MANIFESTO for Islamic Reform
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peace LoteTree.
Bush and Blair Evil? Saudis flying plane load of innocent people into buildings is pure evil! Blowing up crowded commuter trains full of innocent people is pure evil. Saddam gasing the Kurds is pure evil.
so the elected leaders like bush and blair never killed anyone . havent they killed more ppl than saddam and bin laden ?
More people than Saddam? Are we into numbers game here? War in Iraq is very tragic. No one can justify the deaths of the innocents.
Saddam destroyed the Marsh Arabs chap. He gassed his OWN people. He caused the deaths of millions of people in the Iraq-Iran war. And thousands died in the Kuwait Invasion.
what matters is Bush KILLED , BUTCHERED , just like saddam did . whether his "OWN" people or not .
Numbers game? Blair and Bush win hands down!!! Iraq war is not about numbers game. Bush and Blair did what no Arab country will ever be able to do and that is to remove a vile dictator!
and killed thousands of innocents in the process of removing the "vile" dictator . please tell us , should that bastard in the oval office be removed in the same way ?
(and why dont Bush and Blair remove that vile fat pig , Ariel Sharon?)a dictator/monarch can be good or evil just like an elected leader .
Let me say this slowly ELECTED LEADERS CAN BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE BY PEACEFUL MEANS. DICTATORS AND KINGS CAN'T BE REMOVED.
slowly , THEN WHY HAS THAT DEVIL NOT BEEN REMOVED FROM THE WHITE HOUSE ?
BY PEACEFUL MEANS ? HE IS THE ONE WHO IS LIVING IN PEACE WHILE INNOCENTS IRAQIS AND AFGHANIS ARE BEING KILLED BECAUSE OF HIS LIES .DICTATORS GO ON KILLING AND MAIMING UNTIL THEY ARE EITHER DIE OF KILLING OTHERS OR THEY ARE ASSASINATED.
ELECTED LEADERS GO ON KILLING AND MAIMING UNTIL THEY EITHER DIE OR THEIR TERM ENDS .
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Salaam Saladin,
I agree with you!
Yeah remove Bush from the white house, a very good idea.
But I doubt there will come a better leader, they are all the same (
Peace
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More people than Saddam? Are we into numbers game here? War in Iraq is very tragic. No one can justify the deaths of the innocents.
Saddam destroyed the Marsh Arabs chap. He gassed his OWN people. He caused the deaths of millions of people in the Iraq-Iran war. And thousands died in the Kuwait Invasion.
what matters is Bush KILLED , BUTCHERED , just like saddam did . whether his "OWN" people or not .
Really? - where did Bush and Blair gas their own people? Where are gulags and torture chambers in the UK where political prisoners are maimed and killed? Bush and Blair did what no Arab country is capable of doing and that is to remove a vile dictator. And in the course of removing a vile dictator many innocent people lost their life in that war and that is very tragic. No one can justify their deaths. War is never clean. War is always messy.
and killed thousands of innocents in the process of removing the "vile" dictator . please tell us , should that bastard in the oval office be removed in the same way ?
War is messy chap. No war is clean. It is very tragic that innocent people lose their life in times of war. No one can excuse their deaths.
Should not have Saddam not been removed after killing millions of people in the Iraq-Iran War, Invasion of Kuwait and destruction of the Marsh Arabs? Or did you wanted him to continue maiming and killing his own citizens and making war on his neigbours and building palaces for himself with bathrooms containing gold plated toilet seats?
slowly , THEN WHY HAS THAT DEVIL NOT BEEN REMOVED FROM THE WHITE HOUSE ?
Because people like you keep supporting DICTATORS around the world who oppresses his own people.
BY PEACEFUL MEANS ? HE IS THE ONE WHO IS LIVING IN PEACE WHILE INNOCENTS IRAQIS AND AFGHANIS ARE BEING KILLED BECAUSE OF HIS LIES .
Iraqis are killing each other now in daily suicide bombings - why is that?
Because Bush lied so they decided to kill each other?ELECTED LEADERS GO ON KILLING AND MAIMING UNTIL THEY EITHER DIE OR THEIR TERM ENDS .
In the UK reign of the Iron Lady Margaret Thatcher ended peacefully. She was brought down by her own party!!!
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LoteTree
I believe you live in UK and must be watching BBC but when you said you don't watch BBC than I guessed you might be watching CNN or Fox. Now you say that you don't watch BBC CNN or Fox than I have no idea from where you are getting this misinformation from.I have lived under dictatorship and now I choose to live in a democracy. My information comes from experience. With a login id of KGB I am sure you have been brought up with a daily diet of PRAVDA as your information source! So you probably know the TRUTH don't you!.
Democracy is not the govement by the people for the people this is only the "Sologan". The democracy is the rule of the rich, democracy is the to implement the rules and regulations which benefits big "Corporations".
These big corporations invest hundreds of millions dollars in each ellection to make sure they will get the billed passed which will make them more rich, these corporations work with Congress and Senate with their interest groups to make sure that their interests are well guarded.
If you think that is the case then in a DEMOCRACY you can work to change it. So work to change that!
Keep living under the sologan "Government by the People for the People" and be happy that you have the control on your elected leaders. I am intelligent enough not to fall for the deceptions.
No, I think you are not intelligent. If you are intelligent then you would not easily bow down to a dictator and be forced to lick his backside only because he wants you to.
And if don't do as the dictator says then I am sure you will very be happy to be sent through a industrial shredder machine in one of saddams torture chambers or perhaps be cooked in one of Edi Amin's cooking pot - and I am sure he will enjoy that feast!
I see democracy for what it is. It is a evolutionary product borne out of human experiences of the past and therefore serves humanity best. Democracy is not perfect and is indeed flawed. But we can work to make democracy better...
Regards,
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Peace
Lote tree...why are there only 2 options in your worldview?
I see democracy for what it is. It is a evolutionary product borne out of human experiences of the past and therefore serves humanity best. Democracy is not perfect and is indeed flawed. But we can work to make democracy better...
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no its not, we have had democracy hre for 200 years. nothing has changed. and its time we start to ask ourself why? now that we have all this wonderfull LIBERTY (like sailors get, not to be confused with God given freedom)???
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LoteTree
I can understand now why MQuran was so irritated and annoyed because you don't want to see the other point of view. All the Saddam allegations which are more lies than truth you keep repeating them.
There is nothing wrong reading PRAVDA news.
You want me to change the democracy? You must be 13 year old kid who think that he can change the system. You live in imaginary world and see the things from popular point of view. Me I analyze everything to come to an conclusion.
MQuran is a wise person and I am following him by quiting this endless senseless discussion.
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"LoteTree" No, I think you are not intelligent. If you are intelligent then you would not easily bow down to a dictator and be forced to lick his backside only because he wants you to.
Attention Moderators
Is LoteTree allowed to suggest me kissing dictators ass? I can be more be more harsh if this is permissible.
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"LoteTree" No, I think you are not intelligent. If you are intelligent then you would not easily bow down to a dictator and be forced to lick his backside only because he wants you to.
Attention Moderators
Is LoteTree allowed to suggest me kissing dictators ass? I can be more be more harsh if this is permissible.
No you better not, then they will edit your posts. like they did mine!
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Noah thank you my friend.
LoteTree you are sorry case of inferiority complex. You decided to stick with the popular propanda of your elected government to be considered "Cool" and to hide your inferiority complex.
I suggest you go and do some reading before jumping into discussions related to world policies and systems. Broaden your view. This also goes for Jaxal. There is nothing wrong if you do not support the popular issues just for you information.
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I received following email from Howard Dean's Democracy For America
The Bible tells us "thou shall not kill." And we consider it a key value to live by. It's a shame that Rev. Pat Robertson, self-appointed leader of America's so-called Christian right, does not.
Robertson's fatwah, calling for the assassination of the president of Venezuela -- in the name of keeping access to a "huge pool of oil," among other excuses -- exposed the warped values of many religious radicals with the ear of the president of the United States.
From efforts to squelch the teaching of sound science in our schools, to the "Justice Sunday" rallies trying to impose religion on the courts, to the quixotic jihad against SpongeBob SquarePants, fundamentalist power grabs make the news and have a huge impact.
But they don't have the teachings of any religion we know of -- and they don't have us. That's why we're sending Robertson a message "Thou shall not kill." Join your voice with ours, and we'll print your name in Robertson's local daily newspaper
http//www.democracyforamerica.com/robertson
Even Donald Rumsfeld -- a man we hardly ever agree with -- had the sense to play down the statement. "Certainly it's against the law," he told the press. "Our department doesn't do that type of thing."
But this calls for more than an offhand comment, because the allegiance that Republicans owe to Robertson and his Christian Coalition allies lets them influence the Bush agenda. Bush and company need to condemn Robertson's outrageous statement.
Rather than wait on the White House though, we'll set an example we'll reject Robertson ourselves. Join Americans across the land in telling Robertson it's time he learned to love his neighbor as himself
http//www.democracyforamerica.com/robertson
Your feedback -- and your name -- will go into an ad in the Virginian-Pilot, the Norfolk area's leading newspaper. We'll put you on record with thousands of Americans rightly -- and righteously -- angry that Robertson keeps twisting our values to serve his petty political agenda.
"I don't want to listen to the fundamentalist preachers anymore," Howard Dean once told us. We don't have to.
Thank you,
Jim Dean
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"LoteTree" No, I think you are not intelligent. If you are intelligent then you would not easily bow down to a dictator and be forced to lick his backside only because he wants you to.
Attention Moderators
Is LoteTree allowed to suggest me kissing dictators ass? I can be more be more harsh if this is permissible.
No such thing meant personally. I wanted to imply that no intelligent human being will easily allow themselves to be humiliated by a dictator. But if it offends you then I take back that sentence and offer this instead If you are intelligent then you would not bow down so easily to a dictator and allow yourself be humiliated.
Regards,
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Peace
Lote tree, is there a reason that youre not answering my question?
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LoteTree you are sorry case of inferiority complex. You decided to stick with the popular propanda of your elected government to be considered "Cool" and to hide your inferiority complex.
I have no such complexes.
Thanks.I suggest you go and do some reading before jumping into discussions related to world policies and systems. Broaden your view. This also goes for Jaxal. There is nothing wrong if you do not support the popular issues just for you information.
And I suggest you read something more than PRAVDA and incase you have not noticed, Soviet Union and Communism is dead!
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Peace
Lote tree, if you dont want to speak to me i fully understand so, that would be my own fault. Just let me know so, Jazak Allah khein.
If thats not the problem. then please answer my question.