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Are we really slave of God?
I mean everyone regardless of what faith we belong to?Peace,
Yes I am a slave of God. Allah is indeed my Lord and master, my sustainer, my provider, my guardian, my protector, my humiliator, my guide. I am so grateful to my creator who has given so much to one who had so little. Yes, I belong to God, I am the property of my creator. Allah alone owns me.
Allah has made all the rules, so it is to our advantage to obey and to submit to what he declares that is best for us. We can rebel but God warns us that is not the best outcome for his servants.
As for those who rebel, they are still the slaves of God, they are the rebellious slaves but slaves none the less. They are the servants who for many reasons
refuse to submit, but like the submitters. they are confined to the rules that our creator has put in place.God Bless
peace
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Peace,
Yes I am a slave of God. Allah is indeed my Lord and master, my sustainer, my provider, my guardian, my protector, my humiliator, my guide. I am so grateful to my creator who has given so much to one who had so little. Yes, I belong to God, I am the property of my creator. Allah alone owns me.
Allah has made all the rules, so it is to our advantage to obey and to submit to what he declares that is best for us. We can rebel but God warns us that is not the best outcome for his servants.
As for those who rebel, they are still the slaves of God, they are the rebellious slaves but slaves none the less. They are the servants who for many reasons
refuse to submit, but like the submitters. they are confined to the rules that our creator has put in place.God Bless
peace
Slave cannot betray the Master at any given point of time.. Slave must obey always and if not immediately master punishes and he cannot be a slave.. Slave is not for Testing.. Slave is a slave no way out until master releases him..
God has not made slaves but free creatures within limits of their own.. God never interferes with our actions but we are responsible for what we do... It cannot be a slave. We don't have any traits of slaves. Get the definition of slave eight first perhaos you will realize.
Yes.. Once everything is judged and those who destined to hell and while they live in hell, yes they are slaves of God. Aren't they... But not those who live in Janna ..
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Note This word (regardless of meaning) is used for males only.
Peace!
2221
Wa La'amatun Mu'uminatun
ولامه and surely devotee (f) مومنه believer (f)Wa La`abdun Mu'uminun
ولعبد and surely devotee (m) مومن believer (m)2810
Litakūna Mina Al-Mu'uminīna
لتكون to she being من of المومنىن those believers (masculine pl.)Peace!
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2221
Wa La'amatun Mu'uminatun
ولامه and surely devotee (f) مومنه believer (f)Wa La`abdun Mu'uminun
ولعبد and surely devotee (m) مومن believer (m)2810
Litakūna Mina Al-Mu'uminīna
لتكون to she being من of المومنىن those believers (masculine pl.)Peace!
Salam brother!
Mu'uminin or Al-Mu'uminin المومنین is a plural which includes all male and female believers.
العبد is only for males۔
see 2178 where الانثی is used with العبد which shows the clear distinction as well.
Peace!
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Slave cannot betray the Master at any given point of time.. Slave must obey always and if not immediately master punishes and he cannot be a slave.. Slave is not for Testing.. Slave is a slave no way out until master releases him..
God has not made slaves but free creatures within limits of their own.. God never interferes with our actions but we are responsible for what we do... It cannot be a slave. We don't have any traits of slaves. Get the definition of slave eight first perhaos you will realize.
Yes.. Once everything is judged and those who destined to hell and while they live in hell, yes they are slaves of God. Aren't they... But not those who live in Janna ..
Peace jkhan, your reply is confusing, you say "Slave cannot betray the Master at any given point of time." Are you aware of the many slave rebellions?
Could you give your interpretation of verse 1993.
There is none in the heavens and the earth but cometh unto the Beneficent as a slave.
God Bless
peace
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Peace jkhan, your reply is confusing, you say "Slave cannot betray the Master at any given point of time." Are you aware of the many slave rebellions?
Could you give your interpretation of verse 1993.
There is none in the heavens and the earth but cometh unto the Beneficent as a slave.
God Bless
peace
Peace Hawk...
I suggest you just get slave definition right.. Seriously...
There is always positive and negative... If slave rebel and overcome they are not slaves anymore... But in the way they are defined as slave they are just toys of master as long as they remain slave.. They are not called slave without sense.. There is reason why they have been called slave.. But human or jinn or Malika no one is slaves... Just get that right..But Ibadi is to mean serve... My translation for every verse in Quran not Change... In all places Serve root word of Ibad...everyone on this earth and heavens are Ibadi of Allah ... But how they serve him sincerely or insincerely or willingly or unwillingly or positively or negatively or associating not not associating decide what type of Ibadi they turned out... But they all serve Allah... That's why Allah says everything on earth and heavens sujud (submit) to Him willingly or unwillingly... True Ibadi is the one who succeeds.. Even iblees Satan is Ibadi of Allah... But negative... Even SATAN says I afraid my Lord. 5916.. But useless.. His duty / serving never sincere..
We are created to serve.. Is there any purpose other than Ibada Allah in the purpose of creation... Of course nothing.. Serve the Lord.. We are not created to worship Him... But obey that's to say serve as He instructed... Everyone serves/ obeys but only few succeeds coz they serve correctly.... That sums up... Still not getting.. Let me simply with a parable... Suppose one has three sons.. They all call father... They all serve their father... But who's serving was pure, filth free, willingly, positively, sincerely throughout life time towards their father not for his wealth or society or just for the sake of being biological father or any other hidden agenda in those three children then he served father.. Obedience of truth decides what type of Ibadi one was.. No one is slave and compelled..
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I think your post is a bit mixed up, jkhan. "worship" is a good translation of Ibada. And Shaytan does not do this, other than "with partners to Ein", as the eloquent teaching goes. That is what disbelief is.
Peace...
Just coz you say Ein befits, I cannot knod yes.. Just coz you say worship befits I won't... I explore Quran for truth for the self.. Coz I love truth not falsehood...
Worship has nothing wrong if worship is taken in some sense rather than ritual worship... English meaning of worship may not go wrong but serve befits everywhere..Look at the way brother Hawk questioned.. Just asking to elaborate verse 1993 merely.. It has lot of hidden meaning with 1993... Preceding verses speaks about Arrahman and having a son.. If Arrhaman had a son then story is different... So that's the reason Allah clarifies crystal clearly, everyone comes as Servers to Arrahman not as sons ..no.. nothing..just Ibadi.. How they served or their level of serving is not relevant.. So this server is a creation and not biological relation to God. . Why Allah needs to say submit willingly or unwillingly while word submission itself has the meaning of obedience... The obedience / submission can be unwillingly as well or even disobey but still serving in that manner coz everyone is a creation of Allah not sons.. If God has son/s they won't serve The God but we have to serve The God The Son of God.. Everyone is under Him as subservient creature .. but God doesn't reward for their effort just coz they were subservient in some nature... I don't know why you guys not getting this.. How to clarify still.. Hmm.. Look Allah says Don't Serve / obey (Ibada) Satan.. What does that mean? We literally idolworshiping Satan? No.. We obey / serve in his path in our every action in life which is not path of Allah. So we served Satan but we are Ibadi of Allah but disobeyed and associated in serving/submission / obedience.. Ibadi will not change but his action and intention changes. Such people also will face on the day of judgement as Ibadi of Allah but result is negative unfortunately . Coz serving was corrupted though they served something in life.. .. Come on just get the grip of it.. I am afraid I have no more way to present it.. As a last resort let me put this way.. Everyone is employee of a company.. Employee is employee.. Name *employee remains even he works honestly or even cheating or not at all give in return any output ... All employees of Employer... If Employer has a proper record of every employee and if he becomes a judge, then employers would come to know the reality of His employees... Do you get what I am trying to say at least..
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"So we served S(h)a(y)tan but we are Ibadi of Allah"
"Most do not worship Ein except when giving him partners" - Quran.
I think "God" works poorly with this fundamental phrase aswell, but ofcourse if people like this wrong concept, then I can´t reach them.
Peace.
Yes.. You served Satan if you don't follow the path of Allah.. But you are created as Ibadi of Allah.. Purpoae of creation is Ibadat (serving) to Allah..
Well.. Your second paragraph... Is there a verse like that in Quran?
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https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/12/106/
https//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=12&verse=106
https//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Amn#(121062)
is what is translated as believe here though.
Anyway its part of fundamental monotheistic logic.
Peace..
Just be honest brother.. Guidance will flow.. Ibadat and Iman are two different matters and entirely different meaning.... Even you take Ibadat as Worship and Iman as Belief still they both entirely different... So just don't twist verses.. Just translate the word written and don't replace with another arabic word.. God placed words... So find meaning for instead replace yourself another Arabic word there.. Just seek guidance from Allah for yourself and not for debating or showing and pass time.. But seek guidance for your benefit.. Then story is different... You won't say what you say next time..
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Salam...
Most of you raised concern has not got what Ibadat means in the first place, so perhaps you will realize the issue of slave...
First and foremost word (abd) in Quran occurs in chapter one... IyyaKa na'budu... It continues... Just realize it and remember verse 5156 in connection with this...
So chapter one it says We serve You and we seek help in You .. And then says guide us to the path of straight ...
Now get the grip.. This Siratha musthaqeem is what need to practice and that is Ibadat when applied in action...
So men and jinn are created except to serve Him as 5156 stated... Jin here is all malaika Satan and all normal Jinns.. They all are Jinns created fire based though their status are different as Malika satan etc..Siratha musthaqeem = Ibadat... When?
So following the path of straight is serving the Lord.. If following any other path then deviating from serving/.ibadath though Ibadat is done but not in line with Siratha musthaqeem...Thank you..
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Salam...
Most of you raised concern has not got what Ibadat means in the first place, so perhaps you will realize the issue of slave...
First and foremost word (abd) in Quran occurs in chapter one... IyyaKa na'budu... It continues... Just realize it and remember verse 5156 in connection with this...
So chapter one it says We serve You and we seek help in You .. And then says guide us to the path of straight ...
Now get the grip.. This Siratha musthaqeem is what need to practice and that is Ibadat when applied in action...
So men and jinn are created except to serve Him as 5156 stated... Jin here is all malaika Satan and all normal Jinns.. They all are Jinns created fire based though their status are different as Malika satan etc..Siratha musthaqeem = Ibadat... When?
So following the path of straight is serving the Lord.. If following any other path then deviating from serving/.ibadath though Ibadat is done but not in line with Siratha musthaqeem...Thank you..
Peace...
If anyone still thinks merely word Ibadi is someone who is good then carefully read verses 7128 and 1963 ... Inheritance God may give to anyone in this world so Allah said simply un 7128 ..." ... Whome he wills of His servers.... " it means everyone is Ibadi and Allah gives as He wills... But in the hereafter inheritenxe is only to those who became thoroughly concious (Muttaqeen) ...
Similarly 1963 Allah says He bestows the Janna to His Ibadi / Servers who were concious... So everyone is Ibadi but not concious except few... Just reflect independently... Allah could have said simply I give Janna to His Ibadi if in fact all Ibadi are on the positive side...