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  • shukriS Offline
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    shukri
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    1. Al Quran is the word of God

    Al Quran is not a man made book.
    It is a divine revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
    There is a challenge for the people in doubt.
    Please see 223-24

    223 If you have any doubt regarding what we revealed to our servant, then produce one sura like these, and call upon your own witnesses against God, if you are truthful.
    224 If you cannot do this - and you can never do this - then beware of the Hellfire, whose fuel is people and rocks; it awaits the disbelievers.

    Nowadays, there ware findings by people from "Masjid Tucson" about the miracle-19 of surah Al-Fatehah i.e. surah 1

    Please see this links
    (1) Bismillah with in-built code 19 ... https//www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/bp/bp.pdf
    (2) Al-Fatehah with in-built code 19 ... http//www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/bp2/BeyondProbability_TheKey_AlFatehah.pdf?
    (Beyond Probability, God's Message in Mathematics, The Opening Chapter of the Quran, Sura 1 Al-Fatehah)

    The question arises from this discovery
    Do we think the phenomenon of 19 denominators in Bismillah (the first verse of surah Al-Fatehah) and the whole surah of Al-Fatehah happen by chance (coincidently happen)!
    OR are they designed by the Omniscient and the Most Wise!

    Why number 19!
    7430 Over it is nineteen.
    7431 We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (nineteen)

    (1) to disturb the disbelievers,
    (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture),
    (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful,
    (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and
    (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did God mean by this allegory?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.

    7435 This is one of the great ones (miracles).
    7436 A warning to the human race.
    7437 For those among you who wish to advance, or regress.

    For information only!
    Thank you.

    Best regards,
    shukri

    Ends.

    "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred"

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      1. Al Quran is the word of God

      Al Quran is not a man made book.
      It is a divine revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
      There is a challenge for the people in doubt.
      Please see 223-24

      223 If you have any doubt regarding what we revealed to our servant, then produce one sura like these, and call upon your own witnesses against God, if you are truthful.
      224 If you cannot do this - and you can never do this - then beware of the Hellfire, whose fuel is people and rocks; it awaits the disbelievers.

      Nowadays, there ware findings by people from "Masjid Tucson" about the miracle-19 of surah Al-Fatehah i.e. surah 1

      Please see this links
      (1) Bismillah with in-built code 19 ... https//www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/bp/bp.pdf
      (2) Al-Fatehah with in-built code 19 ... http//www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/bp2/BeyondProbability_TheKey_AlFatehah.pdf?
      (Beyond Probability, God's Message in Mathematics, The Opening Chapter of the Quran, Sura 1 Al-Fatehah)

      The question arises from this discovery
      Do we think the phenomenon of 19 denominators in Bismillah (the first verse of surah Al-Fatehah) and the whole surah of Al-Fatehah happen by chance (coincidently happen)!
      OR are they designed by the Omniscient and the Most Wise!

      Why number 19!
      7430 Over it is nineteen.
      7431 We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (nineteen)

      (1) to disturb the disbelievers,
      (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture),
      (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful,
      (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and
      (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did God mean by this allegory?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.

      7435 This is one of the great ones (miracles).
      7436 A warning to the human race.
      7437 For those among you who wish to advance, or regress.

      For information only!
      Thank you.

      Best regards,
      shukri

      Ends.

      Don't be so kind to hypocrites and they don't deserve your kind words, and they must be mocking at your question.
      Masjid Al Haram was neither in Mecca nor Petra and even if I tell you where it was it won't make any difference to you. Just adhere to verses of Allah and let Him guide you and don't go after weak people like Smith and his sucker.

      Just rely on Allah and live your life. You and your 19 are confusing you. Concentrate on clear verses and live the life. Would you? Which of your ancestors benefited from 19? You seem like a crazy mathematician, and you accept someone who saw a dream in the Masjid Al Haram of Modern days. Rashed Kalifa was lifted to Heaven from Mecca, and is that what you believe? rotfl rotfl Some peoples' craziness never diminishes. At the same time, you say to these two hypocrites that Petra was the true location. Are you mad?

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        Hey RoboMaza

        https//i.postimg.cc/kM1WkdMf/20-10-2024-05-08-49-REC.png

        It proved you are a liar. Dirty minded!

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          It proved you are a liar. Dirty minded!

          What the fk you're talking about? You are a damn psychopath. Girls on the other day and now you calling me a liar. Crazy psycho. What did I lie you fool?

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            Don't be so kind to hypocrites and they don't deserve your kind words, and they must be mocking at your question.

            16125 You shall invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones.

            Masjid Al Haram was neither in Mecca nor Petra and even if I tell you where it was it won't make any difference to you.

            O good genie
            Where is it?

            Which of your ancestors benefited from 19?

            Every one is benefited
            Even ahlul-kitab (followers of the scripture) during Muhammad's time knew the significance of number 19 in God's scripture.

            The proof
            1094 If you (Muhammad) have any doubt regarding what is revealed to you from your Lord, then ask those who read the previous scripture. Indeed, the truth has come to you from your Lord. Do not be with the doubters.
            7430 Over it is nineteen.

            1094 --> 10 + 94 = 104
            7430 --> 74 + 30 = 104

            AND
            1094 --> 1+0 + 9+4 = 14
            7430 --> 7+4 + 3+0 = 14

            (Indication The verse 1094 is related to verse 7430)

            OR you can go to this link for additional info
            https//whoisourcreator.blogspot.com/2008/09/rabbi-judah-pious-witnesses.html
            https//submission.org/Short_History_of_Miracle.html

            You seem like a crazy mathematician, and you accept someone who saw a dream in the Masjid Al Haram of Modern days. Rashed Kalifa was lifted to Heaven from Mecca, and is that what you believe? Some peoples' craziness never diminishes.

            Please differentiate the words "in the Masjid Al Haram" and "during his Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca"
            Are you sure he saw a dream in "the Masjid Al Haram"!
            https//submission.org/App2.html

            At the same time, you say to these two hypocrites that Petra was the true location. Are you mad?

            Please see the link https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611307.10
            Reply #15-18

            Just rely on Allah and live your life. You and your 19 are confusing you.

            My Question to you
            There are five objectives of number 19 in verse 7431
            Which one do you belong to?

            7430 Over it is nineteen.
            7431 We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (nineteen)
            (a) to disturb the disbelievers,
            (b) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture),
            (c) to strengthen the faith of the faithful,
            (d) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and
            (e) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did God mean by this allegory?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.

            Thank you.

            "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred"

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              good_logic
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              Peace Shukri.
              Please check this conversation, I have checked and agree with the refutation

              Dan Gibson was writing half fiction and doctored Academic research.

              https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK9jLw9v4Nw
              GOD bless you.
              Peace.

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                16125 You shall invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones.

                O good genie
                Where is it?

                Every one is benefited
                Even ahlul-kitab (followers of the scripture) during Muhammad's time knew the significance of number 19 in God's scripture.

                The proof
                1094 If you (Muhammad) have any doubt regarding what is revealed to you from your Lord, then ask those who read the previous scripture. Indeed, the truth has come to you from your Lord. Do not be with the doubters.
                7430 Over it is nineteen.

                1094 --> 10 + 94 = 104
                7430 --> 74 + 30 = 104

                AND
                1094 --> 1+0 + 9+4 = 14
                7430 --> 7+4 + 3+0 = 14

                (Indication The verse 1094 is related to verse 7430)

                OR you can go to this link for additional info
                https//whoisourcreator.blogspot.com/2008/09/rabbi-judah-pious-witnesses.html
                https//submission.org/Short_History_of_Miracle.html

                Please differentiate the words "in the Masjid Al Haram" and "during his Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca"
                Are you sure he saw a dream in "the Masjid Al Haram"!
                https//submission.org/App2.html

                Please see the link https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611307.10
                Reply #15-18

                My Question to you
                There are five objectives of number 19 in verse 7431
                Which one do you belong to?

                7430 Over it is nineteen.
                7431 We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (nineteen)
                (a) to disturb the disbelievers,
                (b) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture),
                (c) to strengthen the faith of the faithful,
                (d) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and
                (e) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did God mean by this allegory?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.

                Thank you.

                My mind says you are a good and polite person like Japanese, but you are too much. So I give you a little respect.

                Ya Halwa! Don't add words at your will to point out what is in your mind. There is no word 'KIND' in the verse 16'125.
                Invite people who are unaware and what is the point of inviting those who are mocking by already knowing the verses and twisting them? Just say Salam and move on.

                That's lots of questions hailed at me. You think I am an encyclopedia or tireless AI. You mean No. 19 your so-called Messenger invented, or you mean about No. 19 of the verse 74'30.

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                  shukri
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                  Peace Shukri.
                  Please check this conversation, I have checked and agree with the refutation

                  Dan Gibson was writing half fiction and doctored Academic research.

                  https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK9jLw9v4Nw
                  GOD bless you.
                  Peace.

                  If you read my post in Reply #15-18 of this link https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611307.10
                  My finding was not solely depend on Dan Gibson discovery
                  Also not entirely bound to the points given by the thread starter Mr. Mahdi, our quranist brother
                  But it related mainly to mathematical analysis of verses

                  9107 And there are those who have taken a temple/masjid to do harm and cause rejection, and to divide between the believers, and as an outpost for those who fought God and His messenger before. They will swear that they only wanted to do good, and God bears witness that they are liars.
                  9108 Do not stand in it ever. A temple/masjid that is founded on righteousness from the first day is more worthy that you stand in it; in it are men who love to purify themselves. And God loves the purified.
                  9109 Is he who founds his building on obtaining righteousness from God and His acceptance better, or he who founds his building on the edge of a cliff which is about to crumble, so that it crumbled with him into the fires of Hell? And God does not guide the wicked people.
                  9110 Their buildings that they built continue to cause doubt in their hearts, until their hearts are severed. And God is Knowledgeable, Wise.

                  Peace!
                  Thank you.

                  "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred"

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                    good_logic
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                    Thanks brother Shukri.
                    I was just giving you that specific information.
                    For me GOD is every where, it is fine to believe your way . I have not got any issue with you following according to your faculties/findings.
                    You seem honest and best of luck to you.
                    GOD bless you.
                    Peace.

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                      centi50
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                      Salam centi50

                      I have been following his videos for the past several years
                      I personally very appreciate his commentary on various issues about the Quran and our faith
                      He and his evangelist fellow Mr. Al Fadi (ex-muslim from Saudi Arabia) on some occasions has given me something to reflect about our faith/religion
                      Thanks a lot Mr. Jay and Mr. Fadi for your contribution!

                      The links
                      Jay Smith ... https//foclonline.org/users/jay-smith
                      Al Fadi ... https//cirainternational.com/

                      As a Muslim, I think we should respond to some important issues raised by them
                      AND as a start, I have contacted them and conveyed two brief messages for their attention/consideration, titled

                      1. The true Mecca/Becca is in Petra
                      2. Al Quran is the word of God

                      I'm not a scholar to debate with them but we should convey any input/message which we think they may not be aware of!

                      May God show us a straight path!
                      All praise be to God!

                      Thank you.

                      Salam bro,

                      You are right people in here should be able to respond to these evangelical Christians and show that they are understanding things wrong or are wrong

                      God bless all

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                        centi50
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                        He naively ignores what forensic linguistics is while building up his basic argument and stance.

                        Salam bro,

                        What is it that they ignore? Can you point it out? Or refute their claims

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                          centi50
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                          Here is the true narrative that both Traditional Muslims and Jay Smith are not able to refute in their so called debate
                          True Islam is not the religion of the Traditional Muslims not is it an identity of any other religions like Christians , Judaism or any man made religion.

                          Islam is an attitude of mind and a way of life towards GOD our creator. It is GOD s only "religion" subscribed through all His prophets and messengers throughout the humans existence.

                          Mr Jay is right to criticise Traditional Islam that follows men s books -Hadiths- and contradicts /misinterprets Qoran. They have put themselves in a dire situation with their false interpretations and nonsense rules full of contradictions, hearsay and fables. They use Qoran for recitations and ceremonies and ignore or are ignorant of its true message.

                          Mr jay himself isolate verses out of context and claims he has Scientific evidence of a made up history and origin of Qoran.

                          Is he refuting Qoran and true Islam? He only thinks he is. he has no intention of studying Qoran sincerely, with honesty and solid knowledge. His agenda is to oppose and refute Traditional Islam.

                          Why are you putting true Islam and traditional Islam in the same religion brother centi50?

                          As far as I am concerned Jay Smith , his supporters along with traditional Islam and its supporters are both debating false religions. false history and false narratives. Nothing to do with GOD s true religion.
                          GOD bless you all.
                          Peace.

                          Slama Gl

                          No brother I am not pushing Traditional Islam. But I would like to see the argument they put forward is refuted.

                          I don't believe in traditional Islam at all. There are very great minds in this forum who can refute these people in their channels. That's what I would love to happening

                          God bless you

                          God bless you

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                            centi50
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                            "Information Only"

                            Below are the copy paste of my messages to both of them

                            1. The true Mecca/Becca is in Petra

                            To Mr. Jay Smith/Al Fadi

                            I have seen a lot of Dan Gibson and your videos on the issue of the Masjidil Haram/Qibla during and after Muhammad's time
                            I believe you are very right that Makkah al-Mukarramah in Saudi Arabia is not the original place of Mecca/Becca where Muhammad was born
                            It is Petra in Jordan and the one in Makkah al-Mukarramah is a fake and unauthorised by God

                            I just watched your video "#28 FINALLY, A Rock Inscription Proves Mecca was "BUILT" late!" and this information is a great discovery!
                            Thanks for the video!

                            Note
                            If you don't mind, please go to this link https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611307.0

                            You will find that some Quranists (GOD alone, Quran alone) believed the authorised original Masjidil Haram/Qibla is situated in Petra, Jordan
                            AND the shift to unauthorised sites is prophesied in the Quran via verses 9107-110
                            Please see #Reply 15-18 on the link!

                            9107 And some have taken a temple/masjid to do harm and cause rejection, and to divide between the believers, and as an outpost for those who fought God and His messenger before. They will swear that they only wanted to do good, and God bears witness that they are liars.
                            9108 Do not stand in it ever. A temple/masjid that is founded on righteousness from the first day is more worthy that you stand in it; in it are men who love to purify themselves. And God loves the purified.
                            9109 Is he who founds his building on obtaining righteousness from God and His acceptance better, or he who founds his building on the edge of a cliff which is about to crumble, so that it crumbled with him into the fires of Hell? And God does not guide the wicked people.
                            9110 The buildings that they built continue to cause doubt in their hearts until their hearts are severed. And God is Knowledgeable and wise.

                            The mathematical analysis of verses 9107-110 proves that your findings on this "shifting" issue of Masjidil Haram/Qibla are correct!
                            Anyway, this message is just for information only!

                            Thank you.

                            Glory be to God!

                            To be continued ...

                            Salam bro shukri,

                            You might want to see this channel,

                            https//youtu.be/WmsjGAAw4Uw

                            https//youtu.be/fTGxUHRfq9I

                            Or

                            https//youtube.com/@abu_ali_hail?si=I7pLV17N5AHxhhJ1

                            Or read the book.

                            Egypt knew neither Pharaoh nor Moses

                            https//www.amazon.com/Egypt-knew-Pharaohs-nor-Israelites-ebook/dp/B00U8VK8JE

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                              hawk99
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                              Peace centi50,

                              Could we address their points of contention one at a time, rather than having to sit
                              thru their entire discussion. pr

                              God bless you

                              peace

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                                shukri
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                                Salam bro shukri,

                                You might want to see this channel,
                                https//youtu.be/WmsjGAAw4Uw

                                https//youtu.be/fTGxUHRfq9I

                                Or

                                https//youtube.com/@abu_ali_hail?si=I7pLV17N5AHxhhJ1

                                Or read the book.

                                Egypt knew neither Pharaoh nor Moses

                                https//www.amazon.com/Egypt-knew-Pharaohs-nor-Israelites-ebook/dp/B00U8VK8JE

                                The information given in those channels/book is quite new for me!
                                Thanks a lot brother!

                                Salam.

                                "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred"

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                                  Bajram_Hoxhaj
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                                  The question arises from this discovery
                                  Do we think the phenomenon of 19 denominators in Bismillah (the first verse of surah Al-Fatehah)

                                  Salaam shukri,

                                  I've already demonstrated that this method works for any text—whether it's ماري كان لديها حمل صغير ("Mary had a little lamb," for instance)—or any other verses, including 9128-129, which contain 19 words and 114 letters (19 x 6). This yields a 1/19 probability. The approach they used involved selecting 9 or more variables, shifting columns, reporting only multiples, and omitting 18 out of 19 failed trials. For example, they might manipulate values like 26040 بِسْمِ by combining the first and last digits (2 + 40 = 42) or calculating 102 + 3 = 105, and so on.

                                  https//www.mathsisfun.com/combinatorics/combinations-permutations-calculator.html
                                  Using permutations without repetition (where n=9, r=2; n=9, r=3), the sums are 9 + 72 + 504, resulting in 585. Doubling this total for combinations in the x1, x2, x3, and x4 formats yields 1,170 numbers. Dividing these numbers by 7 yields over 160 multiples; by 11, over 100 multiples; by 19, approximately 61 multiples; and by 29, around 40 multiples, and so on.

                                  "Another" example
                                  وَأَنَّ عَلَيْهِ النَّشْأَةَ الْأُخْرَىٰ
                                  19 letters
                                  1 19 3466 = 19 x 19 x 174
                                  123 + 4567 + 8910111213 + 141516171819 = 150426287722 = 19 x 7917173038
                                  6150 7030105 130503001400 130160020010 = 19 x 32372121107963422632315857978957900

                                  1 6150 57 3 3 57 60 56 123 123
                                  2 7030105 115 4 7 172 119 75 1234 4567
                                  3 130503001400 387 6 13 559 393 6 123456 8910111213
                                  4 130160020010 842 6 19 1401 848 11 123456 141516171819

                                  Likewise, all these are multiples

                                  1 3 2 4 3 6 4 6
                                  1 3 2 7 3 13 4 19
                                  1 56 3 2 75 4 3 401 6 4 11 6
                                  1 3 3 57 2 7 4 172 3 13 75 559 4 19 75 1401
                                  1 3 3 57 2 4 7 172 3 75 13 559 4 75 19 1401
                                  1 56 3 57 2 75 4 115 3 6 75 387 4 11 75 842
                                  1 57 3 3 2 172 7 4 3 559 13 75 4 1401 19 6
                                  1 57 56 3 2 172 75 4 3 559 6 75 4 1401 11 6
                                  1 3 56 57 2 7 75 172 3 13 6 559 4 19 11 1401
                                  1 57 56 60 2 172 75 119 3 559 6 393 4 1401 11 848
                                  1 60 123 3 2 119 1234 4 3 393 123456 75 4 848 123456 6
                                  1 60 3 123 2 119 7 1234 3 393 13 123456 4 848 19 123456
                                  1 3 57 123 2 7 172 1234 3 13 559 123456 4 19 1401 123456
                                  1 123 56 57 2 1234 75 172 3 123456 6 559 4 123456 11 1401
                                  1 3 123 60 2 4 4567 119 3 75 8910111213 393 4 75 141516171819 848
                                  1 3 56 6150 2 7 75 703060 3 13 6 130503001400 4 19 11 130160020010
                                  1 60 56 123 2 119 75 4567 3 393 6 8910111213 4 848 11 141516171819
                                  1 123 60 57 2 4567 119 115 3 8910111213 393 387 4 141516171819 848 842
                                  1 60 6150 3 2 119 703060 7 3 393 130503001400 13 4 848 130160020010 19
                                  1 57 3 6150 2 172 4 703060 3 559 75 130503001400 4 1401 75 130160020010
                                  1 6150 123 2 7030105 1234 3 130503001400 123456 4 130160020010 123456
                                  1 6150 57 56 2 703060 172 75 3 130503001400 559 6 4 130160020010 1401 41
                                  1 123 57 123 2 1234 172 4567 3 123456 559 8910111213 4 123456 1401 141516171819
                                  1 6150 123 2 703060 4567 3 130503001400 8910111213 4 130160020010 141516171819
                                  1 57 6150 123 2 172 703060 1234 3 559 130503001400 123456 4 1401 130160020010 123456
                                  1 6150 123 57 2 703060 1234 172 3 130503001400 123456 559 4 130160020010 123456 1401
                                  1 60 6150 123 2 119 703060 4567 3 393 130503001400 8910111213 4 848 130160020010 141516171819
                                  1 6150 123 123 2 703060 1234 4567 3 130503001400 123456 8910111213 4 130160020010 123456 141516171819

                                  3 57 1 4 115 2 75 387 3 75 842 4
                                  3 3 56 1 7 4 75 2 13 75 6 3 19 75 41 4
                                  57 60 1 115 119 2 387 393 3 842 848 4
                                  57 3 3 1 115 7 4 2 387 13 75 3 842 19 6 4
                                  57 3 3 1 115 4 7 2 387 75 13 3 842 75 19 4
                                  56 60 3 1 75 119 7 2 6 393 13 3 11 848 19 4
                                  60 56 3 1 119 75 7 2 393 6 13 3 848 11 19 4
                                  123 3 1 1234 4 2 123456 75 3 123456 75 4
                                  123 1 4567 2 8910111213 3 141516171819 4
                                  3 60 57 1 4 119 172 2 75 393 559 3 75 848 1401 4
                                  123 3 1 4567 4 2 8910111213 75 3 141516171819 75 4
                                  123 60 3 1 1234 119 7 2 123456 393 13 3 123456 848 19 4
                                  3 123 60 1 4 1234 119 2 75 123456 393 3 75 123456 848 4
                                  123 60 57 1 1234 119 115 2 123456 393 387 3 123456 848 842 4
                                  3 123 3 1 4 4567 7 2 75 8910111213 13 3 75 141516171819 19 4
                                  3 56 123 1 7 75 4567 2 13 6 8910111213 3 19 11 141516171819 4
                                  123 3 57 1 4567 7 172 2 8910111213 13 559 3 141516171819 19 1401 4
                                  123 56 57 1 4567 75 115 2 8910111213 6 387 3 141516171819 11 842 4
                                  57 3 6150 1 115 7 703060 2 387 13 130503001400 3 842 19 130160020010 4
                                  6150 57 3 1 703060 172 4 2 130503001400 559 75 3 130160020010 1401 6 4
                                  3 6150 57 1 7 703060 172 2 13 130503001400 559 3 19 130160020010 1401 4
                                  60 57 123 1 119 172 4567 2 393 559 8910111213 3 848 1401 141516171819 4
                                  6150 3 57 1 703060 4 172 2 130503001400 75 559 3 130160020010 75 1401 4
                                  6150 57 3 1 703060 172 7 2 130503001400 559 13 3 130160020010 1401 19 4
                                  123 3 123 1 1234 4 4567 2 123456 75 8910111213 3 123456 75 141516171819 4
                                  57 57 6150 1 115 172 703060 2 387 559 130503001400 3 842 1401 130160020010 4
                                  6150 123 3 1 703060 1234 4 2 130503001400 123456 75 3 130160020010 123456 6 4
                                  123 123 57 1 4567 1234 172 2 8910111213 123456 559 3 141516171819 123456 1401 4
                                  123 6150 57 1 4567 703060 172 2 8910111213 130503001400 559 3 141516171819 130160020010 1401 4

                                  It's easy to verify simply copy and paste each item or the entire set into a calculator and use the X/Y MOD button.

                                  https//www.calculator.net/big-number-calculator.html

                                  The proof
                                  1094 If you (Muhammad) have any doubt regarding what is revealed to you from your Lord, then ask those who read the previous scripture. Indeed, the truth has come to you from your Lord. Do not be with the doubters.
                                  7430 Over it is nineteen.

                                  1094 --> 10 + 94 = 104
                                  7430 --> 74 + 30 = 104

                                  AND
                                  1094 --> 1+0 + 9+4 = 14
                                  7430 --> 7+4 + 3+0 = 14

                                  (Indication The verse 1094 is related to verse 7430)

                                  No, not really since
                                  1094 = 104 1 0 9 4 = 14
                                  1193 = 104 1 1 9 3 = 14
                                  1292 = 104 1 2 9 2 = 14
                                  2084 = 104 2 0 8 4 = 14
                                  2183 = 104 2 1 8 3 = 14
                                  2381 = 104 2 3 8 1 = 14
                                  3371 = 104 3 3 7 1 = 14
                                  4064 = 104 4 0 6 4 = 14
                                  4361 = 104 4 3 6 1 = 14
                                  5153 = 104 5 1 5 3 = 14
                                  5351 = 104 5 3 5 1 = 14
                                  5450 = 104 5 4 5 0 = 14
                                  7034 = 104 7 0 3 4 = 14
                                  7430 = 104 7 4 3 0 = 14
                                  8024 = 104 8 0 2 4 = 14
                                  8123 = 104 8 1 2 3 = 14
                                  8321 = 104 8 3 2 1 = 14
                                  8420 = 104 8 4 2 0 = 14
                                  9014 = 104 9 0 1 4 = 14
                                  9113 = 104 9 1 1 3 = 14
                                  9212 = 104 9 2 1 2 = 14
                                  9311 = 104 9 3 1 1 = 14

                                  Perhaps something like this

                                  ق total = 7034 The Prime Factorization is 2 x 3517
                                  likewise, 703423517 is a prime number.

                                  ق start = 2288 The Prime Factorization is 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 11 x 13
                                  likewise, 228822221113 is a prime number.

                                  ق ending = 737 The Prime Factorization is 11 x 67
                                  likewise, 7371167 is a prime number.

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                                    shukri
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                                    #27

                                    I've already demonstrated that this method works for any text—whether it's ماري كان لديها حمل صغير ("Mary had a little lamb," for instance)—or any other verses, including 9128-129, which contain 19 words and 114 letters (19 x 6). This yields a 1/19 probability. The approach they used involved selecting 9 or more variables, shifting columns, reporting only multiples, and omitting 18 out of 19 failed trials. For example, they might manipulate values like 26040 بِسْمِ by combining the first and last digits (2 + 40 = 42) or calculating 102 + 3 = 105, and so on.
                                    .
                                    .

                                    No need to bring up this matter again
                                    Enough is enough!

                                    Once again, please consult your maths professor and show him the "Masjid Tucson's findings"
                                    AND then you will know whether the "Masjid Tucson's codes" are coincidentally happened or divinely designed!

                                    Also, if you think you are very right
                                    Please send your rebuttals (in your Reply #26) to Mr. Jay Smith and Mr. Al Fadi
                                    Stated that my message to them titled "Al Quran is the word of God" is null and void
                                    And ask them to abandon my previous message
                                    That's the best thing you should do, I suppose!

                                    No, not really since
                                    1094 = 104 1 0 9 4 = 14
                                    1193 = 104 1 1 9 3 = 14
                                    1292 = 104 1 2 9 2 = 14
                                    2084 = 104 2 0 8 4 = 14
                                    .
                                    .

                                    To understand why only verse 7430 is fit for verse 1094, we should look the context of verse 1094

                                    1094 If you have any doubt regarding what is revealed to you from your Lord, then ask those who read the previous scripture. Indeed, the truth has come to you from your Lord. Do not be with the doubters.
                                    1095 Nor shall you join those who rejected God's signs, lest you be with the losers.
                                    1096 Surely, those condemned by a decree from your Lord cannot believe.
                                    1097 No matter what kind of sign you show them, (they cannot believe), until they see the painful retribution.

                                    Here we can see the phrase "what is revealed to you from your Lord" in verse 1094 is related to the revelation of "sign/miracle"
                                    AND the sign or the miracle-19 in verse 7430 is fulfill the context of verse 1094
                                    Whereas other verses on your list do not speak about "sign/miracle" and should be classified as "not applicable"!

                                    Note
                                    4610 Say, "What if it is from God and you disbelieved in it? A witness from the Children of Israel has borne witness to a similar phenomenon,* and he has believed, while you have turned arrogant. Surely, God does not guide the wicked people."
                                    *This witness is Rabbi Judah the Pious (11th Century A.D.), who discovered the same 19-based phenomenon
                                    https//whoisourcreator.blogspot.com/2008/09/rabbi-judah-pious-witnesses.html

                                    Thanks.

                                    "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred"

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                                      No need to bring up this matter again
                                      Enough is enough!

                                      Once again, please consult your maths professor and show him the "Masjid Tucson's findings"
                                      AND then you will know whether the "Masjid Tucson's codes" are coincidentally happened or divinely designed!

                                      Also, if you think you are very right
                                      Please send your rebuttals (in your Reply #26) to Mr. Jay Smith and Mr. Al Fadi
                                      Stated that my message to them titled "Al Quran is the word of God" is null and void
                                      And ask them to abandon my previous message
                                      That's the best thing you should do, I suppose!

                                      Why bother replying to those who, like many on this site, can't comprehend even simple concepts? No need for math professors; this is simple stuff that even kids can do, and I've already shown you the template. This method works for any written material—phrases, text, verses—and it doesn’t matter if words are misspelled, letters are added or deleted, or even written backward.

                                      Again, what they're doing, without realizing it, is using nine parameters and choosing up to three to generate 1,170 numbers. This yields ~61 multiples, or 1/19, and then they print selective results to deceive while hiding the 18/19 that are not multiples.

                                      Note
                                      4610 Say, "What if it is from God and you disbelieved in it? A witness from the Children of Israel has borne witness to a similar phenomenon,* and he has believed, while you have turned arrogant. Surely, God does not guide the wicked people."
                                      *This witness is Rabbi Judah the Pious (11th Century A.D.), who discovered the same 19-based phenomenon

                                      Again, most of you can't read In Arabic, "مثله" means "similar to it"
                                      The Arabic word "وشهد" (wa-shahida) is actually in the past tense.
                                      see context 468-10 "Wa Shahida Shāhidun Min"
                                      see context 1226 "Wa Shahida Shāhidun Min"

                                      شَهِدَ (shahida) – He witnessed (past tense).

                                      يَشْهَدُ (yashhadu) – He witnesses or testifies (present tense).

                                      سَيَشْهَدُ (sayashhadu) – He will witness (future tense).
                                      That someone shall witness something in the future.

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                                        To bro Bajram,

                                        Just for my curiosity!
                                        Here i put forward the same question I asked bro JinnJinn on Reply #14
                                        Hope you don't mind answering it!

                                        There are five objectives of number 19 in verse 7431
                                        May I know which one do you belong to?

                                        7430 Over it is nineteen.
                                        7431 We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (nineteen)
                                        (a) to disturb the disbelievers,
                                        (b) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture),
                                        (c) to strengthen the faith of the faithful,
                                        (d) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and
                                        (e) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did God mean by this allegory?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.

                                        Thanks in advance.

                                        "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred"

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                                          There are five objectives of number 19 in verse 7431
                                          May I know which one do you belong to?

                                          7430 Over it is nineteen.
                                          7431 We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (nineteen)
                                          (a) to disturb the disbelievers,

                                          Salaam shukri,

                                          1. The translation you are using is horrid and misleading.

                                          2. Why did they use the incorrect translation "is"? It should be "are."
                                            In 7430, "over it (feminine) are a group of nineteen (masculine)," which you confirmed is the correct meaning of "their number" in 7431.

                                          3. Do you acknowledge that any written text—whether a verse, "Mary had a little lamb," etc.—using 9 parameters up to three levels deep, has 1,170 possible combinations and yields 1/19 or ~61 multiples, as previously explained?

                                          4. Do you acknowledge that the Arabic word in 4610, "وشهد" (wa-shahida), is in the past tense?

                                          5. Do you acknowledge that in 7430-31, fitnah (فتنة), meaning "test" or "trial" in this context, was applicable at the time of revelation? Who were the unbelievers then, and what were they doubting or questioning?

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