THEFT PUNISHMENT
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SaLaM Saladin
I want to put u on the spot and ask you if that is fair and what YOU will do.
According to you, if someone steals, cut off their hands. OK, assume you stole my bucket of KFC. I found you, and i cut your hands off. Assume you have a family. A wife and 2 children. That is why you stole my bucket of KFC, so u can feed them.
NOW, i cut ur hands off, which u completely agree with. The next verse
Whoever repents after his wrongdoing and makes reparations, then God will accept his repentance. God is Forgiving, Merciful.
How will it help you if God accepts your repentance or not? now you cant feed your family, you cant feel your children. What good has it done, that GOD forgave u?
I want to know, how would YOU feel if your hands were cut off AND what YOU will do once you repent i.e. How will u support your family now? -
Salaam all,
Aha so now Saladin is in action again.
You seems to like to cut off things if I can remember correct!?
Wasn't it you who thought that behead someone was OK.
You scare the hell out of me with your cruelty.
Sis Majidah
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Wasn't it you who thought that behead someone was OK.
You scare the hell out of me with your cruelty.
u are just trying to be more merciful than Allah . u just try to change the commandments of Allah because u think they are brutal and unjust .
Allah knows what is better for us . trust Him .
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I want to put u on the spot and ask you if that is fair and what YOU will do.
According to you, if someone steals, cut off their hands. OK, assume you stole my bucket of KFC. I found you, and i cut your hands off. Assume you have a family. A wife and 2 children. That is why you stole my bucket of KFC, so u can feed them.
salam Jaxal .
under such conditions ,the laws can be relaxed , . for example a man has murdered someone to save the life of his family . he was forced to do it .now he did commit a crime . but because he was forced to do it , then his punishment should not be exactly the same of a normal murderer .
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SaLaM Saladin
I want to put u on the spot and ask you if that is fair and what YOU will do.
According to you, if someone steals, cut off their hands. OK, assume you stole my bucket of KFC. I found you, and i cut your hands off. Assume you have a family. A wife and 2 children. That is why you stole my bucket of KFC, so u can feed them.
NOW, i cut ur hands off, which u completely agree with. The next verse
Whoever repents after his wrongdoing and makes reparations, then God will accept his repentance. God is Forgiving, Merciful.
How will it help you if God accepts your repentance or not? now you cant feed your family, you cant feel your children. What good has it done, that GOD forgave u?
I want to know, how would YOU feel if your hands were cut off AND what YOU will do once you repent i.e. How will u support your family now?salam Jaxal.
the laws are to be applied in a islamic system . an unislamic system produces injustice and poverty etc which lead to crime .
if someone forced to steal because of poverty and hunger , i believe the laws should be relaxed .
we are encouraged to help the poor and needy , by being charitiable .
under such system the need to steal should not arise .
but if the thief repents then he should be forgiven (539) . the hand cutting punishment is for repeat offenders . -
SaLaM Saladin
So now you believe that hands should be chopped off of repeat offenders? Alright, Same scenario.
You come back and steal my bucket of KFC. I catch you again. According to you, i should chop ur hands off. You repent, God forgives. How will you feed your family now?
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Peace saladin,
savage_carrot wrote
if you still think it's cutting OFF of both hands, I dare you to show me how you can cut off your left hand after cutting off your right.what is this supposed to mean ? i dont get it .
We were talking about verse 1231 and how it is marking and not cutting OFF of both hands...We have a scenario, a group of women, all with knives in their hands. They see something wondrous, they get over excited and mark their hands holding the knives. Perfectly understandable, i guess...
When asked about do you think these women cut their hands OFF, you said
why ? is it impossible ?
Now i ask you, these women have cut both their hands OFF...how do you cut the remaining hand if YOU HAVE ONLY ONE HAND LEFT? That remaining hand would be the one holding the knive BTW, so what do you do? Hold the knife in your mouth/foot and start making enough holes in the wrist so the hand will eventually fall off while bleeding to death? Is there a group conspiracy in which the hands are cut alternatively by different women which still leaves one LAST woman with one LAST remaining HAND, or do you propose that the aziz's wife was the hand cutting ring leader which is impossible...
To be honest, this thread has degenerated into stark raving lunacy when a simple verse begs the question is it impossible the women cut their own hands OFF?
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Yo!
the laws are to be applied in a islamic system.
What exactly is an islamic system?
And as you explain it to me and the rest of us reading you answer, try to bring substance that the suggestion in this hand-cutting example is to be applied under such system. Ok?regards,
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SaLaM Saladin
So now you believe that hands should be chopped off of repeat offenders? Alright, Same scenario.
You come back and steal my bucket of KFC. I catch you again. According to you, i should chop ur hands off. You repent, God forgives. How will you feed your family now?
i dont know .
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Wasn't it you who thought that behead someone was OK.
You scare the hell out of me with your cruelty.u are just trying to be more merciful than Allah . u just try to change the commandments of Allah because u think they are brutal and unjust .
Allah knows what is better for us . trust Him .
peace .What! Saladin says, beheading and cutting hands off OK?
u are just trying to be more merciful than Allah . u just try to change the commandments of Allah because u think they are brutal and unjust .
Cutting hands off and beheading is indeed Brutal! When will you think for yourself Saladin?
Regards,
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SaLaM Saladin
Thanks for the honest answer brother. Now, You will have no idea what to do if i cut u hands off for stealing my bucket of KFC to feed your family. EVEN tho you repented and God forgave you, i have deprived your family from you earning an honest living coz now you have no hands.
God already knows that. He knows we wouldnt know what would happen if someone was in your position. Therefore cutting off hands will make absolutely no sense. Where "marking" of hands, whatever and however it may be interpreted as, will. It could simply mean just tie ur hands. Purely as an example. But i hope you see what i mean . D
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Salaam Saladin,
You said I try to be more merciful than Allah Himself, well thanks for that.
But Allah is more merciful because he don't tell us to be cruel and he don't tell us to behead someone.
That is the stupid disgusting customs of SA and I hope they will burn for doing this.
Peace
Sis Majidah -
Salaam Saladin,
You said I try to be more merciful than Allah Himself, well thanks for that.
But Allah is more merciful because he don't tell us to be cruel and he don't tell us to behead someone.
That is the stupid disgusting customs of SA and I hope they will burn for doing this.
Peace
Sis Majidahlet God decide what is brutal and cruel , and what isnt.
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Yo!
the laws are to be applied in a islamic system.
What exactly is an islamic system?
And as you explain it to me and the rest of us reading you answer, try to bring substance that the suggestion in this hand-cutting example is to be applied under such system. Ok?regards,
Speace S.
i meant to say that laws are not to be applied under a system where poverty, hunger etc force people to commit these crimes (even though they might not like to commit these crimes) , because God holds us responsible for our innermost intentions . -
Peace saladin,
when did i say the women cut BOTH their hands ?
You added 1231 as evidence for why it's cutting OFF of both hands which you later edited, thats why I said what i did and explained as well in my previous posts.
If you think it's ONE hand...the question of cut vs cut OFF still stands...
So do you think the women cut OFF one hand each when it is completely out of context in the verse?
And can you prove that it is cut OFF and not cut?
edited to correct