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    jkhan
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    Hi all.. hope, you all doing good as with what Allah caused.

    Since I was involved with Brother Amin regarding Sala definition, I thought of sharing these two verses, and hope I did not share them before.

    56 O you the ones who professed, when you undertook (KumTum; perfect verb) to the interaction (salah), then compress (fa’ghsiloo) your focus (wajh) and your influence (aydekum) to the soundness (Marafiq) and describe through your despairs (ru’usukum) and your difficulties (rajl) to the double knots (strength). But, if you were distracted (junb) then cleanse. But, if you were of dejection (mardha) or upon a recovery (safar) or anyone of you reached at from the depression/downwards or touched the oblivion/absent-mindedness, so not you will find embellishment/elaboration(maa), so endeavor (thayamam) proper ascension/progression, then set forth (masah) your focus (wajh) and your influence (aydekum) with it. Allah does not intend to make hardships for you, but He intends to cleanse you and accomplish His blessings upon you that you may shukr/put forth (exertion of actions).

    Note here Interaction (salah) is while the Dispatcher/Rasool is educating with the verses of Quran believers listening/questioning thus clarifying their doubts. But how to encounter the Interaction when you already undertook to participate in Sala/Interaction is clearly explained in verse 56 and unfortunately, not traditional Wudu. This verse is beyond clarity that when someone UNDERTOOK salah, then follow the steps so then one can come out with clarity during the Salah/Interaction session.

    443 “O you the ones who professed, occupy not the Interaction (al sala) while you are angry (sukara) eventually/until you realize what you assert while not distracted (junb) save scrutinizing (abiri) of tenets until you compress (gusl). But, if you were of dejection (mardha) or upon a recovery (safar) or anyone of you reached at from the depression/downwards or touched the oblivion/absent-mindedness, so not you will find embellishment/elaboration(maa), so endeavor (thayamam) proper ascension/progression, then set forth (masah) your attention/focus (wajh) and your pursuance/influence (aydekum). …”

    When you read these two verses with close scrutiny, one thing one will realize is the PURPOSE of SALA when the Rasool educates with Quran verses what one has to apply... Similarly, there is no Rasool now, and we can take from these verses when we self-study the Quran, etc to apply the above criteria..

    Allah is in no need to explain how to physically clean oneself. Allah has given us that basic inbuilt knowledge. Use your brain if someone wants to clean physically, that would work in their own way. Allah always targets SPIRITUAL cleanse as guidance.

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      Do you think Allah wants from us a ritual prayer? Well, decide with these verses..

      Very crucial verses if you happen to grasp them..

      hā jīm rā (ه ج ر) = migrate/evolve (spiritual/none physical evolution from one state to another). It has the meaning of physical migration as well but, the context of the verse is spiritual migration/evolution.

      4100 “Meanwhile, whoever evolves (hjr) into the tenet of Allah would find through the exposition (ard), plenty of pride (muraghaman) and vastness. While, whoever evolves from his awakening (bayt) of evolution (muhajira) to Allah and His Dispatcher/Rasool, subsequently, arrests/checks him the death, then certainly incumbent his reward upon Allah…”

      • here Ard is the exposition of Quran. i.e orienting with it.

      4101 When you exemplified through the exposition, so not upon you blame that you fall short from the butt through the interaction (salawat) that you hesitated that he may tempt you, the one who rejects. Indeed, the rejecting ones used to be manifest hostilities for you.

      *Here, If you exemplify through exposition, the blame for any misunderstanding lies not with you but with what others take from the interaction.

      4102 When you (singular) were among them (aforesaid muhajir/evolvers who attend interaction/salawat) and happened to uphold for them the Interaction (salawat), so let it be (fal’thaqum) a circulation/dissemination (thaif) among them alongside/accompanied you and let them seize their mutes/silence (aslihathahum). So, when they have acknowledged (sajad), let them be from behind you. And let there be another dissemination, missing to interact; so, let them interact accompanying you, and let them seize(yahuzu) their awarenesses (hizrahum) and their mutes (aslihathhum). The ones who rejected preferred that you be indifferent through your silence/mutes and your enjoyment(matha), so they deviate (fayamilu) upon you only deviation. But no blame to you if you were to be with the vulnerability of nervousness or you were downcast that you relieve your mutes but, seize your awareness…”

      *(wal yahuzu Hizrahum waAslihatahum) mean… Let them find their voice and speak up, breaking free from what holds them back from mutes.

      Finally ratification of the Interaction that you participated ..

      4103 When you have concluded the interaction (salawat) then consider Allah embracing, and undertaking, while at your discretion (wa’ala junubkum), but when you contented, (atmantum) then ratify (fa’aqeem) the interaction (salawat). Verily the interaction was placed upon the faithful ones as an appointed ordainment.

      As a faithful one of that era, it was his duty to attend all Interaction sessions without fail as much as possible, but when the Interaction is concluded it was his own duty to Consider Allah through embracing whatever educated in the interaction session and undertake it and at his own discretion and once contented just ratify/verify what he learned. and that's finalization.. For us we have to study the Quran and do the same process but self through Allah's guidance.

      simply, after an interaction ends, take time to reflect on it—embrace its lessons and take responsibility for it, but do so in a way that feels right to you. Once you feel content with the interaction, you can affirm its value and move forward.

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        Brother jkhan.

        I see where you are coming from . I have been there. It is called a journey towards your own awareness.

        Qoran strips you bare and you are trying to clothe yourself. There will be what fits and there will be many that will not fit .
        Do you think we do not get tried with guidance?
        There will come a time when you reach somewhere and do a 180 or even a 360 turn or stay on the same track or ...even wanting to give up will not be out of what is ahead in this journey.

        I take your advice that I may be misguided, that can be possible but what is more dangerous is to think guidance is not part of GOD s trial. The ego can easily turn it into misguidance and GOD will let the ego play its part .
        I am being honest ,reading your translation, I am none the wiser and most of it is not making sense to me at all. You are using too many general and vague words that are left to guess work and confusion and do not resemble the translated Arabic words of the original.
        Like you say, and I agree with you, it may not be beneficial to both of us to debate.

        But I am not going to prolong my involvement in your threads or be in your way. I respect your choices
        I wish you the best in your journey.
        Thank you.
        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

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          Brother jkhan.

          I see where you are coming from . I have been there. It is called a journey towards your own awareness.

          Qoran strips you bare and you are trying to clothe yourself. There will be what fits and there will be many that will not fit .
          Do you think we do not get tried with guidance?
          There will come a time when you reach somewhere and do a 180 or even a 360 turn or stay on the same track or ...even wanting to give up will not be out of what is ahead in this journey.

          I take your advice that I may be misguided, that can be possible but what is more dangerous is to think guidance is not part of GOD s trial. The ego can easily turn it into misguidance and GOD will let the ego play its part .
          I am being honest ,reading your translation, I am none the wiser and most of it is not making sense to me at all. You are using too many general and vague words that are left to guess work and confusion and do not resemble the translated Arabic words of the original.
          Like you say, and I agree with you, it may not be beneficial to both of us to debate.

          But I am not going to prolong my involvement in your threads or be in your way. I respect your choices
          I wish you the best in your journey.
          Thank you.
          GOD bless you.
          Peace.

          Hi,
          I told you clearly... I am not here to convince anyone.. make it or break it and i have no issues. I am not here to show my emotions. I have heralded the dispatch from the Quran for the reflection of people since it is in Arabic. You only participated in the conversation and you leave and i have problem with it. But I will keep heralding what Allah revealed to me from the Quran/ The Resolution for the thoughts of people perhaps they ponder..

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            Do you think Allah wants from us a ritual prayer? Well, decide with these verses..

            Very crucial verses if you happen to grasp them..

            hā jīm rā (ه ج ر) = migrate/evolve (spiritual/none physical evolution from one state to another). It has the meaning of physical migration as well but, the context of the verse is spiritual migration/evolution.

            4100 “Meanwhile, whoever evolves (hjr) into the tenet of Allah would find through the exposition (ard), plenty of pride (muraghaman) and vastness. While, whoever evolves from his awakening (bayt) of evolution (muhajira) to Allah and His Dispatcher/Rasool, subsequently, arrests/checks him the death, then certainly incumbent his reward upon Allah…”

            • here Ard is the exposition of Quran. i.e orienting with it.

            4101 When you exemplified through the exposition, so not upon you blame that you fall short from the butt through the interaction (salawat) that you hesitated that he may tempt you, the one who rejects. Indeed, the rejecting ones used to be manifest hostilities for you.

            *Here, If you exemplify through exposition, the blame for any misunderstanding lies not with you but with what others take from the interaction.

            4102 When you (singular) were among them (aforesaid muhajir/evolvers who attend interaction/salawat) and happened to uphold for them the Interaction (salawat), so let it be (fal’thaqum) a circulation/dissemination (thaif) among them alongside/accompanied you and let them seize their mutes/silence (aslihathahum). So, when they have acknowledged (sajad), let them be from behind you. And let there be another dissemination, missing to interact; so, let them interact accompanying you, and let them seize(yahuzu) their awarenesses (hizrahum) and their mutes (aslihathhum). The ones who rejected preferred that you be indifferent through your silence/mutes and your enjoyment(matha), so they deviate (fayamilu) upon you only deviation. But no blame to you if you were to be with the vulnerability of nervousness or you were downcast that you relieve your mutes but, seize your awareness…”

            *(wal yahuzu Hizrahum waAslihatahum) mean… Let them find their voice and speak up, breaking free from what holds them back from mutes.

            Finally ratification of the Interaction that you participated ..

            4103 When you have concluded the interaction (salawat) then consider Allah embracing, and undertaking, while at your discretion (wa’ala junubkum), but when you contented, (atmantum) then ratify (fa’aqeem) the interaction (salawat). Verily the interaction was placed upon the faithful ones as an appointed ordainment.

            As a faithful one of that era, it was his duty to attend all Interaction sessions without fail as much as possible, but when the Interaction is concluded it was his own duty to Consider Allah through embracing whatever educated in the interaction session and undertake it and at his own discretion and once contented just ratify/verify what he learned. and that's finalization.. For us we have to study the Quran and do the same process but self through Allah's guidance.

            simply, after an interaction ends, take time to reflect on it—embrace its lessons and take responsibility for it, but do so in a way that feels right to you. Once you feel content with the interaction, you can affirm its value and move forward.

            Allow me to add few more verses crucially concerned with SALAWAT/INTERACTIONs

            629 O you, the ones who professed, when there emerged (nudiaya) for you the interaction during a day of the assembly, then exert (fasaw) yourselves toward consideration of God and leave behind the exchanges(conversations). That is prosperity for you if you were to realize."

            6210 When the Interaction is concluded, then revive (fanthashir) through the exposition (ard) and deserve (wabthaghu) from the preference of Allah and consider Allah much perhaps you succeed.

            6211 When they noticed profit or distractions (joy), they dispersed (anfadhu) towards it while leaving you enduring. Say, that what is in the presence of Allah's prosperity is beyond the distraction (joy) and beyond the profit. Meanwhile, Allah is the prosperity of the Providers

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              2101 "And when came to them a Dispatcher/Rasool from the presence of Allah confirming to that which was with them, a group of those threw away who were rendered the ordainment (allazeen uthu Al Kithab), ordained (kuthiba) by Allah, out of their concern/care (min wara duhirihum) as if they do not realize."

              2102 While they abided by what was educated by (Al shayateen) the conspirators, who were under the control of Sulaiman. And Sulaiman did not take it for granted, nevertheless, the conspirators took it, revealing mankind/people the sorcery (shr) that originated/stemmed on dual possessions (malakain) through thresholds (babyl) of temptations and hollowness (harut marut) and not reveal anyone eventually they assert ‘verily that is of our trials, so do not take it for granted.’ So, they train (yathaallam) employing (both i.e. temptations and hollowness) of them, distinguishing by it between the soul (amra) and its inherent traits (aswaj). While they can’t afflict, with it anyone except with the leave (izn) of Allah. And they train what afflicts them while not remedying them. And absolutely, they realized that whoever exchanged it, had no moralities, for him throughout the progression (akhira). And surely, misery what they exchanged, into their selves, if they were to realize.

              Every word of Al Quran has roots and look for what Allah spoke with it.. It is needless to pinpoint who taught sorcery to the world by mentioning a couple of imaginary Angels’ names as they are depicted.

              2103 But if they had professed and became conscientious, surely, there be a haven (mathzuba) from the presence of Allah’s prosperity if they were to realize.

              2104 O you, the one who professed, do not say ‘you tend us’ (raina), instead say ‘you observe us and heed.’ And for the rejecting ones, there is a painful humiliation.

              2105 Not He prefers the one who rejected from the compliers (lives thru) of the ordainment (ahl al kitab) and not the Heretics (Mushrikeen), that to be originated/stemmed any prosperity from your Lord. While Allah particularizes into His mercy who he acts/causes..”

              2106 What We transcribe (nansakh), from an explication/sign (aya) or cause to feign, We bring by betterment than it or identical to it. Do you not realize that Allah is determining upon each act/cause?

              Note In verse 2106 It doesn't need to be talking about Quran or another God-revealed book. But it could be any sign of Allah that he shows on the Earth and Heavens.. Spiritual transcription refers to the process of conveying or manifesting truths, messages, or divine will in a non-physical, metaphysical, or symbolic way. Meanwhile, if we apply it to verses of Allah, many Rasool/Nabi were on this Earth heralding Allah’s messages and all were transcribed to their respective people, and with time they all mostly went missing or precisely caused by Allah to be feigned. Still, Allah always brought either similar or better explications to keep heralding His message for forthcoming generations.. it could be signs or communication i.e. Aya.. Some translations, hilariously take the word ‘ma’ as ‘NOT’.. that’s the worst I have seen with context.

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                5434 That, We sent upon them fireballs (hasiba), except the family of Lot; We delivered them of fireworks (Bi’shahr)

                All traditional translations translated the word ‘hasiba’ as the storm of pebbles not knowing what they talk about …came close, buth they didn’t know what was it.. There is no storm of the pebble in nature..

                Then what are these fireballs and fireworks? Is there a confirmation in Al Quran? Yes.. See below….

                1574 And We made its highest point into its lowest and, We streamed upon them sediments (hijr) from molten lumps.”

                Traditionally they say the People of Lot lived near Dead Sea/Lot’s lake.. Wherever he lived, Indeed this was the mountain highest in that region and it was a sleeping/inactive never known to them, but God turned it active all of a sudden at night making the volcano the lowest after its eruption .. all fireballs and fireworks over it streamed towards them as lava(as we call) literally sediments of the volcano but in molten lumps (they call in modern language magma).

                That’s what these verse speak of connecting the Luminary/Prophet Lot/Lut…

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                  Was Maryam provided with provision (food) from heaven? Let’s resolve the verse and reflect.

                  337 Then accepted her (Maryam’s mother), her Lord, with an unprejudiced (hasn) acceptance, and raised her an equitable (hasana) raising while Zakariya was held in her custody. Whenever/every time Zakariya conceded (dahala) the debate/dialogue (al mihrab) in favor of her, he found in her presence gratification (rizq). He said, ‘O Maryam, how come this for you’. She said it is from the presence of Allah. Verily, Allah gratifies he who acts/causes, without counting.

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                    Was Maryam provided with provision (food) from heaven? Let’s resolve the verse and reflect.

                    337 Then accepted her (Maryam’s mother), her Lord, with an unprejudiced (hasn) acceptance, and raised her an equitable (hasana) raising while Zakariya was held in her custody. Whenever/every time Zakariya conceded (dahala) the debate/dialogue (al mihrab) in favor of her, he found in her presence gratification (rizq). He said, ‘O Maryam, how come this for you’. She said it is from the presence of Allah. Verily, Allah gratifies he who acts/causes, without counting.

                    Let me combine Maryam's misconception of food from heaven with Isa and Musa stories where people were provided food according to available Quran translation.. reflect..

                    Hawwariyun of Isa did not ask for food spread on a table. Maida is different, read below. Also read about Al Manna and Al Salwa in the story of Musa

                    5111 And when I instilled (wahi) to the confidants (hawwariyun), that profess in Me and My messenger, they asserted ‘we professed and involve in that we are submitting.’

                    5112 When said the confidants (hawwariyun), ‘O Isa, son of Maryam, ‘Is it possible your Lord to bestow upon us an amazement/miracle (maida) from the Heaven?’, he(Isa) said ‘be conscientious of Allah/the Savior that you were to be faithful ones.’

                    5113 They (hawwariyun) said, “We intend that we internalize/absorb from it and calm our thoughts/hearts while we discern that, obviously, you confirmed it to us, and we are to be upon it among the involvers.”

                    5114 Said, Isa, son of Maryam, ‘addressing/conveying to Allah/the Savior (Allahhumma), our Lord, ‘stem/originate (anzal) upon us an amazement/miracle (Maida) from the Heaven to be for us as an affinity/affection of mind (Eidan) for our source (awwal) and our progression (akhir) and sign/lesson from You. Gratify us and you are the prosperity (khair) of the Gratifying.

                    Almanna and Al Salwa are not food from Heaven neither Maida

                    254 When said, Musa to his residents/citizens (Qawm), O my residents! That you strayed yourselves employing obsession of the hurriedness/impatience. So turn toward your obligations (bariyKum), then uproot yourselves (fa’qthulu). That is prosperity for you in the presence of your obligations. Then He turned upon you. That it is He, The Turner; the Generous.

                    Ajal = Hastiness/Hurriedness/Calf… it should be carefully taken with context what Allah has said

                    255 When you said, O Musa, ‘never we profess to you eventually, we see Allah/the Savior openly.’ So, obsessed them the insensibility while you wait.

                    256 Then we rejuvenated you after your insanity(mawthiKum) so that you may (shukr) put forth (i.e. exert actions).

                    257 And We shaded upon you the clouds and We stemmed/originated upon you solace (al Manna) and consolation (wa Salwa). ‘Internalize/absorb from the goodness that We have gratified you. …”

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                      2106 What We transcribe (nansakh), from an explication/sign (aya) or cause to feign, We bring by betterment than it or identical to it. Do you not realize that Allah is determining upon each act/cause?

                      Note In verse 2106 It doesn't need to be talking about Quran or another God-revealed book. But it could be any sign of Allah that he shows on the Earth and Heavens.. Spiritual transcription refers to the process of conveying or manifesting truths, messages, or divine will in a non-physical, metaphysical, or symbolic way. Meanwhile, if we apply it to verses of Allah, many Rasool/Nabi were on this Earth heralding Allah’s messages and all were transcribed to their respective people, and with time they all mostly went missing or precisely caused by Allah to be feigned. Still, Allah always brought either similar or better explications to keep heralding His message for forthcoming generations.. it could be signs or communication i.e. Aya.. Some translations, hilariously take the word ‘ma’ as ‘NOT’.. that’s the worst I have seen with context.

                      Hello people,,,

                      In my Discord conversation, a fellow faithful one asked me why 2106 is translated as "abrogate" and "forget," while I have translated it as "transcribe" and "feign." The answer is simple because the correct meanings, in this context, are truly "transcribe" and "feign."

                      The root nūn sīn khā (ن س خ) in the Quran does not mean "abrogation" but rather "transcribe." While this root can have the meaning of "abrogate" in other contexts, Allah has not used that meaning here. Instead, He has used it to mean "transcribe." This root appears four times in the Quran, and in all four instances, including 2252, it means "transcribe."

                      Why would Allah "abrogate" His aya (signs)? For example, how could Allah abrogate the signs shown through Isa (Jesus), Musa (Moses), or any other signs that Allah has transcribed for the guidance of people? These are all signs, and they will remain as proof forever because they were transcribed by Allah. Signs of Allah can be physically transcribed, abstract, or even metaphysical. Signs that have already been shown cannot be abrogated.

                      As for "forget," it is also a literal and unintentional act. However, Allah can intentionally make His signs be "feigned," meaning He can cause them to fade from the remembrance of people. Although signs are proofs of many things, over time, people may not always talk about certain signs.

                      Therefore, Allah rightly said that He will bring forth signs that are better or similar, but not the same carbon-copied signs repeated over and over, as this could make people bored.

                      Signs do not necessarily have to be grand or monumental. In anyone's life, Allah may frequently show signs to guide them—signs that He transcribes for them spiritually. And when needed, He can feign those signs over time, only to replace them with more prosperous or similar signs to continue guiding them.

                      Note When it comes to verses of Allah, He may (badal) / change or modify his verses(16101), not what is already revealed but compared with previous scriptures.. for example, Allah may have forbidden certain foods for children of Isreal, and Allah can modify/change those verses and its meaning by revealing what he wants as He did in Al Quran so what is in previous scriptures will be redundant compared to the verse of Quran.. Allah did not use even in 16101 as ABROGATE but rightly used BADAL i.e. modify/change.. the word ABROGATE either with SIGNS or VERSES never even befit as if Allah had made a mammoth mistake.. How can one even claim that ABROGATION is POSSIBLE with SIGNs but NOT with VERSES? That's super funny.. Unfortunately, I am left with only one option about such people
                      except that they do not know the difference between ABROGATION and MODIFICATION/CHANGE

                      ABROGATION of SIGNs is ridiculous and not even possible. reflect.. up to you..

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                        tā lām wāw (ت ل و) always translated as RECITE but it is not NOT. tā lām wāw (ت ل و) = EDUCATE..

                        2945 Educate (atlu) with what is instilled (uhiya) in you through the Ordainment and uphold interactions, verily, interactions desist from the immodesties and the trivialities. While surely, the consideration (zikr) of Allah is more strenuous/tough. And Allah reveals what you work.

                        2272 “And when Our expositions (aya) are educated (tutla) to them as manifestations, you recognize trivialities through focus/attention of the ones who rejected. ..”

                        2948 And you were not educating (thatlu) through any ordainment before it and not documenting it with your right hand, in that case, surely suspected as the state of speculating/conjecturing (mubtiloon).

                        in verse 2948 'BiYameenKa' could be even 'Rightful possession'.. up to you though..

                        What is this Al Quran or Quran?
                        I have explained to you above that the root is RESOLVE/FINALIZE, but what indeed Al Quran mean? We all know it is a wonderful teaching with all principles but what Al Quran means?

                        Al Quran = The RESOLUTION… let’s see..

                        1015 When Our manifestations (bainat) of explications (aya) are educated (thutla) to them, said the one, who does not make it feasible of meeting Us, ‘bring with a Resolution (quran) other than this or modify/change it’ ….”

                        That is the meaning of Resolution. They would not simply say, “Bring a Quran other than this or modify it.” Instead, they meant something deeper by saying “Bring,” and they did not like this Resolution. The concept of Resolution has profound significance, transcending many aspects of life. Indeed, Al-Quran is The Resolution for our entire existence.
                        Resolution is about achieving inner peace, clarity, and alignment with a higher purpose. It involves resolving conflicts, letting go of attachments, and embracing transformation. Whether through forgiveness, surrender, or self-realization, Resolution is a key step on the spiritual path, leading to harmony, healing, and union with the divine. And Al-Quran, as The Resolution, furnishes all these and far more.
                        Let’s below verses as well..

                        7517 Indeed upon Us its assembling and its resolution (quranHu)
                        7518 And when We have resolved/finalized (qarana), then abide by its resolution (quranHu)

                        Did you notice the difference in these verses? Well, only those who are honest and reflecting would grasp it..

                        5921 If We had originated/stemmed this, The Resolution (al quran) upon a scholar (jabal), you would have seen him apprehended, collapsing/scattering from apprehension of Allah…"”

                        Wow.. simply mind-popping.

                        Can you notice the difference here as well? Jabal in the verse is not Mountain but it is a specific word to mean a ‘learned man’ or precisely a ‘scholar’.. And this amazing root of Arabic paved inroads to this book.. A scholar is heavy like mountains of knowledge and if such a resolution happened to stem on such a one, he would definitely apprehend and shatter. well, it is happening now gradually.. keep waiting..
                        Root جبل - Entry جَبَلٌ―Signification A4
                        ‡ The lord, or chief, of a people, or company of men and their learned man.

                        let me add one more part of a verse..
                        2185 "Notoriety of ordeal, the one that stemmed/originated the Resolution (Al Qur’an), is a guidance for the people and manifestations of the guidance and the guideline principles..."

                        How perfect Allah is...

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                          Do you think Jabal is mountain in Al Quran always.. let’s see

                          Jabal = scholar, Jibal= scholars.. Thair = Disciples while jabal is mountain as well and Thair means birds too and I am not here to talk about it as you know already..

                          1331 And if there were to be a Resolution that could transition the Scholars (jibal) with it, or influence the expositions through it, or engage in conversation with the insane(mawta) by means of it, the ultimate command would still rest entirely with Allah .."

                          However, even if such a Resolution were to exist and have these powerful effects, the ultimate authority and control over all outcomes and decisions would still belong to Allah. This reflects a worldview where human efforts and solutions are seen as tools or means, but the final say and overarching power rests with the divine.

                          2260 And when Ibrahim said, ‘Show me, Lord, how you revive the insane (al mawta)’, He said, ‘haven’t you professed’? He said, yes, nevertheless, to content my thought. He said, then withhold, ruined (arbat) ones from the disciples (thair), then incline them to you, subsequently, assign at each scholar (Jabal) a section from them. Subsequently, invite them, and they will come to you as an outcome

                          there are many verses where Jabal or Jibal is involved that are indeed scholars.. while even word thair that are disciples..

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                            We know as of now what Al Quran is, yes it is The Resolution to be precise.. Now, let’s see what ‘SURA’ is and this word is generally translated as CHAPTER..

                            SURA sīn wāw rā (س و ر)= overpower with influence / overwhelm / divinity / transcendence / grace

                            3821 Has there come to you information of the litigants(khami) when they overpowered (thuswaru) the debate (al mihrab)?

                            223 If you were to be in doubt, upon what We originated at our dependent, then render with a divinity/transcendence (sura) from its similarity.

                            1113 Or do they say, he invented it, say, ‘then render divinities/transcendences (sur) in embodiment (BiAshar) similar to it.’

                            7142 And We covenanted Musa of thirty concerns (Laila), and We accomplished them in embodiment (BiAshar). Then, he accomplished his Lord’s evaluations; Concerns of Competency (arabain).

                            I just added the above verse since it has the word BiAshar..

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                              Let’s see the below verses… if you read carefully, it is clear that it is not a bird that was speaking to Sulaiman but a DISCIPLE (Thair).

                              2720 When he (Sulaiman) investigated (thafaqqad) the disciples (Al Thair), he said, ‘What! For me, I don’t see the mischief-maker (hudhud), or was he among the extreme (ghaibeen)?

                              2721 Surely, I will penalize/demean of an intense humiliation or else, surely confine to solitary/isolate (dhāl bā ḥā (ذ ب ح) unless he renders me a manifest justification(sultan).

                              The above root dhāl bā ḥā (ذ ب ح) / confine to solitary is what Ibrahim was about to do to his son before Allah interfered... Every verse in Quran connected with this root is most probably about ‘confine to solitary’ not slaughter… Even the verses of Pharo and Musa.. Pharo was not killing the sons of children of Israel but ‘confined to solitary’.. what about Allah’s command to children of Israel with a cow..

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                                Let’s see the below verses… if you read carefully, it is clear that it is not a bird that was speaking to Sulaiman but a DISCIPLE (Thair).

                                2720 When he (Sulaiman) investigated (thafaqqad) the disciples (Al Thair), he said, ‘What! For me, I don’t see the mischief-maker (hudhud), or was he among the extreme (ghaibeen)?

                                2721 Surely, I will penalize/demean of an intense humiliation or else, surely confine to solitary/isolate (dhāl bā ḥā (ذ ب ح) unless he renders me a manifest justification(sultan).

                                The above root dhāl bā ḥā (ذ ب ح) / confine to solitary is what Ibrahim was about to do to his son before Allah interfered... Every verse in Quran connected with this root is most probably about ‘confine to solitary’ not slaughter… Even the verses of Pharo and Musa.. Pharo was not killing the sons of children of Israel but ‘confined to solitary’.. what about Allah’s command to children of Israel with a cow..

                                Let’s see what Naml is in Al Quran/The Resolution

                                2717 And gathered to Sulaiman, his crews from the human self and jinn self and the disciples (thair), and they were marching/driving ahead.

                                2718 Eventually when they came upon a valley of the craftsmen (wadi al naml), a craftswoman said, ‘O the craftsmen, cease your movements lest it spoils yours while Sulaiman and his crews, they do not perceive.

                                Such a beautiful verse. She reminded everyone (craftsmen and craftswomen) to stop their work since lots of delicate movements are involved in their work. And Sulaiman’s crew is marching ahead with force and it can crumble their craftsmanship. So the only option is to come to motionlessness.
                                It is not a valley of ants..
                                This root of naml is amazing root.. it has the meaning of mend and it is connected with fingers as well.. namal cannot be artisan but rightly it is craftsman..

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                                  Have you ever thought about what "bakara" means in the verses where Musa (Moses) is concerned? I mean, why did Allah command the people of Musa to slaughter a cow? what is so special in slaughtering a cow? If it were a cow with such detailed characteristics—later specified one by one by Allah—then their questions would be justified, and they could not have slaughtered a cow of their own choice when Musa said simply 'Allah command you to slaughter a cow.' Isn’t that so? But the truth is, it is not a cow at all. "Bakara" in those verses refers to ‘contaminated water.’ They already knew they were using contaminated water, but Allah directly commanded them to contain/confine the ‘contaminated water.’ However, they refused and asked questions as if they were unaware of what they were doing—as if to say, “Which water do you mean, Musa?” These verses are from 267-71.. contaminated water can be called as yellow water as well.. There is a big reason why Allah commanded to children of Israel (preferred ones) to contain contaminated water from its usage completely not even to water plants.. if you read 267-71 with their precise meaning you will realize it is not COW as traditionally translated but it is something else, and that something else is ‘contaminated water’

                                  267 And when Musa said to his citizens ‘verily, Allah commands you that you contain/confine to solitary contaminated water (bakara).’ They said ‘Are you making fun of us.’ He said, ‘I recourse in Allah that I be among the ignoring.’

                                  268 They said, ‘Call for us to your Lord to manifest for us what it is.’ He said, ‘Verily He says that it is contaminated water, neither utilizable nor palatable, dragged between that.’ So, do what you were commanded.

                                  269 They said, ‘Call for us to your Lord to manifest for us what its color.’ He said that He says that it was yellowish contaminated water; Its state of filthy condition concealing the observers.

                                  270 They said, ‘Call for us to your Lord to manifest for us what it is. Indeed, the contaminated water seemed/looked alike to us, and we surely would have been guided, if Allah had acted/caused.

                                  271 He said that He says that it is contaminated water, neither soaking to plowing the land nor irrigating the sound field. No biodiversity/natural diversity (shiat) therein. They said, ‘Finally, you have come with the fact.’ Then they contained it/confined it to solitary while they were not willing to do.

                                  My Lord, you are amazing with your verses when you clarify them for us.

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                                    2011 So, as soon as he came to it, he was called, ‘O Musa.’

                                    2012 It’s Me, I am your Lord, so hold your straps that you are in the state of moderation of integrating the spiritualization/sanctification.

                                    2013 While I have prospered you, and heed what is instilled (yuha).

                                    Traditionally translated as ‘remove your sandals/shoes’. It precisely should be ‘hold your straps’.. It is not about any sanctity about the location but read the verse, and you will get it.. The conundrum with most is they take Al Quran’s most verses in physical aspects while Al Quran is concerned with spiritual aspects.

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                                      Wahi wāw ḥā yā (و ح ي)? What is it in the Quran’s true sense?
                                      Wahi = INSTILL and not reveal or inspire.. but INSTILL … let’s see.. I already brought to light the root of ILM and that has the meaning of Reveal..
                                      344 “That is from the information of the profundity that We instill to you..”

                                      The above verse is just an example from numerous verses, but let’s concentrate on the below verse in detail..

                                      4251 “And it was not for a mortal that Allah to communicate to him except instilling (wahi), or from beyond intervention, or dispatching a dispatcher(rasool), then instill (yuhi) what He causes by His leave….”

                                      The Dispatcher from Malak (controller) did not simply come, reveal, or dump and leave to the respective Nabis so that they dispatch/arsal whatever they understand without explaining what it is. Instead, these Malak dispatchers instilled what they brought from Allah to human dispatchers/rasools, but with the leave of Allah as He caused. That’s why human Dispatchers—be it Musa, Isa, Mohamed, Ibrahim, or anyone—had perfect knowledge of what to educate (yuthla) to people through what they were instilled with by the Malak dispatchers.
                                      Okay, what is instill? Let’s open the dictionary. The word "instill" means to gradually introduce or implant an idea, feeling, habit, or value in someone over time. It often implies a slow and deliberate process of influencing or teaching someone.
                                      However, the Malak Dispatcher may not instill everything but only what Allah causes (Yasha), leaving certain things for the future or others. In that case, those verses are just proper words, but their precise meanings are not known by human dispatchers unless they resolve (iqra) on their own. That’s why Allah used in the above verse (4251) ‘Ma Yasha Allah’, i.e., ‘what Allah causes.’ If the verse had ended without ‘Ma Yasha Allah’ and only said, ‘Then instill by His leave,’ it could have meant that all Human Dispatchers/Rasools were instilled with EVERYTHING from their respective instilling (wahi), leaving nothing. That did not happen; instead, it was only what Allah caused (note verse 37). No human dispatcher was instilled with such verses, but it was their effort to resolve such verses, albeit with the guidance of Allah. This Quran is a profound book, and human Dispatchers would not be able to deal with it within a short period of time and educate people unless they were instilled properly when it was revealed (ilm) to them. Without instilling, it would have become a serious issue for all human dispatchers..
                                      Second point What about others who were not educated by human dispatchers directly? For instance, people like us who research or study the Quran but were not directly educated (yuthla) by the Human Dispatcher of Allah? Yes, in that case, Allah instills directly. Remember well INSTILL, not anything else. I mean not the third option in the verse, i.e., MIN WARAI HIJAB / from beyond intervention. Not that. This second option may not involve direct instilling from Allah, but a Malak may be involved whenever one tries to resolve Quran verses. However, the person who receives the instilling is not aware that they are being instilled by Allah through a Malak. In the first option, the person who is instilled knows that the Malak dispatcher instilled them (human dispatchers/rasool). I hope my wording is clear.
                                      The third point is MIN WARAI HIJAB / from beyond intervention. With whom it happens is a mystery, and they and Allah alone know it. For example, Allah communicated to Musa and that has no intervention.
                                      You can apply these criteria to every Quran verse, be it Musa’s mother or bees etc.. They are all nothing but INSTILL but the way it is done is through one of the above methods. Even ‘from beyond intervention’ is INSTILL but, direct instilling..

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                                        Qasas qāf ṣād ṣād (ق ص ص) … what is it? It is not ‘relate, story, narrate, or legal retribution as they translated’

                                        qāf ṣād ṣād (ق ص ص) = retrospect / in retrospect/retrospection/Past. In addition, it can in certain contexts mean recollect/reminisce but retrospect is a strong meaning for qāf ṣād ṣād (ق ص ص)

                                        let’s see some verses..

                                        123 "We are in retrospect to you, with the unprejudiced retrospection, through what We instilled in you of this—The Resolution—while you were, before it, surely among the naïve/inexperienced."

                                        2825 “… So when he (Musa) came to him, he engaged with him in retrospect (qassa) on the past (qasas).…”

                                        2194-195 The violated action is through the violated action but for the violations retrospections (Qasaas). Then, whoever offended you, so offend with sameness what he offended on you. And be conscientious of Allah and realize that Allah accompanies the conscientious. And avail/contribute (nafaq) through tenets of Allah and do not hurl your influence into havoc/destruction. Be unprejudiced/equitable (ahsan), indeed Allah loves the equitable ones.

                                        Qasaas itself is not legal retribution in the above verse, but actions taken against the crime, after comprehensive Qasaas/retrospection, are legal retribution and legal retribution is not worded here in the verse.

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                                          531-18 "And the constellation when inclined; not strayed your mate/occupant and not he got illusioned. And not he vindicated from the inclination; that it is except, an instilling, instilled. He revealed it by the clutch of firmness; holder of encounter, so he regulated. It is the supreme/infinite point of perception (ufuk). subsequently, he approximated and coaxed (fatadalla); So became Mass Scales (qab qawsain) or more proximate. Then he instilled to His dependent (ibadi), what he instilled. Not did contradict the instinct (alfuwud) that it experienced/went through. So do you dispute him over what he went through? And he experienced it through a prolonged introduction (nazalat), quitting (inda) barriers (almuntaha) of the bewilderment (sidra); Quitting with it the obsession of shelter (al mawa), when covering the bewilderment that covers; Not baffled the insight and not trespassed. Absolutely, he experienced the most tough explications from his Lord."

                                          In the above verses ‘constellation’ is not stars but the constellation (interconnectedness) between the two i.e. Human Rasool and Malak Rasool (The two-persons dynamic) ... The constellation when inclined" could represent the moment when a higher authority (divine will, a guiding force, force of life) intervenes or aligns with the individual's path

                                          • Occupant/mate The one receiving the instilling
                                          • The One Who Taught (The Constellation) The guide, mentor, or divine source imparting the knowledge. Allah Addressed the Malak who instilled the receiver, as The Constellation (al Najm), the one that interconnects. Amazing..

                                          • Everything before "then he instilled to His dependent what he instilled" can be seen as a process of preparation
                                          o The occupant aligns with the higher order (constellation).
                                          o They remain steadfast and avoid deception.
                                          o They receive and internalize the truth through strength and resolve.
                                          o They reach a state of supreme perception (enlightenment or clarity).
                                          o They were almost like mass scale or even approximate and then only instilling took place

                                          The Turning Point Passing on the Knowledge
                                          • "Then he instilled to His dependent what he instilled" marks the culmination of this process.
                                          • The occupant, is now fully prepared and confident after shedding all the bewilderment and obsession of shelter he underwent etc.
                                          • But it was a tough learning curve for the mate/occupant.
                                          • And it seems like it was the first encounter of Nabi and Malak as the first ever revelation (ilm) took place and then instilled (wahi) the Nabi. There onwards it could have been regular visits of REVEAL(ilm) and INSTILL(wahi).

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