Plastic surgery ... allowed or prohibiteD ?
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Hello Lote,
I meant with my own DNA but "altered" and so that it becomes a beautiful body with a face with chisled features with added biceps, triceps and 6 pacs that women like a lot -) (may be my brain could be transferred to that body or may be my consciouness can be downloaded to the new body in the future, yeah? -)
Regards,
"...that women like a lot"!? You've been had!
I was watching the movie "Frida" the other day. She married Diego Rivera who happened to lack all the features you mentioned above. Her parents thought the couple was like an elephant marrying a dove!!!
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Salaamun alaikum Wakas, all,
*there is a sign stating one should not change The God's creation but I personally do not interpret this sign in this way, others might.
4119 "And I will misguide them and make them desire, and I will command them, so that they will mark the ears of the livestock, and I will command them so they will make change to God's creation." Whoever takes the devil as a supporter other than God, then he has indeed lost a great loss.
4120 He promises them and makes them desire, but what the devil promises them is only vanity.The above signs clearly state that devil will command us to make changes to The God's creation and that whoever takes the devil as supporter other than The God is in a great loss.
Brother Wakas, can you please explain how do you interpret this sign other than not to make any anatomical or genetic change in one's body, which is akin to plastic surgery or genetic recombination?
Regards,
Tanveer
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Hello TAJ,
"...that women like a lot"!? You've been had!
I wish I was had!!
Just kidding -)
just a little unclean humour on my part -)But don't worry for a shapless-of-blob like me there is little chance of being had in any form or other -)
Men and Women in my office are obssessed with body beautiful! They spend their lunch and evening going to the gym. Men call it "Beefcaking" !
and women call it, "bum trimming" or something like that. I tried the gym once. Almost passed out on the exercise machine!! -)
But here the Gym is a big business!I was watching the movie "Frida" the other day. She married Diego Rivera who happened to lack all the features you mentioned above. Her parents thought the couple was like an elephant marrying a dove!!!
Hey I have not heard of Frida or Diego Rivera. Who are these people?
And I see you changed your icon again. Can see the camels face clearly now. But what happened to the puppy?
Regards,
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The above signs clearly state that devil will command us to make changes to The God's creation and that whoever takes the devil as supporter other than The God is in a great loss.
TanveerOh Tanveer, you are a spoil sport!
Millions of people are not happy with the way they look!
It seems it is such a human thing not to be satisfied in how you look.What is wrong with straigtening a bent nose for instance which gives that individual a sense of confidence in themselves?
For me no amount of plastic surgery can help! But if I had only a crooked nose perhaps, yes I might consider it or perhaps not -)
Regards,
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peace tanveer,
Assuming the translation is correct, I feel its referring to the balance within the creation. From what I've studied from 'the reading' of those who corrupt (i.e. disorder) the earth/order/justice etc. they go against the balance / transgress the boundaries/limits. It simply cannot be a blanket statement meaning no change to any part of The God's creation.
Once we understand what attributes The God has instilled within the creation, then we can see what it means to change such a creation.
Wakas
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Peace all,
IMO we should not make any change to The God's creation if it is only for cosmetic reasons, i.e. to improve some external feature to make it look "better" or "more beautiful" without the presence of any gross deformity, because then we will be following our ego and/or the devil. One should be content with one's body and external appearances as the definition of external beauty or good looks is very subjective and different for different cultures and can vary from time to time even in the same culture.
The God says that He has perfected everything He created
327 The One who perfected everything He created and He began the creation of the human from mud.
644 He created the heavens and the Earth with truth, and He designed you and perfected your design, and to Him is the final destiny.
674 He created seven skies in layers. You do not see any imperfection in the creation by the Almighty. Keep looking; do you see any flaw?Having said that, IMO plastic surgery would be ok if it is performed to correct a gross deformity due to an accident or after certain surgeries such as mastectomy for breast cancer.
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One should be content with one's body and external appearances as the definition of external beauty or good looks is very subjective and different for different cultures and can vary from time to time even in the same culture.
If you are not happy with your bent nose. Your are not happy with your bent nose regardless of any cultural norm on definition of beauty -)
The God says that He has perfected everything He created
I must be the imperfection that slipped through God's fingers.
Just kidding -)Having said that, IMO plastic surgery would be ok if it is performed to correct a gross deformity due to an accident or after certain surgeries such as mastectomy for breast cancer.
What if you are born with a bent nose? then you should live with that yeah? Why, if it can be corrected by surgery?
What if a hormonal changes gave you breasts tanveer?
Would live with them or remove them?These days lot of women are sprouting moustaches - should they not wax or shave then? Because God created women not to have moustaches?
What about women with unimaginably large breasts, hey they are not gross deformity, but they can be very heavy to walk about with, hould they not have breast reduction then?
Regards,
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Peace LT,
What if you are born with a bent nose? then you should live with that yeah? Why, if it can be corrected by surgery?
What if a hormonal changes gave you breasts tanveer?
Would live with them or remove them?These days lot of women are sprouting moustaches - should they not wax or shave then? Because God created women not to have moustaches?
What about women with unimaginably large breasts, hey they are not gross deformity, but they can be very heavy to walk about with, hould they not have breast reduction then?
I gave only few examples and not every conceivable situation. IMO in all above cases it would be ok for plastic surgery. All the above examples would be classified as a dis-ease/imbalance and plastic surgery would correct that dis-ease/imbalance thereby bringing it to wasat.
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I gave only few examples and not every conceivable situation. IMO in all above cases it would be ok for plastic surgery. All the above examples would be classified as a dis-ease/imbalance and plastic surgery would correct that dis-ease/imbalance thereby bringing it to wasat.
Is bent nose God's Perfection or human deformity?
Is being born with six digits God Perfection or human deformity? -
Peace LT,
Is bent nose God's Perfection or human deformity?
Is being born with six digits God Perfection or human deformity?Bent nose or six fingers is not imperfection but OUR PERCEIVED IMPERFECTION because of our cultural and social norms or perceptions.
Having said that, congenital abnormalities and birth defects are our fault and not The God's. It depends on if the mother used some drug while she was pregnant, or exposed to radiation or environmental pollutants or carcinogens or viral infections etc. All those things are OUR FAULT that we subjected our children to some kind of environmental insult, damaging the child ourselves. The God has perfected the creation and is not responsible for our faults.
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Peace All,
Changing how we look is the department of Al Shai6an. Iblees despised Adam (humans) from day one. He considered him (them) of a lower/lesser substance (clay). So he took it upon himself to prove to God that humans too feel the same way about themselves and so started convicing humans to change themsleves whenever and however possible. Iblees's mission is to tell us that we don't look right and that something has to be done to correct this mistake (in Iblees' mind this mistake was done by God, and that is why he refused to submit to God to prostrate to Adam Iblees' logic!).
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Peace LT,
Is bent nose God's Perfection or human deformity?
Is being born with six digits God Perfection or human deformity?Bent nose or six fingers is not imperfection but OUR PERCEIVED IMPERFECTION because of our cultural and social norms or perceptions.
As I said before a bent nose is a bent nose regardless of our percieved imperfection of our cultural and social norms. And humans have fingers on each hand, where in the scripture does it talk about six fingered humans? or five legged men? -)
Having said that, congenital abnormalities and birth defects are our fault and not The God's. It depends on if the mother used some drug while she was pregnant, or exposed to radiation or environmental pollutants or carcinogens or viral infections etc. All those things are OUR FAULT that we subjected our children to some kind of environmental insult, damaging the child ourselves. The God has perfected the creation and is not responsible for our faults.
God's Perfect Creation is very prone environmental damage isn't it?
If our car was easily prone to breakdowns then will say shoddy workmanship -)
Regards,
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Hello Lote,
I tried the gym once. Almost passed out on the exercise machine!! -)
That still shouldn't stop you from working out. But check first with your physician.
I was watching the movie "Frida" the other day. She married Diego Rivera who happened to lack all the features you mentioned above. Her parents thought the couple was like an elephant marrying a dove!!!
Hey I have not heard of Frida or Diego Rivera. Who are these people?
You can do a search at yahoo for "an elephant marrying a dove, Frida".
Regards,
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God's Perfect Creation is very prone environmental damage isn't it?
If our car was easily prone to breakdowns then will say shoddy workmanship
If you put your hand in fire and it gets burned, is that shoddy workmanship?
As I said before a bent nose is a bent nose regardless of our percieved imperfection of our cultural and social norms. And humans have fingers on each hand, where in the scripture does it talk about six fingered humans? or five legged men?
If one human harms another it is not The God's fault.
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God's Perfect Creation is very prone environmental damage isn't it?
If our car was easily prone to breakdowns then will say shoddy workmanship
If you put your hand in fire and it gets burned, is that shoddy workmanship?
Thats not same as being born deformed is it?
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Thats not same as being born deformed is it?
Yes it is. One person harming another.
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Thats not same as being born deformed is it?
Yes it is. One person harming another.
What putting your hand deliberately in fire is same as being born deformed?
But the question is if human beings are being deformed by the environment then it is shoddy workmanship of the desginer is it not?
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What putting your hand deliberately in fire is same as being born deformed?
But the question is if human beings are being deformed by the environment then it is shoddy workmanship of the desginer is it not?
One person harming the other by exposing it to environmental insults (for example radiation) and making it deformed is similar to putting it in fire.
The answer once again.......is putting your hand in fire and getting burned = shoddy workmanship? You want to blame the Creator for our faults?
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Peace All,
Being "normal", "less than normal" and "above normal" are all part of God's plan. Is there anyone here who disagree with the fact that we are not all born with the same abilities whether in looks or in brains? For a person to be retarded, or genius, that is not a mistake. The same way with the physical side. Deformity could be because either God intended it or as a result of a human error. If deformity can be treated/fixed to help another human being become independent, then why not? It could be a form of sickness that can be easily treated, and medicine now more advanced. If not then we have to accept it the same we gladly accept having genius, or extraordinary people in the family!
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One person harming the other by exposing it to environmental insults (for example radiation) and making it deformed is similar to putting it in fire.
If by standing in sunlight radiation causes birth defects then I say it is shoddy workmanship! -)
The answer once again.......is putting your hand in fire and getting burned = shoddy workmanship?
Putting your hand in fire deliberately is sheer stupidity! Nothing to do with workmanship. It is like driving in your new shiny mercedes benze over cliff and hoping to survive. This is nothing do with workmanship but sheer lunacy -)
But if your new shiny mercedeez benzes gets wet inside in the rain then thats shoddy workmanship! If exposure of humans to earthly environments causes birth defects in newborn then it is shoddy workmanship in the design of humans, yeah? -)
You want to blame the Creator for our faults?
Yes, why not? Who else can you blame? I am sure God can handle complaints can't he, yeah? -)
Regards,
