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Plastic surgery ... allowed or prohibiteD ?

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    Andya_Primanda
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    Salaam Wakas

    Which ayat is that?

    I thought the 'Thou shalt not changeth God's creation' comes from hadith?

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      Peace,

      I wouldn't condone it. Especially if the purpose is to make oneself more "beautiful". Having said that, I dont think there's a prohibition as such. On the other hand, it's not a bad thing to do if it is corrective surgery for someone who's had an accident or disease.

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        Wakas
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        I believe I was referring to sign 4119

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          unknownuser
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          AOA
          what do u guuys think bout plastic surgery? Nose reshaping ? What does the Quran say ?

          Hello Ammar,

          What part of your "anatomy" do you want to change? -)

          These days you can change anything. From your skin colour to extending the length of your...erm...hum.."legs", even women can enhance not only boobs but also other "things" -) ?

          I would like a beautiful body myself. May be in the future they can grow a perfect body from my own DNA strands yeah?

          I wonder will I be still "Me"

          Regards,

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            I would like a beautiful body myself. May be in the future they can grow a perfect body from my own DNA strands yeah?

            I wonder will I be still "Me"

            Regards,

            If you grow a body from your own DNA it will grow up to look just like you (with a few alterations due to different growth histories, obviously.

            It won't be you. The new body is technically your twin brother.

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              I would like a beautiful body myself. May be in the future they can grow a perfect body from my own DNA strands yeah?

              I wonder will I be still "Me"

              Regards,

              If you grow a body from your own DNA it will grow up to look just like you (with a few alterations due to different growth histories, obviously.

              It won't be you. The new body is technically your twin brother.

              I meant with my own DNA but "altered" and so that it becomes a beautiful body with a face with chisled features with added biceps, triceps and 6 pacs that women like a lot -) (may be my brain could be transferred to that body or may be my consciouness can be downloaded to the new body in the future, yeah? -)

              Regards,

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                Andya_Primanda
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                I meant with my own DNA but "altered" and so that it becomes a beautiful body with a face with chisled features with added biceps, triceps and 6 pacs that women like a lot -) (may be my brain could be transferred to that body or may be my consciouness can be downloaded to the new body in the future, yeah? -)

                Regards,

                Well the technology for those isn't available yet and I doubt that you can store your consciousness in a physical sense.

                Just enjoy what you have now wink

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                  I meant with my own DNA but "altered" and so that it becomes a beautiful body with a face with chisled features with added biceps, triceps and 6 pacs that women like a lot -) (may be my brain could be transferred to that body or may be my consciouness can be downloaded to the new body in the future, yeah? -)

                  Regards,

                  Well the technology for those isn't available yet and I doubt that you can store your consciousness in a physical sense.

                  Just enjoy what you have now wink

                  Ha ha -)
                  hey stop ruining my dreams!!! -)

                  We can land probes on the moons of Neptune billlions miles away, we can even line up atoms in neat rows to spell out the words "IBM". I am sure we can accompolish ANYTHING!!!! -)

                  Regards,

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                    I am sure we can accompolish ANYTHING!!!! -)

                    ...except realise that we can't. idea

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                      Hello Lote,

                      I meant with my own DNA but "altered" and so that it becomes a beautiful body with a face with chisled features with added biceps, triceps and 6 pacs that women like a lot -) (may be my brain could be transferred to that body or may be my consciouness can be downloaded to the new body in the future, yeah? -)

                      Regards,

                      "...that women like a lot"!? You've been had!

                      I was watching the movie "Frida" the other day. She married Diego Rivera who happened to lack all the features you mentioned above. Her parents thought the couple was like an elephant marrying a dove!!!

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                        Salaamun alaikum Wakas, all,

                        *there is a sign stating one should not change The God's creation but I personally do not interpret this sign in this way, others might.

                        4119 "And I will misguide them and make them desire, and I will command them, so that they will mark the ears of the livestock, and I will command them so they will make change to God's creation." Whoever takes the devil as a supporter other than God, then he has indeed lost a great loss.
                        4120 He promises them and makes them desire, but what the devil promises them is only vanity.

                        The above signs clearly state that devil will command us to make changes to The God's creation and that whoever takes the devil as supporter other than The God is in a great loss.

                        Brother Wakas, can you please explain how do you interpret this sign other than not to make any anatomical or genetic change in one's body, which is akin to plastic surgery or genetic recombination?

                        Regards,

                        Tanveer

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                          Hello TAJ,

                          "...that women like a lot"!? You've been had!

                          I wish I was had!!
                          Just kidding -)
                          just a little unclean humour on my part -)

                          But don't worry for a shapless-of-blob like me there is little chance of being had in any form or other -)

                          Men and Women in my office are obssessed with body beautiful! They spend their lunch and evening going to the gym. Men call it "Beefcaking" !
                          and women call it, "bum trimming" or something like that. I tried the gym once. Almost passed out on the exercise machine!! -)
                          But here the Gym is a big business!

                          I was watching the movie "Frida" the other day. She married Diego Rivera who happened to lack all the features you mentioned above. Her parents thought the couple was like an elephant marrying a dove!!!

                          Hey I have not heard of Frida or Diego Rivera. Who are these people?

                          And I see you changed your icon again. Can see the camels face clearly now. But what happened to the puppy?

                          Regards,

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                            The above signs clearly state that devil will command us to make changes to The God's creation and that whoever takes the devil as supporter other than The God is in a great loss.
                            Tanveer

                            Oh Tanveer, you are a spoil sport!

                            Millions of people are not happy with the way they look!
                            It seems it is such a human thing not to be satisfied in how you look.

                            What is wrong with straigtening a bent nose for instance which gives that individual a sense of confidence in themselves?

                            For me no amount of plastic surgery can help! But if I had only a crooked nose perhaps, yes I might consider it or perhaps not -)

                            Regards,

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                              Wakas
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                              peace tanveer,

                              Assuming the translation is correct, I feel its referring to the balance within the creation. From what I've studied from 'the reading' of those who corrupt (i.e. disorder) the earth/order/justice etc. they go against the balance / transgress the boundaries/limits. It simply cannot be a blanket statement meaning no change to any part of The God's creation.

                              Once we understand what attributes The God has instilled within the creation, then we can see what it means to change such a creation.

                              Wakas

                              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                Peace all,

                                IMO we should not make any change to The God's creation if it is only for cosmetic reasons, i.e. to improve some external feature to make it look "better" or "more beautiful" without the presence of any gross deformity, because then we will be following our ego and/or the devil. One should be content with one's body and external appearances as the definition of external beauty or good looks is very subjective and different for different cultures and can vary from time to time even in the same culture.

                                The God says that He has perfected everything He created

                                327 The One who perfected everything He created and He began the creation of the human from mud.
                                644 He created the heavens and the Earth with truth, and He designed you and perfected your design, and to Him is the final destiny.
                                674 He created seven skies in layers. You do not see any imperfection in the creation by the Almighty. Keep looking; do you see any flaw?

                                Having said that, IMO plastic surgery would be ok if it is performed to correct a gross deformity due to an accident or after certain surgeries such as mastectomy for breast cancer.

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                                  One should be content with one's body and external appearances as the definition of external beauty or good looks is very subjective and different for different cultures and can vary from time to time even in the same culture.

                                  If you are not happy with your bent nose. Your are not happy with your bent nose regardless of any cultural norm on definition of beauty -)

                                  The God says that He has perfected everything He created

                                  I must be the imperfection that slipped through God's fingers.
                                  Just kidding -)

                                  Having said that, IMO plastic surgery would be ok if it is performed to correct a gross deformity due to an accident or after certain surgeries such as mastectomy for breast cancer.

                                  What if you are born with a bent nose? then you should live with that yeah? Why, if it can be corrected by surgery?

                                  What if a hormonal changes gave you breasts tanveer?
                                  Would live with them or remove them?

                                  These days lot of women are sprouting moustaches - should they not wax or shave then? Because God created women not to have moustaches?

                                  What about women with unimaginably large breasts, hey they are not gross deformity, but they can be very heavy to walk about with, hould they not have breast reduction then?

                                  Regards,

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                                    Peace LT,

                                    What if you are born with a bent nose? then you should live with that yeah? Why, if it can be corrected by surgery?

                                    What if a hormonal changes gave you breasts tanveer?
                                    Would live with them or remove them?

                                    These days lot of women are sprouting moustaches - should they not wax or shave then? Because God created women not to have moustaches?

                                    What about women with unimaginably large breasts, hey they are not gross deformity, but they can be very heavy to walk about with, hould they not have breast reduction then?

                                    I gave only few examples and not every conceivable situation. IMO in all above cases it would be ok for plastic surgery. All the above examples would be classified as a dis-ease/imbalance and plastic surgery would correct that dis-ease/imbalance thereby bringing it to wasat.

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                                      I gave only few examples and not every conceivable situation. IMO in all above cases it would be ok for plastic surgery. All the above examples would be classified as a dis-ease/imbalance and plastic surgery would correct that dis-ease/imbalance thereby bringing it to wasat.

                                      Is bent nose God's Perfection or human deformity?
                                      Is being born with six digits God Perfection or human deformity?

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                                        Peace LT,

                                        Is bent nose God's Perfection or human deformity?
                                        Is being born with six digits God Perfection or human deformity?

                                        Bent nose or six fingers is not imperfection but OUR PERCEIVED IMPERFECTION because of our cultural and social norms or perceptions.

                                        Having said that, congenital abnormalities and birth defects are our fault and not The God's. It depends on if the mother used some drug while she was pregnant, or exposed to radiation or environmental pollutants or carcinogens or viral infections etc. All those things are OUR FAULT that we subjected our children to some kind of environmental insult, damaging the child ourselves. The God has perfected the creation and is not responsible for our faults.

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                                          TAJ
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                                          Peace All,

                                          Changing how we look is the department of Al Shai6an. Iblees despised Adam (humans) from day one. He considered him (them) of a lower/lesser substance (clay). So he took it upon himself to prove to God that humans too feel the same way about themselves and so started convicing humans to change themsleves whenever and however possible. Iblees's mission is to tell us that we don't look right and that something has to be done to correct this mistake (in Iblees' mind this mistake was done by God, and that is why he refused to submit to God to prostrate to Adam Iblees' logic!).

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