Al-Dhikr and the detailing of al-kitaab
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Well you should be known to that the Torah has been changed of humans to fit their needs.
According to verse 159 in Muhammads Book, THE REMINDER is guarded from any such changes. It seems you don't take the qurans word for that !!!
And since we are told in the Quran that Moses was given THE REMINDER this would mean you can produce THE REMINDER given to Moses in its original form.
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According to verse 159 in Muhammads Book, THE REMINDER is guarded from any such changes. It seems you don't take the qurans word for that !!!
And since we are told in the Quran that Moses was given THE REMINDER this would mean you can produce THE REMINDER given to Moses in its original form.
Albion, wow, you've become a true Quranic believer now. Allah be praised !
Since we can now count on you to believe in the Quran, you must also believe the following
- That Musa was never given at-tauraat
- That Musa was given al-furqaan
- That al-furqaan IS al-quraan (25/1)
- That at-tauraat and al-injeel contain promises mentioned in 9/111 and also information about the messenger and his followers in 48/29yet 'torah' and 'gospel' contain no such promises (but a lot of good pornography for the discerning adult)
- That al-quraan is the detailing of the book (10/37)
- That al-quraan contains the detailing of all things (12/111)
- That al-quraan contains every kind of example (17/89)
- That al-quraan is the only kind of revelation to follow (10/15)
welcome to the Quranic club. Dont let anyone tell you to get circumsized though, thats a sunni custom !
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- That al-quraan is the detailing of the book (10/37)
If it is Detailing the scripture, why is the quran soooooo small compared to the scripture
- That Musa was given al-furqaan
- That al-furqaan IS al-quraan (25/1)
You seem confused... If Al-furqaan is Al-Quaran (3) and Moses was given Al-Furqaan (2). Can you explain how Moses was given the Quran
- That al-quraan contains the detailing of all things (12/111)
Detail of ALL things ???.. Then why is it such a small little book. If it detailed ALL things shouldn't it be bigger than the Bible
- That al-quraan contains every kind of example (17/89)
EVERY example.. The quran would need to fill a whole Library to contain EVERY example... But facts are that the quran is a very small LITTLE book, about the size of only ONE of the Books contained in the Bible
Thanks for pointing out another discrepancy to add to the list
- That al-quraan is the only kind of revelation to follow (10/15)
Thanks for pointing out another Discrepancy because 2848-49 says there are TWO Books for guidance
Ask them "Bring a Book from Allah which is a better guide THAN THESE TWO, I will follow it, if what you say be true!" S. 2848-49
But your less than detailed quran fails to name those TWO Books are..
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If it is Detailing the scripture, why is the quran Soooooo small compared to the scripture
Not if the 'scripture' is defined by the Quran itself. Whats this problem with size ? Get some help, man.
EVERY example.. The quran would need to fill a whole Library to contain EVERY example... But facts are that the quran is a very small LITTLE book, about the size of only ONE of the Books contained in the Bible
Well, no it doesnt have examples of son committing heinous acts with fathers and then turning black like the bible does, but you see Allah is not a pervert like you.
Thanks for pointing out another Discrepancy because 2848-49 says there are TWO Books for guidance
Ask them "Bring a Book from Allah which is a better guide THAN THESE TWO, I will follow it, if what you say be true!" S. 2848-49
But your less than detailed quran fails to name those TWO Books are..
2 BOOKS ? you see the word 'kitaaban' there, fraudster? I've already answered you here, btw
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=56073#56073
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2 BOOKS ? you see the word 'kitaaban' there
Just another example of how Detailed the quran is NOT...
If you think Muhammads little book is DETAILED and CLEAR why dont you tell us what 2 THINGS are a better guide in that verse.
Are they two Camels, two prophets, two books or maybe two Magicians. You think you have the DETAILS.. So tell us, dont keep it a secret !!!
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Just another example of how Detailed the quran is NOT...
If you think Muhammads little book is DETAILED and CLEAR why dont you tell us what 2 THINGS are a better guide in that verse.
Are they two Camels, two prophets, two books or maybe two Magicians. You think you have the DETAILS.. So tell us, dont keep it a secret !!!
Albion, are you somewhat illiterate? Do you just run a cut and paste job without ever reading what you pasted? I hope Buchanan and Swaggart pay you enough.
Read the verse 28/49
Say "Then bring ye a Book from Allah, which is a better guide than either of them, that I may follow it! (do), if ye are truthful
So its asking YOU to bring a book (not the kind with foreskin obsessions) if YOU'RE truthful. Something better than al-quraan or the signs of Musa.
Its ok man, I understand why you need to clutch at straws. If I was a bible-toter coming against al-quraan, i'd need to employ deception too.
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Salaam Joe,
Albion is fixated on kitaab being the Bible, and tauraat being Torah and injeel being the Gospel. So when he asks how alquran can detail alkitaab since it is so small he is speaking from a Christian perspective.
I realise that, Joe. The problem is, this person only allows al-quraan to speak partially. Al-quraan mentions az-zikr and he immediately jumps on it but when al-quraan denies his viewpoint, he blanks it. This is , in psychological terms, known as 'psychosis'.
Lets say al-kitaab IS the bible for a second. Al-quraan says an-nabiyeen (without exception) were given al-kitaab bil haqq. Does this sound like the bible to you. Was the bible given to Nuh or Ismail ?
Secondly, al-kitaab has been equated with al-hikmah (who am i telling, you POSTED that article )and al-hikmah is partially disclosed in 17/23-39. Does the bible contain this mentioning at all?
Thirdly, al-kitaab is associated with non-textual information such as natural behaviour (6/3 and bending of reality itself (27/40). So this is in no way the the bible.
Fourthly, does the bible call itself the bible? Al-quraan recognises itself but not the bible. People called it the bible and expect al-quraan to conform to thier definition.
Fifthly, as a matter of text, people who believe in hereafter will be ok when called to the quran ALONE (alqurani wahdahu) they turn away in aversion. So is another text mentioned at all here? If you needed to believe in anything else , it would have been mentioned here (17/45-46)
Sixthly, at-tauraat and al-injeel have specific things such as the promise of Allah in 9/111 and the consequence of those who follow the messenger 48/29. Nowhere does torah and gospel have this. Nothing close in fact.
So yes, for sunnis and christians who need a nice little humanised for themselves, they need to import an alien text in just to justify themselves.
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Lets say al-kitaab IS the bible for a second...
With all due respect, ?alkitabu? is Biblical material...
Since the Koran is 99% Biblical material, does this come as a surprise to you...?
There is no mystery here...
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With all due respect, ?alkitabu? is Biblical material...
Since the Koran is 99% Biblical material, does this come as a surprise to you...?
There is no mystery here...
whew...
how many names/attributes of god does the bible have, mr pie?
Thanks for not denying our assertion.... wink
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Salaam Apple Pie,
You did not answer the question. Also having similar material as the Bible does not equate the Bible with alkitaab.
Thanks for not denying our assertion.... wink
You are trying to push things around here. Again, answer the question. You who are pluralistic.
Joe
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Salaam Apple Pie,
You did not answer the question.
My question was in queue first...
Also having similar material as the Bible does not equate the Bible with alkitaab.
Actually, it does.
This is per the classic definitions...
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Salaam,
Since the Koran is 99% Biblical material, does this come as a surprise to you...?
Can you detail how you arrived to such a conclusion?
Joe
Simple.
By studying the classic Arabic....something that 99.9% of Modern Muslims never do...
You can see this first hand with our sura 81 post.
It will be demonstrated that all 29 ayahs from sura 81 come from the Book of Revelation.
There can be no doubt regarding this.
You can see that no one can even begin to challenge the obvious...
Furthermore, if you actually did study the classic Arabic, then you would have converted to Christianity long ago... wink
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at-tauraat and al-injeel have specific things such as the promise of Allah in 9/111 and the consequence of those who follow the messenger 48/29. Nowhere does torah and gospel have this. Nothing close in fact
That's not suprising !!!.. Why would the Bible contain Muhammads self Serving verses
As has been pointed out, over 90% of the Material in Muhammads Little Book was taken from the Bible, Muhammad also added MANY self serving verses like the ones in 9/111 and 48/29. The fact that Muhammad made a CLAIM to FAME doesn't make it an actual fact. Just means Muhammad was on an Ego trip.. So its no surprising that such verses CAN'T be found in the TRUE Scripture in the Bible...
Actually the ORIGINAL unmodified version of 9111 can be found in the Bible. The reason you couldn't find it is because you was looking for Muhammad's twisted version... ( Kill and BE Killed etc etc).. Sorry but you will only be able to find the TRUE ORIGINAL version without Muhammads self serving parts added...
GOD has bought from the believers their lives and their money in exchange for Paradise. Thus, they fight in the cause of GOD, willing to kill and get killed. Such is His truthful pledge in the Torah, the Gospel, and the Quran - and who fulfills His pledge better than GOD? You shall rejoice in making such an exchange. This is the greatest triumph.
The underlined bit, Muhammad took from Corinthians 619-20
Haven't you yet learned that your body is the home of the Holy Spirit God gave you, and that it lives within you? Your own body does not belong to you. For God has bought you with a great price. So use every part of your body to give glory back to God because he owns it.
After using Corithians as his source Material for 9111, Muhammad twisted it and added the self serving part "Kill and BE KILLED" in the cause of Allah (Nice touch !!!)
Corinthians says God bought use with a great price (same in Muhammads version in 9111).
Corithians says, use your body to GIVE GLORY BACK TO GOD, Muhammad changed this to read us your body to KILL and BE KILLED (What is the Glory in that)You will find more examples of where Muhammad got his source Material from in Apple Pies Thread 81
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Muhammad also added MANY Pre-Islam fables and fairytales to his LITTLE Book. Like the pre-Islamic stories about the jinn. These Arab Myths were well known fairytales that existed pre-Islam, but to gain extra followers Muhammad added those FABLES and MYTHS to appeal to a wider audience in the hope of getting more converts
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Peace,
Apple pieFurthermore, if you actually did study the classic Arabic, then you would have converted to Christianity long ago...
Who ever want to revert to christianity shock
The Al-Quran came as an final message to mankind and why are you jews and christians so worried about that.
God is God there is only ONE God and Quran don't forgot about biblical messengers.
People who turn their backs on God and his messenger isn't sane.
Peace
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Apple PieThanks for not denying our assertion....
Oh sorry, I didn't realise that this was a legal proceeding. Here it is for the record
I CATEGORICALLY DENY THAT THE PORNOGRAPHIC, RACIST BOOK YOU CALL 'THE BIBLE' IS THE SOURCE MATERIAL FOR AL-QURAAN.
Now, why don't you, armed with 'gods word' (sic), answer the question?
That's not suprising !!!.. Why would the Bible contain Muhammads self Serving verses
Albion As has been pointed out, over 90% of the Material in Muhammads Little Book was taken from the Bible, Muhammad also added MANY self serving verses like the ones in 9/111 and 48/29. The fact that Muhammad made a CLAIM to FAME doesn't make it an actual fact. Just means Muhammad was on an Ego trip.. So its no surprising that such verses CAN'T be found in the TRUE Scripture in the Bible...
I just asked your brethren to answer ONE question and he can't. Are you guys really so pathetic that you can't rescind your assertions?
Albion, you have been refuted again and again and you still keep coming back? How much is the KKK paying you? It must be one heck of a sweet deal for you to give up your self-respect and keep coming back.
Anyway, its good to see this time that you couldn't show tauraah and injeel are 'torah' and 'gospel'. I couldn't care less what you idiots think of the Quran, really. Its not meant to please people who find sons having sex with fathers then turning black (psychologists have said that this is the basis of white racism and slavery..LOL) as 'god's book'.
JoeYou are trying to push things around here. Again, answer the question. You who are pluralistic.
Joe, I have to tell you. You cannot expect 'people' like Applepie and Albion to play fair. They will never do that because deep down, they know that thier book is crap. I suggest you use your moderating powers and regulate these discussions. If you don't, then what's going to happen is, we're going to end up repeating ourselves endlessly. Albion is so vulgar that he doesn't mind quoting ONE verse and noting that he quoted two. Why did he get away with this? If you guys, Layth included don't do anything about this, we will find this will go on and on and free-minds will never move forward. But thats my opinion on the matter. This is Layth's mulk which he entrusted upon you. I won't complain if you disagree as i'm clearly here of my own accord.