ABSURDITY OF THEOCRACY?
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Salaamun alaikum,
If you go by al-quraan , its not a question of theocracy vs democracy. This is an illusion perpetrated by the mythmakers. Al-Quraan says
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of TAGHOOT So fight ye against the friends of Satan feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan (4/76)So either you're fighting in Allah's way or you're fighting in a false god's way. It's all a theocracy, including serving yourself (as 'hawaa'/lust is also a false god - 25/43)
As for LT and his dhimmis and jiyza, if '2 years of reading the quran' didn't help him to dispel that myth, I dont know what will. Look at this
LT Noah God is beyond all human concepts! He is not a father figure Noah with long beard sitting on a Big Throne. Grow up!
In other words, there's nothing in the corpus of human concepts which allow us to understand Allah. Not even something His messenger brings. What does Al-quraan say to that
Those who deny Allah and His messengers, and (those who) wish to SEPERATE ALLAH FROM HIS MESSENGERS, saying "We believe in some but reject others" And (those who) wish to take a course midway,- They are UNBELIEVERS IN TRUTH; and we have prepared for unbelievers a humiliating punishment. (4/150-151)
NoahI agree, it isnt. However, we are not talking about organised relegion, but a state based on Quran
Brother, perhaps the best word is 'umma' . Al-quraan doesn't have the notion of a state but does propagate the notion of a community with certain traits. The umma of believers and muslims.
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Peace Noah,
the quran you are thinking of for that theocrazy is the free-minds 'The Message?, isn't it?
Elena
I hope not. I'd prefer the original text over any translation.
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Peace Noah,
the quran you are thinking of for that theocrazy is the free-minds 'The Message?, isn't it?
Elena
or similar, yes it is.
Peace
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Peace Noah,
the quran you are thinking of for that theocrazy is the free-minds 'The Message?, isn't it?
Elena
I hope not. I'd prefer the original text over any translation.
As i dont read Arab very well. Elena is perfectly right. For MY choice, its the free-minds one or similar p
Peace
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NoahAs i dont read Arab very well. Elena is perfectly right. For MY choice, its the free-minds one or similar p
Have u read this
http//www.toluislam.com/pub_online/quranic_laws/q_laws.htm
it might help , although i disagree with the notion of a state at all.
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agreed. Good post. I guess i need to rethink my stand on how the state should interact with the populaton.
NoahBack to the drawing board for you Noah?
Please do come back after you have re-thought everything.
-)Regards,
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Hello Ayman,
What is needed is international rights. Law only comes into play when a right is violated and in this case the only law we need is the law of equivalence to punish the violator. Let each community make its own laws based on those principles of unchangeable God-given human rights. Competition and open borders (the right to freedom of movement) will naturally take care of the rest.
Can you clarify this - this does not mean Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a Tooth does it?
Regards,
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Peace Noah,
the quran you are thinking of for that theocrazy is the free-minds 'The Message?, isn't it?
Elena
or similar, yes it is.
Peace
NoahI see.
Then, theocrazy based on the quran "The Message"; no Sunnah, no Hadits, no opinion of the jurists -- I suppose, and personal reasoning yes?I think there will be hardly a soul there...imagine how many groups will be excluded?
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Can you clarify this - this does not mean Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a Tooth does it?
Regards,
Lote Tree,
Have you got a problem with this law? Do you have a better law that protects the victims?
thanks
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Can you clarify this - this does not mean Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a Tooth does it?
Regards,
Lote Tree,
Have you got a problem with this law? Do you have a better law that protects the victims?
thanks
Yes, I think it is of the past, the past we have left behind.
Eye for an Eye makes the world go blind. -
Eye for an Eye makes the world go blind.
Ah how beautiful ! So the oppressor gets to keep blinding while the oppressed is told this beautiful saying !
Why does the Quran says "To Forgive is Better"?
Is it out of sheer fun of it after blinding someone with the law of Eye for an Eye?Regards,
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Salaam LoteTree,
You make no sense. Maybe that is because you have no sense of the quran so I do not blame you if that is the case.
JoeHow easy you make it for me with your neat little sentences -)
But we "had" our chat chap.
If you want to contribute to this thread then please do so.
If not send me PM for any personal remarks that you may have and we will take from there OK?
Thanks.
Regards,
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Hello Lote Tree,
Will you kindly address the question instead of resorting to short cut, cliche responses? You do realise this is a cliche against the Old testament and has nothing to do with the quran don't you? I don't ask this question out of malice, you claim to have outgrown the scripture, I want to hear exactly how you prevent the injustice against victims. How do you prevent taking care of the criminals but forgetting the victims?
It is a well known feature of big robberies that witnesses are customarily killed, often citing they'll only get a few years and be out. What I want to know is how does your view of justice prevent such a callous way of taking life?
Can you clarify this - this does not mean Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a Tooth does it?
Regards,
Lote Tree,
Have you got a problem with this law? Do you have a better law that protects the victims?
thanks
Yes, I think it is of the past, the past we have left behind.
Eye for an Eye makes the world go blind. -
agreed. Good post. I guess i need to rethink my stand on how the state should interact with the populaton.
NoahBack to the drawing board for you Noah?
Please do come back after you have re-thought everything.
-)Regards,
No not at all...
I guess i need to rethink my stand on how the state should interact with the populaton.
In the context you pulled this out of, it should be obvious what im to rethink.
Epletive remark deleted by Admin You twist, distort, take out of context anything to fit your own trip, and to be honest, it has started to really annoy me. Expect no further communication from me untill you change this pattern of behaviour.
Elena...yeah i guess it would be a pretty lonely place without all the conjecture. allthough the Quran alone idea has started to gain momentum here. I dont even have to preach, people realise it themself, and start talking to me.
Mquran. Thank you for the link. i will look it through now )
Peace
NoahNoah
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Salaam,
How easy you make it for me with your neat little sentences
I'm not sure what you mean here. Is this an incomplete thought?
But we "had" our chat chap.
Yes, on a completely different thread and on a completely different subject. Make things easy on yourself and become informed.
If you want to contribute to this thread then please do so.
I do not need you to lecture me about what I can do if an opportunity arises. I come here questioning your inqueries which seem nonesensical. I hope you know what questions I am referring to. If not then I will let you know now that they are those two that come right before my reply.
If not send me PM for any personal remarks that you may have and we will take from there OK?
All personal remarks are not negative. If you have no sense of something that does not make it wrong. If I hurt your feelings by stating something you may have some guilt about then excuse my directness.
Joe
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This is a common tactic of TheNabi, when he has no answers he runs around in circles
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Albion
If we are going to be speaking of common tactics, can you please tell your split personality of 'vincentia' to come back please? Thank you.