Allah's limits. Probably, if one marries off more than 4 women orphans at a time it will be much more hardship. "
Rather then our own emotional beliefs i wonder if the people here would look to the two of these quotes and Honestly with hand on their hearts say which makes sense from the english language point of view - Thanks.
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peace to all,
I just dont understand one thing, why on earth a man has to marry a girl just to help ??? Cant we help in any other way...??? Did we come to this world with the purpose to get married ?? Why does we always create a scene as women always need a husband as support ?? OR else what ? Are girls helpless without a man ?
Why do we always try to show that guys are doing a great favore for girls by supporting them??? Doesnt this give the impression that girls are at guys mercy ?
These are very fundamental questions which we should ask ourselves even before trying to understand this verse....
peace
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Salaams shams,
we have to look at this from the point of of some 1400 years ago what was this ayah about then - by looking at the position of the ladies of that time -i think.
But obviously lessons of that time must be aplicable now too.
Gods Blessings.