Should Albion Be BANNED??
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Peace ammarb87,
what if he registers with someother username and email address ???
Ban him again. If he registers under a different identity, he'll just pick up where he left off which will make it easy for us to find out who he is. When we see that it's him again, we just ask administration to ban him again.
Peace.
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Peace bro Damon,
I don't know exactly what intent he has, but i suppose one could always add a line telling others that this kind of thing (in the articles) is exactly what is against the God's system and post the relevant verses right back in response, no discussion, just the verses...i think that would make a very strong point to whoever might be reading it...we do need someone willing to do that everytime he posts one though which might be slightly problematic...but i think it's a viable solution rather than banning at this time...
Rgds,
Nadia -
Peace be with you sis Nadia,
i suppose one could always add a line telling others that this kind of thing (in the articles) is exactly what is against the God's system and post the relevant verses right back in response, no discussion, just the verses
Many of us here (myself included) have done this on numerous occasions. The problem is not simply that he won't debate and defend the nonsense that he cuts and pastes, but that he is spamming and trolling and nothing else!!
As far as I'm concerned, this is the same as stepping on someone's porch, starting a fire and then knock on the door and run away. He presents an image of what we represent here....we get tired of addressing him knowing that he will not respond....and those on the outside looking in won't have a clue about what's going on here. The lack of refutation (because we realize that it's fruitless) will leave outsiders thinking that maybe this is the general consesus here OR that the info he cuts and pastes is irrefutable. Either way, by albion cutting and pasting without dialogue and debate allows him to have his cake and eat it too. He's a troll and it is blatantly obvious that is his sole purpose of being here.
we do need someone willing to do that everytime he posts one though which might be slightly problematic
My point exactly!! Albion knows this and it falls all too well into his whole game plan. He must be banned!!
Peace.
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Peace bro Damon,
but that he is spamming and trolling and nothing else!!
I do agree that the lack of debate means he cannot defend his points of view if his intent is malicious...which is revealing in and of itself...
and those on the outside looking in won't have a clue about what's going on here.
Actually, some of my friends who don't participate on the board or read much of it, visit the news section occasionally...their points of view are that traditional islam is exposed by such news articles so in a way they reveal a lot of things wrong within the current system which begs the question in all of our minds, why is it happening and is it in sync with what the reading says...these articles are around in the news everywhere and for them to be posted and discussed among ourselves is a good thing, even if the original poster does not participate, for the casual viewer...just by stopping it happening is not viable that way...though i do agree that albion just wants to get any kind of attention but we can turn this to our advantage here...
My point exactly!! Albion knows this and it falls all too well into his whole game plan. He must be banned!!
I think we might be giving him too much credit...he just wants negative attention or any attention for that matter...by thinking of them as random postings that we should talk about (those that want to discuss) we cut him out of the picture and get our point across...two birdies with one stonie...
Or just ban him i guess, either way works lolregards,
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Peace,
banning is an important word in the context of discussions forums.From the experience I have in a forum to learn English, trolls are put under permanent moderation their posts have to be revised by a mod before they appear in the open forum. When some posts have to be deleted, a reminder about the rules is sent to him/her.
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I support you. albion will have to be banned for trolling.
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Salam,
Albion,
We cannot oblige you to hear, learn and think by yourself. If you seek to deceive the God and us, you only deceive yourself.
If you want to extinguish God?s light with your cutting - and - pasting articles, the God refuses such and lets His light continue D
Don't mix up the genuine islam and man made religions.
Victims of illetrism
Peace be upon those who follow the guidance
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Peace everybody,
Something Is Very Wrong Here!!
I've seen the votes in favor of albion to not be banned jump from 1 to 7 very rapidly!! However, the only two people who have commented slightly in favor of albion are Nadia and Elena. Everyone else made a comment as to why they are in favor of banning him. Where are these other voters who seem to be in favor of albion??? Please post a response and let it be known that you vote no and why.....that is IF these votes are all made by different people.
My question to the moderators (Wakas, Marie, Zenje) is there a way to detect if people here are casting more than one vote? Just curious....
Peace.
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Peace to Seekers of Peace,
It is intentional,sneaky and cowardly to only cut and paste. Your intentions are made quite clear. If you have a stance that you wish to take, make it and be prepared to give a dissertation on you theories or understanding of truth. That is your duty as a believer in what ever. For each of us we are to consider all avenues of knowledge and proofs and decide from what has been presented (as truths or facts). To only set off fires and walk away is a true cowards move. Take credit and explain your motives and be truthful, not a coward! Albion, be productive and not a cancer to this forum. If you have nothing of truth and value to say the it is best to stay silent or get in where you fit in. If not.... I VOTE HE MUST GO!!!!
Peace,
EYE C-U
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Peace bro Damon,
It seems strange indeed...to clear the confusion, i have NOT voted at all since i have a somewhat neutral stance on this at present, i rather agree with bro Wakas that one thread should be IT for his articles, which is a very good solution...
Btw, i have noticed some new users who have registered, a lot in the span of one day... )
Regds,
Nadia -
Peace all,
Look at these two statements guys.
I asked if it is possible for people here to cast more than one vote. And in response to that.....
It is possible only for those who have several user names.
, i have noticed some new users who have registered, a lot in the span of ONE DAY...
I know Nadia and I aren't the only two who have noticed this. We all know who's doing this is. This is a blatant disregard for one of the Forum's Rules....not to register under different names.
There have never been so many new registered users in the span of one day in the history o this forum's existence......never!! Believe me, I keep tabs on that. All of a sudden, we get hundreds of new registries out of nowhere. And it so happens to coincide when the birth of this poll and also happens to coincide with all of these anonymous votes in favor of albion. And yet, we see no comments or posts by these so-called voters!!!
I say this is the last straw and albion has pulled one dishonest tactic too many. He must be banned!!
Over to you Layth!!
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Peace all,
I just went through the memberlist and I checked by joined date and organized it in descending order.
SIX NEW members registered in one day!! And none of them made any posts.
Before today, the most new registered members in one day was four and almost all of them made some sort of post upon their new registry (to add input to a discussion, ask a question or introduce themselves). Yet we have nothing from these new members. I'll bet we have their votes though. x
Initially, there were only 2 votes in favor of albion. I assumed those two votes came from albion and applepie. Then the votes miraculously jumped from 2 to 8 all in one day. There are 6 new members who have all registered in one day. 2 + 6 = 8.....
Hhhmmmm.......
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Peace,
Damon, one of the trolls aims is to provoke heated replies and make people to waste their time, something s/he is achieving here.I voted no, I find permanent moderation a fairer option because after all, he is dennouncing crimes, just a type of crimes, ok, s/he should dennounce every type, but aren't those type of crimes actually happening? We all should dennounce them, it would be better in amnesty international for instance.
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Peace,
Damon, one of the trolls aims is to provoke heated replies and make people to waste their time, something s/he is achieving here.I voted no, I find permanent moderation a fairer option because after all, he is dennouncing crimes, just a type of crimes, ok, s/he should dennounce every type, but aren't those type of crimes actually happening? We all should dennounce them, it would be better in amnesty international for instance.
Hi Elena,
The problem with Albion's post is their wrong titles
Victims of Islam
Peaceful Islam keeps the peace
Heroes Of IslamIndeed these victims undergo only the consequences of their ignorance. Attributing their actions to Islam is a great offence towards the God and the believers.
Those who labelled them as victim's of Islam are as ignorant as them.
There is a big difference between dennouncing crimes under Islam or under man made religions, I hope you see my point.
Repeating what is published in the media whithout criticism has no interest.
If Albion seeks the truth about the genuine islam, I think we can have a fruitfull debate.Unfortunately, the intelligence of the heart is not given to everyone.
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Salaams Marie,
you said
"The problem with Albion's post is their wrong titles
Victims of Islam
Peaceful Islam keeps the peace
Heroes Of IslamIndeed these victims undergo only the consequences of their ignorance. Attributing their actions to Islam is a great offence towards the God and the believers.
Those who labelled them as victim's of Islam are as ignorant as them."
He has said they where crimes by those who label themselves - as either muslims or under the Banner of Islam,But he hasn't said they have been done by those comitted to God or anything.
And the only Islam in the world is the traditional style as they are in their billions whilst you here are only in hundreds.
And if you are saying those called Muslims or those hiding under the Banner of Islam are those comitted to God , then i suggest we shut this site ,please.
God Bless.
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Salam MZ,
And the only Islam in the world is the traditional style as they are in their billions whilst you here are only in hundreds.
The majority doesn't matter, Only the truth prevails and there is only one genuine islam whatever the number of those who follow it.
Man made religion is not the God's system, then let us call a cat by a cat.
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Peace all,
Peace,
Damon, one of the trolls aims is to provoke heated replies and make people to waste their time, something s/he is achieving here.I voted no, I find permanent moderation a fairer option because after all, he is dennouncing crimes, just a type of crimes, ok, s/he should dennounce every type, but aren't those type of crimes actually happening? We all should dennounce them, it would be better in amnesty international for instance.
I think you're missing my point.
My issue with albion is not his stance or that he chooses to cut and paste senseless anti-islamic articles. My issue is his Goal for doing such thing. I can tell that he is deliberately flooding the forum knowing that eventually we will get tired of replying to him because he simply will not debate and discuss. Therefore, we leave him to his own vices, he continues to cut and paste w/no more rebuttals from us, and unsuspecting visitors will not know that he is just a troll that we decided to ignore. They may believe that these web-pastes are the generally held consesus of the members here OR they may think that the info in the webpastes is irrefutable. Either Way, they are left with the impression that this Anti-Islamic stance of his is the Dominant and/or Prevailing stance here. And this is a misrepresentation of the members here and of this forum.
Most importantly, it's the principle that he is the only person here who refuses to debate and defend his position while he gets to cut and paste and then run off somewhere. It's fruitless to allow this to go on. The fact that he has somehow orchestrated 6 new memberships in one day to cast votes in his favor is a dishonest act that should not be tolerated here.
Plain and simple....he is a cancer that must be extracted from the rest of the body, so that the rest of the body can continue to function as it was meant to.
Peace.
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Salaamun Alaikum,
Dear brothers and sisters in Islam,My personal view is not to ban him at this time.
I am not aware wether he has been warned for the same or not. If not, then we should give him a chance instead of kicking him out.
Why I said so is We are on a discussion board of Free Minds where every one got the rights to set himself / herself free. If I am right here, then he and everybody else should get a chance to say or cut and paste anything what he wants.
Remember Allah is the only ONE who can guide. But what ever we try is our duty.
What I suggest is, instead of banning him right away give him a chance, tell about what others think about him because of his deeds. There are lot of possibilities for a person to act in such a way as Albion. We dont know the exact reason. So, we can give him a chance explaning him everything then we (moderators) should give him a final chance by deleting his useless posts. Then we got a right to ban him with reasoning.
This is just my personal suggestion. If any of you think that I am wrong, please ignore my messege.
For Albion
Dear brother,
If you are reading all these messeges and don't know what to do, I suggest you to express your way or feelings.
Remember, if you believe in the Creator of Muslims, or the Creator of Christains, or the Creator of Jews, or any one's Creator. He is the only ONE. He knows everything about everybody. He is the knower of everything we do. So, my sincere suggestion for you is to think about it. Try to correct yourself where ever you find yourself wrong. If our Creator find anything good in you or me. He will surely guide us to the correct path.
"And do not be like those who have said 'We hear,' but they do not hear." 821
"The worst creatures with Allah are the deaf and dumb who do not understand." 822
"And if Allah had found any good in them, then He would have made them listen. But if He makes them listen, they would still turn away, averse." 823
If you are not a Muslim then also your religion will not teach you anything bad. If we do anything good, then we will be rewarded for the same. If you eat food, you will get the nutritions that you require, even if you want those nutritions to give it to others. This is the system, where we are bounded. So, what ever you do good or bad is only for you.
If you don't agree with what I said, then
"My Lord has guided me to a Straight Path. An upright system, the creed of Ibraheem the monotheist; he was not from those who set up partners." 6161
"My contact-method (salaat), and my offerings, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah the Lord of the worlds." 6162
"He has no partner, and it is to this that I was commanded, and I am the first of those who have surrendered." 6163
"Shall I seek other than Allah as a Lord when He is the Lord of everything?" And every soul earns what is for it, and none will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return and He will inform you of what you disputed in." 6164
"And He is the One who made you inheritors on Earth, and He raised some of you over others in grades, to test you with what He had given you. Your Lord is quick to punishment, and He is Forgiving, Merciful." 6165
May Allah guide us all towards the correct path.
Regards,
MMKhan
