Are we true believers!

[shukri]

Arabic poem with 7 verses is attributed to the poet Ibn al-Qarih, and it goes as follows

‎أَمَّا الْوَرْدُ فَالْمُغْرِيَّةُ فِيهِ
‎وَأَمَّا الثُّوَى فَالْهَيَامُ فِيهِ
‎وَأَمَّا الزَّهْرُ فَالْجَمَالُ فِيهِ
وَأَمَّا الْوَصْلُ فَالسَّعَادَةُ فِيهِ
‎وَأَمَّا الرَّقِيقُ فَالْحَنَانُ فِيهِ
‎وَأَمَّا الْهَمَّ فَالصَّبْرُ فِيهِ
‎وَأَمَّا الدَّهْرُ فَالزَّوَالُ فِيهِ

Translation
As for the rose, allure lies within it
And as for the aroma, it's in its vigor
And as for the flower, beauty lies within it
And as for connection, happiness lies within it
And as for tenderness, it's in affection
And as for worries, patience lies within them
And as for time, its passing lies within it

letters 19 19 19 21 20 18 19 = 135 total
words 7 verses x 4 words = 28 total
abjad value of poem = 5687 total

190 iterations ~10 multiples, 1900 ~100 multiples
Go start flipping thousands of ways (hide failures!)

ch, verse sequence
1 1234567 = 19 x 591,213

words, total
4444444 28 = 19 x 23391812

letters, words
135 28 = 19 x 172

ch, total words, letters
1 28 19 19 19 21 20 18 19 = 19 x 674,694,311,642,201

ch, verses, words, abjad total
1 7 28 5687 = 19 x 909,773

5687 28 7 1 = 19 x 2,993,309

I’ll leave numerous others as an exercise feel free to continue uncovering additional "facts."

ch, verse sequence
1 1234567 = 19 x 591,213
Every chapter with seven verses will share this code ... nothing special on that!

And know we use the number of letters in each verse
1 19 19 19 21 20 18 19 = 19 x 6273259010622.05 (fail)

We insert the gematrical value of each verse next to the number of letters
1 19 1744 19 857 19 571 21 551 20 804 18 622 19 538 =
19 x 62723378872208269555326739045379975.68 (fail)

AND we insert the verse number before number of letters and gematrical value
1 1 19 1744 2 19 857 3 19 571 4 21 551 5 20 804 6 18 622 7 19 538 =
19 x 589039169466174714285344816884453611722080.94 (fail)

Over a dozen facts of the pattern n = 1 1 * 2 * 3 * 4 * 5 * 6 * 7 * in surah Al-Fatihah given by "Masjid Tucson".
And the calculation of the "probability" is done mainly on this pattern!

Try again!
Thank you.

[jkhan]

@NDP

Yes.. 29 is not 19 ..19 is not 10 and 10 is not 7...

Isn't it so easy to keep these letters on top of 19 chapters? Lol.. You are funny.. Isn't it so easy to select 19 letters for this purpose.. But God does what He does. So be patient.. Truth is the one that prevails, though falsehood is spread everywhere...
If a person has DNA and currency has its features to be called genuine then God's book will definitely have His signature...
No time to waste with pretenders.. There is lot a believer can do for fellow believers using the precious time...

Quran is not just a book just coz we say it is from God, it won't become from God.. But book itself will prove it is the book from God.. Wait patiently.. But even the truth is exposed pretenders won't believe... So good luck in your journey...

[shukri]

Bro Nom,
Look at surah Al-Fatihah below

11 In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful (بِسمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحمٰنِ الرَّحيمِ - basmallah)
12 Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds.
13 The Almighty, the Merciful.
14 Sovereign of the Day of Judgment.
15 You alone we serve, and You alone we seek for help.
16 Guide us to the straight path.
17 The path of those You have graced, not of those who have incurred

You see the "basmallah" in this surah is designated as 11 viz. verse one
And has been designed with its own built-in code 19
https//www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/bp/bp.pdf?

Thus, anyone who wants to produce miracle surah like al-Fatihah also needs to design an opener verse comparable to built-in code 19 of verse 11 (basmallah)! Now the task becomes more difficult and more challenging!

Btw, thanks for your effort to prove something!
Be patient and good luck!

224 If you cannot do this and you can never do this then beware of the Hellfire, whose fuel is people and rocks; it awaits the disbelievers.

Thank you.

Note
In my #Reply 43, the phrase "And know we use the number of letters in each verse" should be read as "And now we use the number of letters in each verse".

Sorry for any inconvenience!

[jkhan]

Bro Nom,
Look at surah Al-Fatihah below

11 In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful (بِسمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحمٰنِ الرَّحيمِ - basmallah)
12 Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds.
13 The Almighty, the Merciful.
14 Sovereign of the Day of Judgment.
15 You alone we serve, and You alone we seek for help.
16 Guide us to the straight path.
17 The path of those You have graced, not of those who have incurred

You see the "basmallah" in this surah is designated as 11 viz. verse one
And has been designed with its own built-in code 19
https//www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/bp/bp.pdf?

Thus, anyone who wants to produce miracle surah like al-Fatihah also needs to design an opener verse comparable to built-in code 19 of verse 11 (basmallah)! Now the task becomes more difficult and more challenging!

Btw, thanks for your effort to prove something!
Be patient and good luck!

224 If you cannot do this and you can never do this then beware of the Hellfire, whose fuel is people and rocks; it awaits the disbelievers.

Thank you.

Note
In my #Reply 43, the phrase "And know we use the number of letters in each verse" should be read as "And now we use the number of letters in each verse".

Sorry for any inconvenience!

Brother Shukri..
Time one spends on anything is worthy if it really meaningful... So don't waste time on pretenders...

Just ask him whether he believes in entire Quran first of all.. I am 100 % sure he is not .. Many a threads of his as NDP and as NWQ is proof for that... Let him reply that he believes in entire Quran... Even he replies Yes.. It is a pretention.. So.. Just relax and use your valuable time in which it has worth...

Note... One thing I realized in my life with Quran is... By going after pretenders to respond them we don't learn anything.. But search to answer true questions of believers raised with right intent then you will learn a lot with true guidance from God... There are a lot that we don't know in Quran to learn, so apply your time on it.. I know it is your life and your freedom to do what you like, but as believer and all believers are brothers I suggest you.. Just avoid.

He doesn't believe in entire Quran, he doubts... So why talk about numeric pattern to a person who in the first place not even accepted Quran in its entirety.. What matters for him symmetry thereafter?
If a son doesn't respect father at all, what benefit informing him that your father is passed away come and show final respect...lol... No use of numerics for those who don't believe in Quran in the first place.

Thank you...

[shukri]

Brother Shukri..
Time one spends on anything is worthy if it really meaningful... So don't waste time on pretenders...

Just ask him whether he believes in entire Quran first of all.. I am 100 % sure he is not .. Many a threads of his as NDP and as NWQ is proof for that... Let him reply that he believes in entire Quran... Even he replies Yes.. It is a pretention.. So.. Just relax and use your valuable time in which it has worth...

Your suggestion is greatly appreciated sun
Thanks.

[good_logic]

Peace All.

Who is GOD addressing here? Those who received GOD s scripture including Qoran are also included, why not?

Those who received the scripture rejoice in what was revealed to you; some others may reject parts of it. Say, "I am simply enjoined to serve/follow/ubud God, and never associate any idols with Him. I invite to Him, and to Him is my ultimate destiny."
وَالَّذينَ ءاتَينٰهُمُ الكِتٰبَ يَفرَحونَ بِما أُنزِلَ إِلَيكَ وَمِنَ الأَحزابِ مَن يُنكِرُ بَعضَهُ قُل إِنَّما أُمِرتُ أَن أَعبُدَ اللَّهَ وَلا أُشرِكَ بِهِ إِلَيهِ أَدعوا وَإِلَيهِ مَـٔابِ

GOD is talking to the generations after Mohammed here as included are all those who received scripture before and Qoran. The messenger here cannot be Mohammed!!!

We revealed these laws in Arabic- locked mathematically with a specific code to preserve it-, and if you ever acquiesce to their wishes, after this knowledge has come to you, you will have no ally, nor a protector, against God.
وَكَذٰلِكَ أَنزَلنٰهُ حُكمًا عَرَبِيًّا وَلَئِنِ اتَّبَعتَ أَهواءَهُم بَعدَما جاءَكَ مِنَ العِلمِ ما لَكَ مِنَ اللَّهِ مِن وَلِىٍّ وَلا واقٍ
We have sent messengers before you, and we made them husbands with wives and children. No messenger can produce a miracle without God's authorization, and in accordance with a specific, predetermined time.
وَلَقَد أَرسَلنا رُسُلًا مِن قَبلِكَ وَجَعَلنا لَهُم أَزوٰجًا وَذُرِّيَّةً وَما كانَ لِرَسولٍ أَن يَأتِىَ بِـٔايَةٍ إِلّا بِإِذنِ اللَّهِ لِكُلِّ أَجَلٍ كِتابٌ
God erases whatever He wills, and fixes. With Him is the original Master Record.
يَمحُوا اللَّهُ ما يَشاءُ وَيُثبِتُ وَعِندَهُ أُمُّ الكِتٰبِ

Or what is being fixed here?

Whether we show you what we promise them, or terminate your life before that, your sole mission is to deliver (the message). It is us who will call them to account.
وَإِن ما نُرِيَنَّكَ بَعضَ الَّذى نَعِدُهُم أَو نَتَوَفَّيَنَّكَ فَإِنَّما عَلَيكَ البَلٰغُ وَعَلَينَا الحِسابُ
Do they not see that every day on earth, brings them closer to the end, and that God decides their life span, irrevocably? He is the most efficient Reckoner.
أَوَلَم يَرَوا أَنّا نَأتِى الأَرضَ نَنقُصُها مِن أَطرافِها وَاللَّهُ يَحكُمُ لا مُعَقِّبَ لِحُكمِهِ وَهُوَ سَريعُ الحِسابِ
Others before them have schemed, but to God belongs the ultimate scheming. He knows what everyone is doing. The disbelievers will find out who the ultimate winners are.
وَقَد مَكَرَ الَّذينَ مِن قَبلِهِم فَلِلَّهِ المَكرُ جَميعًا يَعلَمُ ما تَكسِبُ كُلُّ نَفسٍ وَسَيَعلَمُ الكُفّٰرُ لِمَن عُقبَى الدّارِ
Those who disbelieved will say, "You are not a messenger!" Say, "God suffices as a witness between me and you, and those who possess knowledge of the scripture."
وَيَقولُ الَّذينَ كَفَروا لَستَ مُرسَلًا قُل كَفىٰ بِاللَّهِ شَهيدًا بَينى وَبَينَكُم وَمَن عِندَهُ عِلمُ الكِتٰبِ

Yes Qoran testifies to this . GOD sending a messenger to unveil the mathematical composition of His last scripture.
GOD bless you all.
Peace.

[Nom_de_plume]

ch, verse sequence
1 1234567 = 19 x 591,213
Every chapter with seven verses will share this code ... nothing special on that!

same like 1 3 2 4 3 6 4 6 or any 3 4 6 6 letter words ... nothing special about that!

And know we use the number of letters in each verse
1 19 19 19 21 20 18 19 = 19 x 6273259010622.05 (fail)

they tried letters only first ch (failed!) then tried adding 1 and freaked out!
how many other chapters have the same exact pattern? how many failures?

Over a dozen facts of the pattern n = 1 1 * 2 * 3 * 4 * 5 * 6 * 7 * in surah Al-Fatihah given by "Masjid Tucson".
And the calculation of the "probability" is done mainly on this pattern!

flipping digits and freaking out! did I not say to try it? there are thousands!

eg with only a few totals; forget individual letter values would fill the forum with multiples.

‎أَمَّا الْوَرْدُ فَالْمُغْرِيَّةُ فِيهِ
‎وَأَمَّا الثُّوَى فَالْهَيَامُ فِيهِ
‎وَأَمَّا الزَّهْرُ فَالْجَمَالُ فِيهِ
وَأَمَّا الْوَصْلُ فَالسَّعَادَةُ فِيهِ
‎وَأَمَّا الرَّقِيقُ فَالْحَنَانُ فِيهِ
‎وَأَمَّا الْهَمَّ فَالصَّبْرُ فِيهِ
‎وَأَمَّا الدَّهْرُ فَالزَّوَالُ فِيهِ

Translation
As for the rose, allure lies within it
And as for the aroma, it's in its vigor
And as for the flower, beauty lies within it
And as for connection, happiness lies within it
And as for tenderness, it's in affection
And as for worries, patience lies within them
And as for time, its passing lies within it

letters 19 19 19 21 20 18 19 = 135 total
words 7 verses x 4 words = 28 total
abjad value of poem = 5687 total

v lt w w1 gv1 w2 gv2 w3 gv3 w4 gv4 tot
1 19 4 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1744
2 19 4 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 857
3 19 4 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 571
4 21 4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 551
5 20 4 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 804
6 18 4 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 622
7 19 4 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 538

28 135 28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687

1 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 4 19 1744
2 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 4 19 857
3 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 4 19 571
4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 4 21 551
5 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 4 20 804
6 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 4 18 622
7 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 4 19 538 = 19 x

1
1 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1744 4 19
2 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 857 4 19
3 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 571 4 19
4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 551 4 21
5 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 804 4 20
6 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 622 4 18
7 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 538 4 19 = 19 x

1
1 1744 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 4 19
2 857 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 4 19
3 571 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 4 19
4 551 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 4 21
5 804 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 4 20
6 622 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 4 18
7 538 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 4 19 = 19 x

1
1 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1744 19 4
2 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 857 19 4
3 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 571 19 4
4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 551 21 4
5 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 804 20 4
6 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 622 18 4
7 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 538 19 4
28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 135 28 = 19 x

1
1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 4 19 1744 1
1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 4 19 857 2
1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 4 19 571 3
1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 4 21 551 4
1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 4 20 804 5
1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 4 18 622 6
1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 4 19 538 7 = 19 x

1
1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1744 1 4 19
1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 857 2 4 19
1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 571 3 4 19
1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 551 4 4 21
1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 804 5 4 20
1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 622 6 4 18
1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 538 7 4 19 = 19 x

1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1744 19 1 4
1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 857 19 2 4
1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 571 19 3 4
1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 551 21 4 4
1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 804 20 5 4
1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 622 18 6 4
1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 538 19 7 4
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 135 28 28 = 19 x

1
1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 4 19 1744 1
1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 4 19 857 2
1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 4 19 571 3
1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 4 21 551 4
1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 4 20 804 5
1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 4 18 622 6
1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 4 19 538 7
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 135 5687 28 = 19 x

19 4 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1 1744
19 4 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 2 857
19 4 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 3 571
21 4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 4 551
20 4 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 5 804
18 4 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 6 622
19 4 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 7 538
135 28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 5687 = 19 x

4 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95
4 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95
4 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95
4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95
4 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95
4 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95
4 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95
28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x

4 1 1744 19 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95
4 2 857 19 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95
4 3 571 19 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95
4 4 551 21 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95
4 5 804 20 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95
4 6 622 18 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95
4 7 538 19 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 = 19 x

1
4 1 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1744 19
4 2 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 857 19
4 3 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 571 19
4 4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 551 21
4 5 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 804 20
4 6 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 622 18
4 7 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 538 19 = 19 x

1
4 1 1744 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 19
4 2 857 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 19
4 3 571 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 19
4 4 551 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 21
4 5 804 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 20
4 6 622 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 18
4 7 538 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 19 = 19 x

1
4 1744 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1 19
4 857 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 2 19
4 571 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 3 19
4 551 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 4 21
4 804 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 5 20
4 622 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 6 18
4 538 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 7 19 = 19 x

1
4 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1744 1 19
4 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 857 2 19
4 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 571 3 19
4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 551 4 21
4 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 804 5 20
4 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 622 6 18
4 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 538 7 19 = 19 x

1
4 19 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1 1744
4 19 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 2 857
4 19 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 3 571
4 21 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 4 551
4 20 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 5 804
4 18 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 6 622
4 19 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 7 538
28 135 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 5687 = 19 x

1
4 1 19 1744 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95
4 2 19 857 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95
4 3 19 571 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95
4 4 21 551 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95
4 5 20 804 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95
4 6 18 622 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95
4 7 19 538 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95
28 28 135 5687 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x

4 1744 1 19 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95
4 857 2 19 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95
4 571 3 19 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95
4 551 4 21 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95
4 804 5 20 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95
4 622 6 18 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95
4 538 7 19 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95
28 5687 28 135 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x

1
1744 19 4 1 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95
857 19 4 2 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95
571 19 4 3 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95
551 21 4 4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95
804 20 4 5 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95
622 18 4 6 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95
538 19 4 7 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 = 19 x

1
1744 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1 4 19
857 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 2 4 19
571 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 3 4 19
551 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 4 4 21
804 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 5 4 20
622 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 6 4 18
538 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 7 4 19 = 19 x

1 135 7 14 21 28 28 28 = 19 x
1 135 5687 7 14 21 28 28 28 = 19 x
1 28 28 135 = 19 x
1 28 28 330 1945 2747 665 135 = 19 x
1 5687 330 1945 2747 665 28 135 = 19 x
1 330 1945 2747 665 5687 135 = 19 x
1 28 135 5687 = 19 x
1 28 5687 28 135 = 19 x
1 5687 28 330 1945 2747 665 28 135 = 19 x
1 28 135 28 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
1 28 5687 28 330 1945 2747 665 135 = 19 x
1 28 5687 135 28 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
1 5687 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 28 = 19 x
1 135 28 5687 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 = 19 x
1 28 28 135 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 = 19 x

7 14 21 28 5687 135 = 19 x
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 = 19 x
7 14 21 28 28 1 5687 135 = 19 x
7 14 21 28 28 5687 1 28 135 = 19 x
7 14 21 28 28 5687 28 135 1 = 19 x
7 14 21 28 1 5687 28 28 135 = 19 x
7 14 21 28 135 1 5687 = 19 x
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 1 28 28 135 = 19 x
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 135 28 = 19 x
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 1 135 = 19 x
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 1 28 28 = 19 x
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 135 1 28 = 19 x
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 135 5687 1 28 = 19 x
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 135 5687 28 = 19 x

28 5687 135 = 19 x
28 28 1 5687 330 1945 2747 665 135 = 19 x
28 5687 330 1945 2747 665 135 = 19 x
28 28 5687 7 14 21 28 = 19 x
28 1 28 5687 135 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
28 135 330 1945 2747 665 5687 1 = 19 x
28 330 1945 2747 665 135 5687 1 28 = 19 x
28 330 1945 2747 665 1 135 = 19 x
28 7 14 21 28 28 1 135 5687 = 19 x
28 28 1 5687 135 = 19 x
28 135 1 5687 = 19 x
28 330 1945 2747 665 135 5687 28 = 19 x
28 1 135 330 1945 2747 665 28 5687 = 19 x
28 1 7 14 21 28 135 28 5687 = 19 x
28 28 135 5687 330 1945 2747 665 1 = 19 x
28 135 5687 1 28 7 14 21 28 = 19 x
28 28 135 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
28 135 330 1945 2747 665 28 1 5687 = 19 x
28 5687 1 330 1945 2747 665 28 135 = 19 x
28 135 1 28 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
28 1 135 28 7 14 21 28 = 19 x
28 135 28 7 14 21 28 1 5687 = 19 x
28 1 28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x
28 135 28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x
28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 135 1 28 5687 = 19 x
28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 135 28 1 = 19 x
28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 28 = 19 x
28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 1 28 = 19 x
28 1 135 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 5687 = 19 x
28 135 5687 28 1 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x
28 1 135 5687 28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x
28 5687 28 1 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 135 = 19 x
28 28 135 5687 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 1 = 19 x

135 1 28 = 19 x
135 28 = 19 x
135 28 330 1945 2747 665 5687 1 28 = 19 x
135 28 5687 1 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
135 28 330 1945 2747 665 5687 28 = 19 x
135 5687 28 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
135 5687 1 28 28 = 19 x
135 1 28 330 1945 2747 665 5687 28 = 19 x
135 28 5687 330 1945 2747 665 28 1 = 19 x
135 1 5687 28 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
135 5687 7 14 21 28 28 1 = 19 x
135 28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 = 19 x
135 1 28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 = 19 x

330 1945 2747 665 28 5687 28 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 28 5687 1 28 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 5687 1 28 135 28 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 135 28 1 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 5687 28 135 28 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 5687 28 135 1 28 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 5687 28 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 1 28 135 28 5687 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 135 28 28 5687 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 28 135 1 28 5687 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 135 1 28 5687 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 1 5687 28 28 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 135 28 5687 28 1 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 1 135 28 28 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 5687 1 28 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 28 135 28 1 = 19 x

5687 135 1 = 19 x
5687 330 1945 2747 665 28 1 135 28 = 19 x
5687 1 330 1945 2747 665 135 28 = 19 x
5687 1 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
5687 135 28 7 14 21 28 28 1 = 19 x
5687 7 14 21 28 1 135 = 19 x
5687 28 1 7 14 21 28 135 = 19 x
5687 135 330 1945 2747 665 1 28 28 = 19 x
5687 135 7 14 21 28 1 = 19 x
5687 135 28 28 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
5687 28 1 28 7 14 21 28 = 19 x
5687 330 1945 2747 665 28 1 = 19 x
5687 1 28 28 135 7 14 21 28 = 19 x
5687 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 135 = 19 x
5687 135 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 1 = 19 x
5687 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 135 1 28 28 = 19 x
5687 1 135 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 28 = 19 x
5687 1 28 135 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x
5687 28 28 1 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x
5687 28 135 1 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x

[jkhan]

same like 1 3 2 4 3 6 4 6 or any 3 4 6 6 letter words ... nothing special about that!
they tried letters only first ch (failed!) then tried adding 1 and freaked out!
how many other chapters have the same exact pattern? how many failures?
flipping digits and freaking out! did I not say to try it? there are thousands!

eg with only a few totals; forget individual letter values would fill the forum with multiples.

‎أَمَّا الْوَرْدُ فَالْمُغْرِيَّةُ فِيهِ
‎وَأَمَّا الثُّوَى فَالْهَيَامُ فِيهِ
‎وَأَمَّا الزَّهْرُ فَالْجَمَالُ فِيهِ
وَأَمَّا الْوَصْلُ فَالسَّعَادَةُ فِيهِ
‎وَأَمَّا الرَّقِيقُ فَالْحَنَانُ فِيهِ
‎وَأَمَّا الْهَمَّ فَالصَّبْرُ فِيهِ
‎وَأَمَّا الدَّهْرُ فَالزَّوَالُ فِيهِ

Translation
As for the rose, allure lies within it
And as for the aroma, it's in its vigor
And as for the flower, beauty lies within it
And as for connection, happiness lies within it
And as for tenderness, it's in affection
And as for worries, patience lies within them
And as for time, its passing lies within it

letters 19 19 19 21 20 18 19 = 135 total
words 7 verses x 4 words = 28 total
abjad value of poem = 5687 total

v lt w w1 gv1 w2 gv2 w3 gv3 w4 gv4 tot
1 19 4 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1744
2 19 4 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 857
3 19 4 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 571
4 21 4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 551
5 20 4 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 804
6 18 4 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 622
7 19 4 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 538

28 135 28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687

1 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 4 19 1744
2 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 4 19 857
3 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 4 19 571
4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 4 21 551
5 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 4 20 804
6 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 4 18 622
7 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 4 19 538 = 19 x

1
1 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1744 4 19
2 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 857 4 19
3 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 571 4 19
4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 551 4 21
5 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 804 4 20
6 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 622 4 18
7 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 538 4 19 = 19 x

1
1 1744 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 4 19
2 857 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 4 19
3 571 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 4 19
4 551 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 4 21
5 804 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 4 20
6 622 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 4 18
7 538 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 4 19 = 19 x

1
1 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1744 19 4
2 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 857 19 4
3 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 571 19 4
4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 551 21 4
5 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 804 20 4
6 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 622 18 4
7 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 538 19 4
28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 135 28 = 19 x

1
1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 4 19 1744 1
1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 4 19 857 2
1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 4 19 571 3
1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 4 21 551 4
1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 4 20 804 5
1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 4 18 622 6
1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 4 19 538 7 = 19 x

1
1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1744 1 4 19
1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 857 2 4 19
1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 571 3 4 19
1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 551 4 4 21
1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 804 5 4 20
1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 622 6 4 18
1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 538 7 4 19 = 19 x

1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1744 19 1 4
1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 857 19 2 4
1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 571 19 3 4
1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 551 21 4 4
1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 804 20 5 4
1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 622 18 6 4
1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 538 19 7 4
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 135 28 28 = 19 x

1
1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 4 19 1744 1
1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 4 19 857 2
1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 4 19 571 3
1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 4 21 551 4
1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 4 20 804 5
1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 4 18 622 6
1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 4 19 538 7
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 135 5687 28 = 19 x

19 4 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1 1744
19 4 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 2 857
19 4 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 3 571
21 4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 4 551
20 4 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 5 804
18 4 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 6 622
19 4 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 7 538
135 28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 5687 = 19 x

4 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95
4 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95
4 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95
4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95
4 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95
4 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95
4 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95
28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x

4 1 1744 19 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95
4 2 857 19 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95
4 3 571 19 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95
4 4 551 21 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95
4 5 804 20 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95
4 6 622 18 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95
4 7 538 19 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 = 19 x

1
4 1 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1744 19
4 2 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 857 19
4 3 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 571 19
4 4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 551 21
4 5 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 804 20
4 6 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 622 18
4 7 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 538 19 = 19 x

1
4 1 1744 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 19
4 2 857 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 19
4 3 571 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 19
4 4 551 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 21
4 5 804 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 20
4 6 622 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 18
4 7 538 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 19 = 19 x

1
4 1744 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1 19
4 857 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 2 19
4 571 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 3 19
4 551 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 4 21
4 804 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 5 20
4 622 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 6 18
4 538 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 7 19 = 19 x

1
4 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1744 1 19
4 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 857 2 19
4 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 571 3 19
4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 551 4 21
4 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 804 5 20
4 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 622 6 18
4 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 538 7 19 = 19 x

1
4 19 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1 1744
4 19 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 2 857
4 19 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 3 571
4 21 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 4 551
4 20 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 5 804
4 18 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 6 622
4 19 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 7 538
28 135 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 5687 = 19 x

1
4 1 19 1744 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95
4 2 19 857 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95
4 3 19 571 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95
4 4 21 551 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95
4 5 20 804 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95
4 6 18 622 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95
4 7 19 538 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95
28 28 135 5687 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x

4 1744 1 19 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95
4 857 2 19 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95
4 571 3 19 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95
4 551 4 21 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95
4 804 5 20 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95
4 622 6 18 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95
4 538 7 19 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95
28 5687 28 135 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x

1
1744 19 4 1 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95
857 19 4 2 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95
571 19 4 3 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95
551 21 4 4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95
804 20 4 5 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95
622 18 4 6 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95
538 19 4 7 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 = 19 x

1
1744 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1 4 19
857 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 2 4 19
571 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 3 4 19
551 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 4 4 21
804 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 5 4 20
622 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 6 4 18
538 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 7 4 19 = 19 x

1 135 7 14 21 28 28 28 = 19 x
1 135 5687 7 14 21 28 28 28 = 19 x
1 28 28 135 = 19 x
1 28 28 330 1945 2747 665 135 = 19 x
1 5687 330 1945 2747 665 28 135 = 19 x
1 330 1945 2747 665 5687 135 = 19 x
1 28 135 5687 = 19 x
1 28 5687 28 135 = 19 x
1 5687 28 330 1945 2747 665 28 135 = 19 x
1 28 135 28 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
1 28 5687 28 330 1945 2747 665 135 = 19 x
1 28 5687 135 28 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
1 5687 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 28 = 19 x
1 135 28 5687 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 = 19 x
1 28 28 135 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 = 19 x

7 14 21 28 5687 135 = 19 x
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 = 19 x
7 14 21 28 28 1 5687 135 = 19 x
7 14 21 28 28 5687 1 28 135 = 19 x
7 14 21 28 28 5687 28 135 1 = 19 x
7 14 21 28 1 5687 28 28 135 = 19 x
7 14 21 28 135 1 5687 = 19 x
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 1 28 28 135 = 19 x
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 135 28 = 19 x
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 1 135 = 19 x
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 1 28 28 = 19 x
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 135 1 28 = 19 x
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 135 5687 1 28 = 19 x
7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 135 5687 28 = 19 x

28 5687 135 = 19 x
28 28 1 5687 330 1945 2747 665 135 = 19 x
28 5687 330 1945 2747 665 135 = 19 x
28 28 5687 7 14 21 28 = 19 x
28 1 28 5687 135 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
28 135 330 1945 2747 665 5687 1 = 19 x
28 330 1945 2747 665 135 5687 1 28 = 19 x
28 330 1945 2747 665 1 135 = 19 x
28 7 14 21 28 28 1 135 5687 = 19 x
28 28 1 5687 135 = 19 x
28 135 1 5687 = 19 x
28 330 1945 2747 665 135 5687 28 = 19 x
28 1 135 330 1945 2747 665 28 5687 = 19 x
28 1 7 14 21 28 135 28 5687 = 19 x
28 28 135 5687 330 1945 2747 665 1 = 19 x
28 135 5687 1 28 7 14 21 28 = 19 x
28 28 135 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
28 135 330 1945 2747 665 28 1 5687 = 19 x
28 5687 1 330 1945 2747 665 28 135 = 19 x
28 135 1 28 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
28 1 135 28 7 14 21 28 = 19 x
28 135 28 7 14 21 28 1 5687 = 19 x
28 1 28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x
28 135 28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x
28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 135 1 28 5687 = 19 x
28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 135 28 1 = 19 x
28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 28 = 19 x
28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 1 28 = 19 x
28 1 135 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 5687 = 19 x
28 135 5687 28 1 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x
28 1 135 5687 28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x
28 5687 28 1 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 135 = 19 x
28 28 135 5687 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 1 = 19 x

135 1 28 = 19 x
135 28 = 19 x
135 28 330 1945 2747 665 5687 1 28 = 19 x
135 28 5687 1 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
135 28 330 1945 2747 665 5687 28 = 19 x
135 5687 28 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
135 5687 1 28 28 = 19 x
135 1 28 330 1945 2747 665 5687 28 = 19 x
135 28 5687 330 1945 2747 665 28 1 = 19 x
135 1 5687 28 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
135 5687 7 14 21 28 28 1 = 19 x
135 28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 = 19 x
135 1 28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 5687 = 19 x

330 1945 2747 665 28 5687 28 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 28 5687 1 28 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 5687 1 28 135 28 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 135 28 1 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 5687 28 135 28 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 5687 28 135 1 28 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 5687 28 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 1 28 135 28 5687 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 135 28 28 5687 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 28 135 1 28 5687 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 135 1 28 5687 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 1 5687 28 28 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 135 28 5687 28 1 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 1 135 28 28 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 5687 1 28 = 19 x
330 1945 2747 665 28 135 28 1 = 19 x

5687 135 1 = 19 x
5687 330 1945 2747 665 28 1 135 28 = 19 x
5687 1 330 1945 2747 665 135 28 = 19 x
5687 1 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
5687 135 28 7 14 21 28 28 1 = 19 x
5687 7 14 21 28 1 135 = 19 x
5687 28 1 7 14 21 28 135 = 19 x
5687 135 330 1945 2747 665 1 28 28 = 19 x
5687 135 7 14 21 28 1 = 19 x
5687 135 28 28 330 1945 2747 665 = 19 x
5687 28 1 28 7 14 21 28 = 19 x
5687 330 1945 2747 665 28 1 = 19 x
5687 1 28 28 135 7 14 21 28 = 19 x
5687 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 135 = 19 x
5687 135 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 1 = 19 x
5687 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 135 1 28 28 = 19 x
5687 1 135 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 28 = 19 x
5687 1 28 135 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x
5687 28 28 1 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x
5687 28 135 1 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 = 19 x

Numeric pattern is nothing for you but you are working hard with it....but you would say it is easy just software. Lol...
Never mind.. Keep doing..

Well.. What is the rose (alwazad) and what is FeeHi? May I know?

[Nom_de_plume]

Numeric pattern is nothing for you but you are working hard with it....but you would say it is easy just software. Lol...
Never mind.. Keep doing..

There is no proven pattern or code 19 in the poem and likewise in fatiha or any chapter of the Quran. The method involves flipping numbers and conducting multiple calculations using Excel and a calculator, which can be a tedious process which you guys are too lazy to test other texts using same methods.

https//www.boxentriq.com/code-breaking/big-number-calculator

Here are a few new ones (same miracle poem) for your collection

1
1 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95
2 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95
3 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95
4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95
5 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95
6 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95
7 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 = 19 x …

1 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 19
2 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 19
3 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 19
4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 21
5 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 20
6 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 18
7 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 19
28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 135 = 19 x …

1
1 4 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 19
2 4 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 19
3 4 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 19
4 4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 21
5 4 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 20
6 4 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 18
7 4 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 19 = 19 x …

1
4 1 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 19
4 2 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 19
4 3 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 19
4 4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 21
4 5 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 20
4 6 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 18
4 7 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 19 = 19 x …

1
19 4 1 42 2 241 3 1366 4 95 1
19 4 1 48 2 547 3 167 4 95 2
19 4 1 48 2 243 3 185 4 95 3
21 4 1 48 2 157 3 251 4 95 4
20 4 1 48 2 441 3 220 4 95 5
18 4 1 48 2 76 3 403 4 95 6
19 4 1 48 2 240 3 155 4 95 7
135 28 7 330 14 1945 21 2747 28 665 28 = 19 x …

It's all based on trial and error, with a predictable pattern where 1 out of 19 attempts (approximately 5%) yields results, while the remaining 18 out of 19 attempts (approximately 95%) do not.

This idea is one of the silliest things on the internet, similar to the fact that about 1 out of 14 people in America (approximately 7%) believe that chocolate milk only comes from brown cows, which is humorous. laugh

The suggestion is to implement this approach on various texts, such as random newspapers, poems, or hadiths, without concerning ourselves with the meaning of the content. The purpose is to provide you with a grasp of fundamental probability concepts, emphasizing the importance of incorporating more parameters and their corresponding multiples, which results in a reciprocal relationship.

Well.. What is the rose (alwazad) and what is FeeHi? May I know?

Irrelevant, see above. More relevant how to recite; how would you answer him?

14 Owner/Māliki or Sovereign/Maliki?

Mohammed Hijab ft. 3 Hadith Rejectors (Quranists) || Speakers Corner

https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmwq2hpCtE&lc=Ugxwt-nj2mFMQjUo4I14AaABAg

[jkhan]

Irrelevant, see above. More relevant how to recite; how would you answer him?

14 Owner/Māliki or Sovereign/Maliki?

Mohammed Hijab ft. 3 Hadith Rejectors (Quranists) || Speakers Corner

https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmwq2hpCtE&lc=Ugxwt-nj2mFMQjUo4I14AaABAg

It is relevant... Just explain why FeeHi in connection to the Rose...?

I have dealt with hadith followers.. God clearly has explained what Maliki yuam iddeen in another chapter.. Let hadith followers dig deep. No easy path.. But you Don't iron out my question by adding a new thing..

Note... Let those hadith followers read 8218-19 and reflect well what Malik Yaum iddeen.. I don't want discuss about that now.. Everyone has to study Quran as it deserves.. If they want..

[good_logic]

Wait a minute here!
Are they trying to prove GODs words by Hadith?-Men s words?
What kind of reasoning /logic is this?
What does GOD say about His hadith? His own words?
GOD s words are sufficient. GOD s words do not ned explaining by men s words/explanations. GOD s words are unchangeable and never run out.. GOD is the explainer and only source of His deen.
Let us turn it around the way it should be
What does GOD say about men s hadiths -Any other hadiths besides Qoran?
Or are they not confirming for us that Hadiths come from men and Qoran comes from GOD?
So out of the two, which is more secure in its truth , explanation and reasoning?
The mind boggles!!! They do not value GOD and His words.
End of argument about which words to follow.
GOD bless you all.
Peace.

[jkhan]

Wait a minute here!
Are they trying to prove GODs words by Hadith?-Men s words?
What kind of reasoning /logic is this?
What does GOD say about His hadith? His own words?
GOD s words are sufficient. GOD s words do not ned explaining by men s words/explanations. GOD s words are unchangeable and never run out.. GOD is the explainer and only source of His deen.
Let us turn it around the way it should be
What does GOD say about men s hadiths -Any other hadiths besides Qoran?
Or are they not confirming for us that Hadiths come from men and Qoran comes from GOD?
So out of the two, which is more secure in its truth , explanation and reasoning?
The mind boggles!!! They do not value GOD and His words.
End of argument about which words to follow.
GOD bless you all.
Peace.

Satan has far delved... They all mock at God's verses as they the ancient did... Even God's manifest signs are presented to them they would only mock.. Coz God has kept a path open in order for them to enhance their dirty game... Thwts why every prophet had to go through this satanic infusion... . God's path is ONLY for those guided believers who always wanted with heart the truth coz they indeed believed in God... Yes.. Path is tough but they will reach the destination leaving all falsehood coming along the way which are so identical to truth ... Satans deception is not icing on the cake..

Keep doing good works my brother... Never slacken.. Only little more time left in life.. Let's go ahead. No one can stop humble believers from reaching to the ultimate goal as Satan knows it is not possible to drag God's true servers towards him... Only pretenders and disbelievers will easily get trapped to the bait of Satan...

Success is near brother...keep doing good works.

I love believers coz I can't wait to live with them one day in sha Allah...

[Nom_de_plume]

It is relevant... Just explain why FeeHi in connection to the Rose...?

I have dealt with hadith followers.. God clearly has explained what Maliki yuam iddeen in another chapter.. Let hadith followers dig deep. No easy path.. But you Don't iron out my question by adding a new thing..

Note... Let those hadith followers read 8218-19 and reflect well what Malik Yaum iddeen.. I don't want discuss about that now.. Everyone has to study Quran as it deserves.. If they want..

It’s good you read my post on 8218-19 and already posted translation of poem likewise this nineteen garbage collection works with anything; random rants, nursery rhymes, etc., simply try it for yourself if like wasting time.

Peace and goodbye!

[shukri]

Bro Nom,
Look at surah Al-Fatihah below

11 In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful (بِسمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحمٰنِ الرَّحيمِ - basmallah)
12 Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds.
13 The Almighty, the Merciful.
14 Sovereign of the Day of Judgment.
15 You alone we serve, and You alone we seek for help.
16 Guide us to the straight path.
17 The path of those You have graced, not of those who have incurred

You see the "basmallah" in this surah is designated as 11 viz. verse one
And has been designed with its own built-in code 19
https//www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/bp/bp.pdf?

Thus, anyone who wants to produce miracle surah like al-Fatihah also needs to design an opener verse comparable to built-in code 19 of verse 11 (basmallah)! Now the task becomes more difficult and more challenging!

Bro Nom,
Your opener verse ‎أَمَّا الْوَرْدُ فَالْمُغْرِيَّةُ فِيهِ

Fact 1
The Opener consists of 19 Arabic letters (pass)

Fact 2
The sequence number of each word in the Opener followed by the number of letters
13 25 38 43 = 19 x 697570.68 (fail)

Fact 3
Replace the number of letters in each word in Fact 2 by the total gematrical value of that word
142 2241 31366 495 = 19 x 7485480598236.58 (fail)

Fact 4
Replace the total gematrical value of each word in Fact 3 by the gematrical value of every letter in that word.
11401 213062004 380130401000200105 480105 = 19 x 600063845368651585810578957900288426.58 (fail)

224 If you cannot do this and you can never do this then beware of the Hellfire, whose fuel is people and rocks; it awaits the disbelievers.

Try again!
Have a nice holiday!
Thank you.

[Nom_de_plume]

Bro Nom,
Your opener verse ‎أَمَّا الْوَرْدُ فَالْمُغْرِيَّةُ فِيهِ

Fact 1
The Opener consists of 19 Arabic letters (pass)

Fact 2
The sequence number of each word in the Opener followed by the number of letters
13 25 38 43 = 19 x 697570.68 (fail)

dear shukri, stop embarrassing yourself!

1. all other verses in chapter 1 would fail!
2. 6236*18/19 verses in Qur'an would fail!
3. all verses/text have different multiples!

first line of poem here are only a few (numerous any text!)

4 1744 19 1 1 1401 2 13062004 3 80130401000200105 4 80105 = 19 x …
4 1744 19 1 1401 2 13062004 3 80130401000200105 4 80105 1 = 19 x …
1744 4 1 1401 42 2 13062004 241 3 80130401000200105 1366 4 80105 95 1 = 19 x …

1 1401 42 2 13062004 241 3 80130401000200105 1366 4 80105 95 1 19 4 = 19 x …
1 1401 42 2 13062004 241 3 80130401000200105 1366 4 80105 95 1 4 1744 = 19 x …
1 1401 42 2 13062004 241 3 80130401000200105 1366 4 80105 95 19 1 1744 = 19 x …
1 1401 42 2 13062004 241 3 80130401000200105 1366 4 80105 95 19 1744 4 = 19 x …
1 1401 42 2 13062004 241 3 80130401000200105 1366 4 80105 95 4 19 1744 = 19 x …

4 1 3 1401 42 2 5 13062004 241 3 8 80130401000200105 1366 4 3 80105 95 1 = 19 x …

1 19 1 3 1401 42 2 5 13062004 241 3 8 80130401000200105 1366 4 3 80105 95 = 19 x …
1 3 1401 42 2 5 13062004 241 3 8 80130401000200105 1366 4 3 80105 95 19 4 1 = 19 x …
1 1 3 1401 42 2 5 13062004 241 3 8 80130401000200105 1366 4 3 80105 95 4 = 19 x …

1744 1 4 19 1 1401 42 2 13062004 241 3 80130401000200105 1366 4 80105 95 = 19 x …
4 19 1744 1 1401 42 2 13062004 241 3 80130401000200105 1366 4 80105 95 1 = 19 x …
1 1744 4 1 3 1401 42 2 5 13062004 241 3 8 80130401000200105 1366 4 3 80105 95 = 19 x …

1 3 1401 42 2 5 13062004 241 3 8 80130401000200105 1366 4 3 80105 95 19 1744 = 19 x …
1744 1 3 1401 42 2 5 13062004 241 3 8 80130401000200105 1366 4 3 80105 95 1 4 = 19 x …

4 1744 19 1 3 1401 42 2 5 13062004 241 3 8 80130401000200105 1366 4 3 80105 95 = 19 x …
1744 19 1 3 1401 42 2 5 13062004 241 3 8 80130401000200105 1366 4 3 80105 95 4 1 = 19 x …

4 1744 1 3 1401 42 2 5 13062004 241 3 8 80130401000200105 1366 4 3 80105 95 19 1 = 19 x …
4 19 1 1744 1 3 1401 42 2 5 13062004 241 3 8 80130401000200105 1366 4 3 80105 95 = 19 x …

1 19 1 1 1 2 40 3 1 2 4 1 5 30 6 6 7 200 8 4 3 9 80 10 11 30 12 40 13 1000 14 200 15 10 16 5 4 17 80 18 10 19 5 1744 4 = 19 x …

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you are never to old to learn this very basic 3 grade stuff

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peace and take care!

[shukri]

Bro Nom,

I respect your effort to prove in-built 19 in your miraculous "surah" is on par or better than surah al-Fatihah
And now I propose you to publish your findings officially or make a book on it
This has been done by "Masjid Tucson"
And let the experts in both arabic language and those familiar with the concept of "probability" make a judgement!
Just remember, "probability" is based on proper arrangement of selected parameters and not based on the computer's random permutations!
Just do it if you are truthful!
And then we leave it to the readers to evaluate your astonishing code 19 ;D
I think it's fair and square!

So long!
224 If you cannot do this and you can never do this then beware of the Hellfire, whose fuel is people and rocks; it awaits the disbelievers.

Thank you.

[Nom_de_plume]

Bro Nom,

I respect your effort to prove in-built 19 in your miraculous "surah" is on par or better than surah al-Fatihah
And now I propose you to publish your findings officially or make a book on it
This has been done by "Masjid Tucson"
And let the experts in both arabic language and those familiar with the concept of "probability" make a judgement!
Just remember, "probability" is based on proper arrangement of selected parameters and not based on the computer's random permutations!
Just do it if you are truthful!
And then we leave it to the readers to evaluate your astonishing code 19 ;D
I think it's fair and square!

So long!
224 If you cannot do this and you can never do this then beware of the Hellfire, whose fuel is people and rocks; it awaits the disbelievers.

Thank you.

My dear shukri,

In the Quran, the term "kafir" (or "kāfir&quot is often translated as "disbeliever" or "unbeliever." It is derived from the Arabic root word "kafara," which means "to cover" or "to hide."

It appears that you're still not fully grasping the concept. Let me reiterate there are no limitations when it comes to publishing multiples. This can work with any text, regardless of whether it's in Arabic or any other language and with any length of words or verses, and anyone can generate multiples from gibberish, rap, nursery rhymes, music lyrics, poetry, and more comparable to what was achieved in Chapter 1, and the selection of the poem was chosen randomly to showcase this.

My code was not astonishing nor was it code. I simply did what they did the last 50 years which is nothing more than flipping stuff around and only showing approximately 1/19 or 5% of the expected multiples and I purposely did not show the 18/19 or 95% of the predicted failures.

Albeit I’m more efficient at this and can outperform in a few hours what took them years by slightly modifying excel to test very long digits division using concatenation and mod functions to get by the 15 digit limitation of excel and likewise wrote my own calculator to automate some things otherwise it’s very tedious to paste into a calculator e.g., 1900 times to get only 100 multiples which is the reason you guys are fooled since it’s really boring work and hard to verify and they make it seem like 19 is everywhere when it’s exactly as predicted at only 1/19 or 5% nothing special and they purposely hide 18/19 of all failures. This is a fact!

Regarding the matter of 224 and numerology, it has nothing to do with this discussion. Let's focus on understanding the statement and its intended meaning. I encourage you to read through the content thoroughly.

‎223 وان and if كنتم be you فى in رىب doubt مما from what نزلنا descend we of على on عبدنا devotee ours فاتوا so approaches ye of بسوره with chapter من of مثله similitude it وادعوا and invoke ye of شهدكم witnesses yours من from دون besides الله the God ان if كنتم be you صدقىن sincere

‎224 فان so if لم not تفعلوا thou fulfill ye of ولن and never تفعلوا thou fulfill ye of فاتقوا so heeds ye of النار the fire التى the one وقودها fuel its الناس the people والحجره and the stones اعدت set of (readied) للكفرىن for the rejecters

‎225 وبشر and glad tidings الذىن the ones امنوا believes they of وعملوا and work they of الصلحت the righteousness ان that لهم for them جنت gardens تجرى flow من from تحتها underneath it الانهر the rivers كلما whenever of رزقوا provision they of منها from it من of ثمره fruit رزقا provision of قالوا said they of هذا this الذى the one رزقنا provision us من from قبل before واتوا and given they of به in it متشبها ones analogous its ولهم and for them فىها therein ازوج spouses مطهره pure وهم and they فىها therein خلدون eternally being

‎226 ان indeed الله the God لا not ىستحىى shamed ان that ىضرب striketh مثلا similitude of ما what (even) بعوضه mosquito فما so what (even) فوقها above it فاما so as for الذىن the ones امنوا believes they of فىعلمون so knowing انه that it الحق the truth من from ربهم lord theirs واما and as for الذىن the ones كفروا reject they of فىقولون so speaketh being ماذا what hath اراد intends الله the God بهذا in this مثلا similitude of? ىضل misguided به with it كثىرا many of وىهدى and guided به with it كثىرا many of وما and not ىضل misguided به with it الا except الفسقىن the disobedient

Peace!

[shukri]

Bro Nom,
Thanks for your kind clarification on word "disbelievers" and "Codes"

As usual any subject raised in the forum has pros and cons
Our part just to provide the best explanation to the readers
You have your own reasoning based on your sincerity/intellectual/knowledge and so am I

As we know, there is no compulsion in religion
We are just bound to follow the best of it!

3918 They are the ones who examine all words, then follow the best. These are the ones whom God has guided; these are the ones who possess intelligence.

Peace
Sorry for any inconvenience!

Thank you.