=[ Difference between Al-Kitaab and Al-Quraan ]=
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Peace be upon you Marie,
I have some questions
Where you read that alkhalq/the creation = alkitab or = universal laws in the Reading?
I do not read that literally, it is what is implied. The God says "Be" and it becomes. Everything is connected and from the very same SOURCE. The "creation" is nothing but an illusion, there is really nothing but the ONE. Just like the human body is composed of many cells who have thier own exsistence, thier own lives. Each cell needs to get norishment, reproduce, excrete waste, etc, yet they all work as ONE for the human.
The God says that the universe will be rolled up like a book, giviing us the implication more directly.
Does all what is decreed/prescribed/kutiba are universal laws?
Here some examples for kutiba
2178, 2180, 2183, 2216.Yes, that which is "written upon us" (kutiba) is universal law, but this reading does not contain all of the universal laws, it guides us to observe the creation to extract the laws ourselves and write them down so others will not have to go through the entire scientific process. It is the universe that is fully detailed and ordered by LAW so that we can use science/math to understand it.
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Peace be upon you all,
Musa was given Al Kitaab, was he given the 114 chapters?
2113 says that both the jews and christians study "Al Kitaab", does it mean they study the 114 chapters?
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PEACE, IDOL,
PRIEST Guidance/Al-Quran the instructions on how to live a righteous life in this world (especially, not to do shirk) , so that, one may successfuly pass the test of conduct , so that, one may avoid the destiny of Hell and gain the destiny of Paradise .
1015 And when Our clear Ayats are recited to them, those who hope not for Our meeting say Bring a Quran other than this or change it. Say It does not beseem me that I should change it of myself; I follow naught but what is revealed to me; surely I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the punishment of a mighty day.
Relative to the above definition and ayat
- What hasn't Al-Kitab Al-Quran, not fully detailed?
Thats a very open question, my response will be "How do I arrange a wedding", please show the answer. What I think you mean to do is ground your question with "fully detailed as a guide to the state of PEACE". There is a reason why the God did not say the "quran" is fully detailed but said Al Kitaab was fully detailed. You told me last post that you knew the God chose the words perfectly, so you should be able to catch this.
Guidance/Al-Quran the instructions on how to live a righteous life in this world (especially, not to do shirk) , so that, one may successfuly pass the test of conduct , so that, one may avoid the destiny of Hell and gain the destiny of Paradise .
Come on, Idol, now you are rationalizing. How to "arrange" a wedding has nothing to do with the above definition of guidance, however, being married does. The detailed guidance is...get married before having sexual relations or , agreed?
The word "reveal" implies the uncovering of something, which is exactly what I am saying...Lastly, the messengers bring the same message, so this message has always been here, it just gets covered up at times, so it must be revealed.
I'm not discussing what reveal "implies", but what it is and what is its purpose. There were a finite number of words which Allah imparted to the Messenger, and those words begin, essentially, with 11 and and extend to 1146, in the form of a book/kitab. For example, what does the following have to do with the universe
2221 And do not marry the idolatresses until they believe, and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress woman, even though she should please you; and do not give (believing women) in marriage to idolaters until they believe, and certainly a believing servant is better than an idolater, even though he should please you; these invite to the FIRE, and Allah invites to the GARDEN and to forgiveness by His will, and makes clear His Ayats to men, that they may be mindful.
This ayat, has nothing at all to do with the universe, but everything to do with man's destiny...FIRE or GARDEN, and why the guidance is about getting married...not wedding arrangements.
- The Ayats being recited are those from 11 to 1146, or do you disagree?
Depends on if you are talking about the current or the past. We are told to trust in that which was sent to us and that which was sent to those before us. This speaks of the TRUTH, not only the 114 chapters. I am sure that statement was said by those before this reading as well, so we cannot say that it was the 114 chapters. They were hearing TRUTH, they were hearing the STEEP PATH of freeing the slave, etc. They were hearing that cigarrette smoking is bad for your health so stop, but they ask for you to say something else, anything else so that they can feel good about thier transgressions.
What came before the 114 Suras, as well as, the 114 Suras, was/is GUIDANCE . The finite number of Ayats of which the 114 Suras are comprised of, are the GUIDANCE, hence, as an aggregate, they constitute an fully detailed and error free book/kitab--Al-Quran--The Guidance, agreed?
There is no way I can verify if this is the EXACT NUMBER of words that is suppossed to be in this reading, not even with any "19' counting. Would I be any more or less guided with an extra "There is no god but The God" stuck in this reading? But I do know that even a single tree would not be worn out in writing 114 chapters.
Allah, condemns vanity , correct? Well, how, then, could He have put to many..."There is no god but The God", statements? By saying you would be no less guided if there were on less, implies that what He did by repeating His statement is excessive. Let me ask you this, given that, as a completed body of work, that is, 114 Suras, and being from Allah Himself, isn't it likely that the exact number words are contained therein? Could Allah have lapsed and forgotten...even one alphabetical character?
Looking forward to your reply.
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Salaamun Alaikum,
Dear brothers and sisters in Islam,Peace be upon you all,
Peace to you to brother Kyle,
Musa was given Al Kitaab, was he given the 114 chapters?
2113 says that both the jews and christians study "Al Kitaab", does it mean they study the 114 chapters?
Thanks for pointing it out...
That makes it more clear that they read Al-Kitaab not Al-Quraan. Al-Quraan got 114 chapters not Al-Kitaab.
Regards,
MMKhan
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I wish you peace and salvation
I notice here are details being discussed?maybe this questions might throw some light?.
I would appreciate if some could find detaily determined amount of blood-money mentioned in 492(in the case when a believer unintentionally killes the other believer)?.
I read this script more than 10 years now and i find no answer to this question?. ?Is this script incomplete or its application culturally conditioned or this ordinance is incorrectly translated or somehow misunderstood?
Also i would appreciate the details of women
s body that are to be covered? And mans also?.(if there?s any)..I guess there might be that these details are somewhere detailed but incorrect translations may have covered it?
Best wishes
Zlatan
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peace brother Zlatan,
I would appreciate if some could find detaily determined amount of blood-money mentioned in 492(in the case when a believer unintentionally killes the other believer)?.
Why do you think a specific sum of money/compensation must be listed? I personally would find it odd if that were the case. In fact, to list a specific amount would be illogical. Can you give us an example of a specific amount that you'd expect to find?
Also i would appreciate the details of women
s body that are to be covered? And mans also?.(if there?s any)..I assume you have gone through the relevant signs, thus are you saying you cannot find an answer to the above in them signs?
Wakas
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Peace Wakas...
peace brother Zlatan,
I would appreciate if some could find detaily determined amount of blood-money mentioned in 492(in the case when a believer unintentionally killes the other believer)?.
Why do you think a specific sum of money/compensation must be listed? I personally would find it odd if that were the case. In fact, to list a specific amount would be illogical. Can you give us an example of a specific amount that you'd expect to find?
why not a number of cattle/animals or similar?
Imagine you have killed me today unintentionaly...how much you need to pay( and to whome?) to get away with it...
3 UK pounds... 30 UK pounds....300... 3000 ...30000?
are you allowed to give say 50 cents ? if not then why and where is the border that is acceptable?
if you say it is depending of situation culture or anything else of similar fashion i am 'afraid' that would open a can of worms for abundant redefining of many other issues...and their detaileness
Also i would appreciate the details of women
s body that are to be covered? And mans also?.(if there?s any)..I assume you have gone through the relevant signs, thus are you saying you cannot find an answer to the above in them signs?
Wakas
let make it more simple...if you going naked to your job are you making a sin? is it forbiden to go naked around? if answer is yes, then why?
best wishes, Zlatan
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peace Zlatan,
why not a number of cattle/animals or similar?
Imagine you have killed me today unintentionaly...how much you need to pay( and to whome?) to get away with it...
3 UK pounds... 30 UK pounds....300... 3000 ...30000?
are you allowed to give say 50 cents ? if not then why and where is the border that is acceptable?
or provision/supply for a certain period of time ..say 6 months, year, two etc....(we have similar examples/cases in other issues)
To give a specific value in a specific currency is impractical. For example, you stated Pounds Sterling, well, if we accept the Euro, the pound would be non-existent. Not only that, due to inflation, ?10 50 years ago was worth more than ?10 today.
One may not have cattle to give.
To whom the signs say the family.
I have not studied the signs, thus I cannot say who makes the decision on how much, but if it is the individual, they could give 50 cents, but like many things 'al quran' allows a degree of flexibility to provide a distinguishing mechanism, one who is naturally/sincerely just will give a just amount, one must have a choice, if there was no choice, then there is no point in the test. No injustice will be done as one cannot escape the scales on The Day.
One should give a just amount, and a just amount would depend on the individual and their dependents or their contribution to causes/betterment etc. To me, this is perfectly reasonable, and perfectly logical.Also, provision for a set number of years may not work because they may have a young child who would need support till they were able to provide for themselves. This could range from 1-20 years. Thus, it would depend on situation.
To answer your question, if I were to kill you accidentally, I would ask forgiveness from your dependents/family and The God. And whatever compensation your dependents/family agreed to be paid, I would pay it. IF I felt it was unreasonable I would refer it to the authority. If the dependents were not in a position to make a decision on compensation, then it would be referred to the authority. This is what seems to be implied, because it says if the family remit it, thus they are in the decision making position, and are likely to value the compensation, but I have not studied all the signs on this subject.
What problem do you have with that?
let make it more simple...if you going naked to your job are you making a sin? is it forbiden to go naked around? if answer is yes, then why?
According to the dress code guidelines in 'al quran', it would be unacceptable to go to work naked, if work involved exposure to the public.
Wakas
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Peace be upon you,
(1037) And this, the Reading is not that it be fabricated from (by) other than The God, and but confirmation (of) what (is) between his hands, and detailing/explaining The Book(Universal Law) , no doubt/suspicion in it, (it is) from the Lord of the Knowledgable.
Also again, did Musa get the 114 chapter Koran? And do the jews and christians study the 114 chapter Koran?
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Peace be upon you,
If "quran" and "Al Kitaab" are the same, explain the following verse.
(1094) So if you are in doubt/suspicion from what We descended to you, so ask/question those who read The Book from before you, the truth had come to you from your Lord, so do not be from the doubting/arguing.
We understand that the original reciever of this message is being addressed, so who was it, before him, that could have been reading THIS reading(quran)?
Instead, those of ALL TIMES have been contemplating the universe and it laws. The truth is always right in front of us. We can TEST any theory and the God's Universal Law will reject all falsehood.
(2256)...the right way is now distinct from the wrong way...
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salam idol,
279 Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.
explain that. no one here said kitab=quran... rather they say kitab CAN mean quran depending on the context, and sometimes it means a book in general or another particular book.
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Peace be upon you Shuiab
279 Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.
explain that
The verse says that Woe/Regret is upon those who try to write The Universal Laws(Al Kitaab) down into a book and claim some type of holiness for that writing saying it is from the God. The God did not write any books, all Creation is The God's Book.
no one here said kitab=quran... rather they say kitab CAN mean quran depending on the context, and sometimes it means a book in general or another particular book.
Where is the verse where Kitaab means a Physical Book called "Quran"?
Yes, Kitaab does mean book, but when the God refers to "Al" Kitaab, it is impliying the God's Universal Laws.
Those who study the Universe as it should be studied (menatl and spiritual included), they write books to help others find the path. The God has written no books, the God inspires his servants to the Truth.
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PEACE, IDOL,
Peace be upon you, If "quran" and "Al Kitaab" are the same, explain the following verse.
(1094) So if you are in doubt/suspicion from what We descended to you, so ask/question those who read The Book from before you, the truth had come to you from your Lord, so do not be from the doubting/arguing.
We understand that the original reciever of this message is being addressed, so who was it, before him, that could have been reading THIS reading(quran)? Instead, those of ALL TIMES have been contemplating the universe and it laws. The truth is always right in front of us. We can TEST any theory and the God's Universal Law will reject all falsehood.
(2256)...the right way is now distinct from the wrong way...
While I do see your point, I am not yet completely convinced of your understanding. Please consider the following
22 This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah.
1037 And this Quran is not such as could be forged by those besides Allah, but it is a verification of that which is before it and a clear explanation of the book, there is no doubt in it, from the Lord of the worlds.
2185 The month of Ramazan is that in which the Quran was revealed, a guidance to men and clear proofs of the guidance and the criterion...
2223 And if you are in doubt as to that which We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a Sura like it and call on your witnesses besides Allah if you are truthful.
In ayat 22, what is meant by "this" Book? Allah, says of "this" Book that, there is no doubt in it. Ayats 2223 and 1037 also refer to Al-Quran as having no doubt in it. Thus far, the "Book", in 22, appears to be referring to Al-Quran. Ayat 22 says... guidance sure and ayat 2185 says Al-Quran is guidance and clear proof of guidance, thus, once again, the Book in ayat 22, appears to be referring to Al-Quran.
- Is Al-Quran, included in the Book?
Yes, Kitaab does mean book, but when the God refers to "Al" Kitaab, it is impliying the God's Universal Laws
- Is it implying, or is it a Quranic fact? To imply, is to conjecture.
Peace.
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Peace Wakas!
Thank you for the comments, God bless you, after reading your anwers last night my confusion was seemingly a bit smaller?though i havent studied it thoroughly yet?and on the horizon there is seemingly more confusion?.please have patients with my comments i am a bit slow/poor communicator?.
a question more
According to the dress code guidelines in 'al quran', it would be unacceptable to go to work naked, if work involved exposure to the public.
According to that code what is the allowed minimum ?
Best wishes, Zlatan
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Salaams Shuaib, kyle, All
salam idol,
"... who try to write The Universal Laws(Al Kitaab) down into a book "
According to your interpretation, there is a word in that verse that means book. What is it?
In the Ayah , also whenever there is Anzalna with the word "Al Kitaab", I believe "Al Kitaab" would mean Al Wa7y (Al Wahy)= the Revelation of God's Words and Laws.
So in
AlLatheen Yaktuboon Al Kitaab Be Aydeehim Thumma Yaqooloona Hatha min 3inde Ellah...I see "Al Kitaab" in as not the Revelation of God's Laws BUT what appears to people as such. Some wicked people would fabricate laws and stories and present them as if they were revealed to them when such thing never ever happened.
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Salaam brother PB,
22 This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah.
In ayat 22, what is meant by "this" Book? Allah, says of "this" Book that, there is no doubt in it.
Here in 22 zthalika does not mean "This" but it means "That"
A.L.M, that is the Scripture in which there is no doubt, a guide for the righteous. 22
"That" refers to the Scripture or Al-Kitaab because it is far from a normal human being until he becomes muttaqee. (please correct me if I am wrong here).
Far in the sense not visible to them until they becomes muttaqee and get the guidance from it (Al-Kitaab) as shown in 22
And We have cited in this Quran so they may remember, but it only increases their aversion! 1741
"Haztha" means "This" which always in relation with Al-Quraan only. No where it is refering to Al-Kitaab.
Regards,
MMKhan
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peace Zlatan,
According to that code what is the allowed minimum ?
Its different for men & women. From my study, the minimum for men would be to cover the genitals + modesty. For women it would be to cover the genitals + bosom + modesty.
Lastly, confusion is no bad thing, it forces us to re-think / question, which can be a good thing.
Wakas
