Is Love an Illusion?
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Salaam all,
Yes I do also agree with Lote tree, love cannot be an illusion and sex cannot be love only a part of love.
Love of a child can never die out because they are your own flesh and blood.
Peace
Sis Majidah
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Peace Neo,
Why do you work? - 'cause i needs the moneys
Besides food, shelter, and clothing, why do you 'need' money?
Why do you give? - 'cause i believe in a cause greater than I
Please explain the correlation. Do you give to your family for a greater cause, or do you give to your family for them?
Why do you sacrifice? - it's inevitable
How? What would happen if you didn't sacrifice?
Why do you compromise? - inevitable
How? What would happen if you didn't compromise?
Why do you lie? - 'cause I'm an asshole
We're all assholes wink But that doesn't answer the question.
Why do you tell the truth? - 'cause I'm an asshole
Please see above.
Why do you learn? - 'cause it's my passion
I see, so you love knowledge?
Peace,
Tay -
peace all
Lots of cynicism here. Wow.
I liked your questions, Tay. )
And an interesting thread, LT. Doesn't King Arthur have a lesson on love that fits with what you're saying?
Romantic love is superficial, shallow and fleeting. So is it really "love"? It seems to be just a starter emotion that could lead to deeper love.
For real love seems to be a far sturdier emotion and one that pushes us beyond seeking our own gratification. And this includes love for others besides romantic partners.
For love, I give more of myself. I go out in bad weather, go to places I would not normally go. I've sat through difficult conversations, gone hungry, been thirsty, spent money, cried, and even said goodbye. Whatever I have done, the same has been done for me in return--and perhaps more.
Even for healthy self love, I do what is best for my well-being, rather than what feels good. This includes walking away from romantic "love" when I know the relationship isn't good for me.
The emotion we feel, what we call "love," may be only an internal barometer of sorts, a way of letting us know something's there. Otherwise, love seems to be a force we can tap into and act upon, unseen yet affecting us and connecting us with others. Empathy and care seem to be involved, although I'm not sure if they're the seeds or the water. If anybody finds a lost metaphor, it could be mine. D Or if you find a lost love, that could be mine too.
So I don't think love is an illusion. It's similar to gravity--we know what gravity is when we feel it. At least, however, we've figured out how to measure gravity!
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SaLaM My Lovely Cutie Sis
Lolll SM, we willl truely tease each other till death do us part Lolllll
Love of a child can never die out because they are your own flesh and blood.
I will disagree with you here SM. A snake eats her own eggs, did you know that? A cat eats its dead kitten. So does a hamster. As far as human mothers go, they will also try to destroy their children. I have seen it. So you simply cannot say a mother's love for her child can never die.
To everyon else
Love , at best, is an excuse to have sex with the opposite sex and feel good about it. Thats it. There is NOTHING a person can do in love which he/she cant do when NOT in love. Prove me wrong here.
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SaLaM Tay
Love... its such an ambiguous word. We love our parents, we also love our cars. We love our house. We love our kids. We love our spouses. We love the sky. We love the angels. I love KFC. I love my honda. I love the night sky when its dark and raining. I love the stars. I love mountains. I love kittens and puppys. I also love the smell of my mom's cooking. I love the morning air. I love dance music. I love God. I love maltezers.
So, is loving my honda = Loving my God? Is loving my child = Loving my wife? that not only sounds wrong, but sounds disgusting. The word is the same love and yet how can i love my child same as i love my wife? or even God??
Love is an abused word. People stick it anyones face without thinking twice. I did it. So i know. Frankly, the meaning of Love is lost. Its just another word. Nothing special. People are stuck on the drama and movies where the hero will destroy whole armies just to get to his girl. Its a fantasy. Love is a poor man's dream and hope. Nothing more.
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Hello Lote Tree, all
But I say to you what about love of God or love of a child? Is that a joke and illusion too, for you?
I don't know what is "love of God"
Do you mean to be aware of the creator, and and comply to the rules we think it demmands us?
I am serious, I don't know what it is.
I just understand that a bit, not totally, if we see it from the "oneness" concept. And you have said in other threads that "God" is not an objective fact but has always been a subjective experience of the individual. Can you link this with the the concept of 'love of God' please?
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Hello Elena,
Hello Lote Tree, all
But I say to you what about love of God or love of a child? Is that a joke and illusion too, for you?
I don't know what is "love of God"
Do you mean to be aware of the creator, and and comply to the rules we think it demmands us?
Perhaps, but as I said before I am still struggling to understand the meaning of Love. I have so far come to this view point (rightly or wrongly) that Love is not sex. Sex can be part of Love.
I am serious, I don't know what it is.
And yes I am too serious about Love -)
But I am still coming to terms with it. Still learning. Still understanding.
Still struggling in the dark to understand what love means.I just understand that a bit, not totally, if we see it from the "oneness" concept. And you have said in other threads that "God" is not an objective fact but has always been a subjective experience of the individual. Can you link this with the the concept of 'love of God' please?
If you are able to have "love" for humanity then you are loving "God" are you not? If you can have "love" for the Universe then you are loving "God" are you not? because "God" pervades, sustains and inspires whole creation?
Subjective experience of "God" also tells us that God is not a separate entity out there in a separate divine ontological sphere but is instricably linked with everhtying that exists.
I hope that helps -)
But teach me about Love if you can, for it is Love that I struggle to understand, it is Love that I struggle to come to terms with?
Regards,
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Hello sytalls,
peace all
And an interesting thread, LT. Doesn't King Arthur have a lesson on love that fits with what you're saying?That may be so. It is hard to be original when it comes to Love! -)
It seems like the Idea of God, human beings have been saying the same things about Love over and over again throughout human history -)Romantic love is superficial, shallow and fleeting. So is it really "love"? It seems to be just a starter emotion that could lead to deeper love.
I am begin to think that romantic love is a starter emotion through which you begin to understand the true meaning of Love itself.
For real love seems to be a far sturdier emotion and one that pushes us beyond seeking our own gratification. And this includes love for others besides romantic partners.
I agree. Love seeketh not itself to please -)
The emotion we feel, what we call "love," may be only an internal barometer of sorts, a way of letting us know something's there. Otherwise, love seems to be a force we can tap into and act upon, unseen yet affecting us and connecting us with others. Empathy and care seem to be involved, although I'm not sure if they're the seeds or the water. If anybody finds a lost metaphor, it could be mine. D Or if you find a lost love, that could be mine too.
I really like this bit. Yes, love is a way of connecting with others.
Regards,
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Salaam Cutie Br Jaxal,
Well I was thinking about normal people with a brain right!
The normal behaviour of a mother is to guard and brought up her children in a good way.
Ok, there can be situations when the mother must left her kids in another persons custody but a mother is always a mother and will do everything to be kind and just with her offspring ,if she is normal.
Peace
Sis Majidah -
Salaam Cutie Br Jaxal,
Ok then!
Peace
Sis Majidah -
Peace to all,
I don't know if love is an illusion or not, maybe to those who haven't experienced it think of it as one, I don't know. But personally, I think it's very dangerous, for it allows you to live in this fantasy world which is quite distant from reality itself. Especially to those who are obsessive (not necessarily infatuated), it is very dangerous to let your world revolve around a certain individual, to let them have control over your emotions, because people are exactly what they are,---people, and they can't really be trusted. People can change very quickly, and so can the way they feel. Your happiness is in your own hands, and it's wise to let it stay that way. I wouldn't want to be dependent on anybody for happiness, rather keep them as a bonus.
-Sara
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salaam sara,
Keep them as a bonus, well why not very good and clever written.
Peace
Sis Majidah -
Peace to all,
I don't know if love is an illusion or not, maybe to those who haven't experienced it think of it as one, I don't know. But personally, I think it's very dangerous, for it allows you to live in this fantasy world which is quite distant from reality itself. Especially to those who are obsessive (not necessarily infatuated), it is very dangerous to let your world revolve around a certain individual, to let them have control over your emotions, because people are exactly what they are,---people, and they can't really be trusted. People can change very quickly, and so can the way they feel. Your happiness is in your own hands, and it's wise to let it stay that way. I wouldn't want to be dependent on anybody for happiness, rather keep them as a bonus.
-Sara
Love one another but make not a bond of love
Let it rather be a moving sea between the shores of your souls.
Fill each other's cup but drink not from one cup.
Give one another of your bread but eat not from the same loaf.
Sing and dance together and be joyous, but let each one of you be alone,
Even as the strings of a lute are alone though they quiver with the same music.
Give your hearts, but not into each other's keeping.
For only the hand of Life can contain your hearts.
And stand together, yet not too near together
For the pillars of the temple stand apart,
And the oak tree and the cypress grow not in each other's shadow.
-Khalil Gibran
Let me not to the marriage of true minds (Sonnet CXVI)
Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.-- William Shakespeare
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Hi lote tree,
only you could have started this thread
I'm with saladin on this when he says love is a test - but i believe that when we pass the test there will be a recompense...
Also , for further discussion - why not take a look at the kybalion (so dear to idolfree - thanks to him i read it) - love and hate, two extremes of the one sensation ... and also in the kybalion nothing stays the same... but read for yourself
Salam all, LK
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Hello Elke,
Long time no speak!
Where did you disappear to?Hi lote tree,
only you could have started this thread )I hope its a good thing -)
But Love is a Worthy Thing to Investigate is it not?I'm with saladin on this when he says love is a test - but i believe that when we pass the test there will be a recompense...
Test of what? For RomaNtic Love - is the test to see how much pain you can feel and endure? For unrequited love the pain can be like hot iron through your soul! So again I ask you - is love a test of pain endurance? or is it somehting more?
Regards,
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Salaam Br Lote-Tree,
I will only add that LOVE has many sides both good and bad.
And Love has many levels.
With this I mean that love is good when you can have your love in peace with someone but when for an example jelousy come in then it can kill the love and change it to hate.
With levels i mean that you can love someone in different ways, your partner who you share the bed with can you love passionated but your kids you love in another way and the same with your parents, relatives,friends and so on.
For me Love is so magic you never knows how it will turn you!
peace
Sister Majidah
My conclusion is that love can have many faces and it is of course individual how you achieve love.
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Peace,
I think it's wrong to try and sum up love like this so quickly in a nutshell! Love is what unites us all, our love for knowledge and the beauty of the Most High's creation is what unites us all.
I personally think it is very important and is like gravity in our lives, gravity is invisible but holds the solar systems and galaxies together. Love is what unites and is needed for peace. Scientists have limited knowledge of gravity at the moment, but with love I think every individual has a different understanding of it. Love is too vague and I think in this thread needs to be defined more clearly. But generally love is a good thing no matter what!
I love too many things to hate 'love' because of a bad time between two individuals whether they are friends or lovers.
I love music, cars, cooking, racing, comedies etc. I feel like a hippy today!
By the way, great and interesting thread Lotetree. More heart warming, unlike the heated debates!
Nural