Al-Dhikr and the detailing of al-kitaab
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If it is Detailing the scripture, why is the quran Soooooo small compared to the scripture
Not if the 'scripture' is defined by the Quran itself. Whats this problem with size ? Get some help, man.
EVERY example.. The quran would need to fill a whole Library to contain EVERY example... But facts are that the quran is a very small LITTLE book, about the size of only ONE of the Books contained in the Bible
Well, no it doesnt have examples of son committing heinous acts with fathers and then turning black like the bible does, but you see Allah is not a pervert like you.
Thanks for pointing out another Discrepancy because 2848-49 says there are TWO Books for guidance
Ask them "Bring a Book from Allah which is a better guide THAN THESE TWO, I will follow it, if what you say be true!" S. 2848-49
But your less than detailed quran fails to name those TWO Books are..
2 BOOKS ? you see the word 'kitaaban' there, fraudster? I've already answered you here, btw
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=56073#56073
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2 BOOKS ? you see the word 'kitaaban' there
Just another example of how Detailed the quran is NOT...
If you think Muhammads little book is DETAILED and CLEAR why dont you tell us what 2 THINGS are a better guide in that verse.
Are they two Camels, two prophets, two books or maybe two Magicians. You think you have the DETAILS.. So tell us, dont keep it a secret !!!
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Just another example of how Detailed the quran is NOT...
If you think Muhammads little book is DETAILED and CLEAR why dont you tell us what 2 THINGS are a better guide in that verse.
Are they two Camels, two prophets, two books or maybe two Magicians. You think you have the DETAILS.. So tell us, dont keep it a secret !!!
Albion, are you somewhat illiterate? Do you just run a cut and paste job without ever reading what you pasted? I hope Buchanan and Swaggart pay you enough.
Read the verse 28/49
Say "Then bring ye a Book from Allah, which is a better guide than either of them, that I may follow it! (do), if ye are truthful
So its asking YOU to bring a book (not the kind with foreskin obsessions) if YOU'RE truthful. Something better than al-quraan or the signs of Musa.
Its ok man, I understand why you need to clutch at straws. If I was a bible-toter coming against al-quraan, i'd need to employ deception too.
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Salaam Joe,
Albion is fixated on kitaab being the Bible, and tauraat being Torah and injeel being the Gospel. So when he asks how alquran can detail alkitaab since it is so small he is speaking from a Christian perspective.
I realise that, Joe. The problem is, this person only allows al-quraan to speak partially. Al-quraan mentions az-zikr and he immediately jumps on it but when al-quraan denies his viewpoint, he blanks it. This is , in psychological terms, known as 'psychosis'.
Lets say al-kitaab IS the bible for a second. Al-quraan says an-nabiyeen (without exception) were given al-kitaab bil haqq. Does this sound like the bible to you. Was the bible given to Nuh or Ismail ?
Secondly, al-kitaab has been equated with al-hikmah (who am i telling, you POSTED that article )and al-hikmah is partially disclosed in 17/23-39. Does the bible contain this mentioning at all?
Thirdly, al-kitaab is associated with non-textual information such as natural behaviour (6/3 and bending of reality itself (27/40). So this is in no way the the bible.
Fourthly, does the bible call itself the bible? Al-quraan recognises itself but not the bible. People called it the bible and expect al-quraan to conform to thier definition.
Fifthly, as a matter of text, people who believe in hereafter will be ok when called to the quran ALONE (alqurani wahdahu) they turn away in aversion. So is another text mentioned at all here? If you needed to believe in anything else , it would have been mentioned here (17/45-46)
Sixthly, at-tauraat and al-injeel have specific things such as the promise of Allah in 9/111 and the consequence of those who follow the messenger 48/29. Nowhere does torah and gospel have this. Nothing close in fact.
So yes, for sunnis and christians who need a nice little humanised for themselves, they need to import an alien text in just to justify themselves.
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Lets say al-kitaab IS the bible for a second...
With all due respect, ?alkitabu? is Biblical material...
Since the Koran is 99% Biblical material, does this come as a surprise to you...?
There is no mystery here...
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With all due respect, ?alkitabu? is Biblical material...
Since the Koran is 99% Biblical material, does this come as a surprise to you...?
There is no mystery here...
whew...
how many names/attributes of god does the bible have, mr pie?
Thanks for not denying our assertion.... wink
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Salaam Apple Pie,
You did not answer the question. Also having similar material as the Bible does not equate the Bible with alkitaab.
Thanks for not denying our assertion.... wink
You are trying to push things around here. Again, answer the question. You who are pluralistic.
Joe
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Salaam Apple Pie,
You did not answer the question.
My question was in queue first...
Also having similar material as the Bible does not equate the Bible with alkitaab.
Actually, it does.
This is per the classic definitions...
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Salaam,
Since the Koran is 99% Biblical material, does this come as a surprise to you...?
Can you detail how you arrived to such a conclusion?
Joe
Simple.
By studying the classic Arabic....something that 99.9% of Modern Muslims never do...
You can see this first hand with our sura 81 post.
It will be demonstrated that all 29 ayahs from sura 81 come from the Book of Revelation.
There can be no doubt regarding this.
You can see that no one can even begin to challenge the obvious...
Furthermore, if you actually did study the classic Arabic, then you would have converted to Christianity long ago... wink
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at-tauraat and al-injeel have specific things such as the promise of Allah in 9/111 and the consequence of those who follow the messenger 48/29. Nowhere does torah and gospel have this. Nothing close in fact
That's not suprising !!!.. Why would the Bible contain Muhammads self Serving verses
As has been pointed out, over 90% of the Material in Muhammads Little Book was taken from the Bible, Muhammad also added MANY self serving verses like the ones in 9/111 and 48/29. The fact that Muhammad made a CLAIM to FAME doesn't make it an actual fact. Just means Muhammad was on an Ego trip.. So its no surprising that such verses CAN'T be found in the TRUE Scripture in the Bible...
Actually the ORIGINAL unmodified version of 9111 can be found in the Bible. The reason you couldn't find it is because you was looking for Muhammad's twisted version... ( Kill and BE Killed etc etc).. Sorry but you will only be able to find the TRUE ORIGINAL version without Muhammads self serving parts added...
GOD has bought from the believers their lives and their money in exchange for Paradise. Thus, they fight in the cause of GOD, willing to kill and get killed. Such is His truthful pledge in the Torah, the Gospel, and the Quran - and who fulfills His pledge better than GOD? You shall rejoice in making such an exchange. This is the greatest triumph.
The underlined bit, Muhammad took from Corinthians 619-20
Haven't you yet learned that your body is the home of the Holy Spirit God gave you, and that it lives within you? Your own body does not belong to you. For God has bought you with a great price. So use every part of your body to give glory back to God because he owns it.
After using Corithians as his source Material for 9111, Muhammad twisted it and added the self serving part "Kill and BE KILLED" in the cause of Allah (Nice touch !!!)
Corinthians says God bought use with a great price (same in Muhammads version in 9111).
Corithians says, use your body to GIVE GLORY BACK TO GOD, Muhammad changed this to read us your body to KILL and BE KILLED (What is the Glory in that)You will find more examples of where Muhammad got his source Material from in Apple Pies Thread 81
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Muhammad also added MANY Pre-Islam fables and fairytales to his LITTLE Book. Like the pre-Islamic stories about the jinn. These Arab Myths were well known fairytales that existed pre-Islam, but to gain extra followers Muhammad added those FABLES and MYTHS to appeal to a wider audience in the hope of getting more converts
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Peace,
Apple pieFurthermore, if you actually did study the classic Arabic, then you would have converted to Christianity long ago...
Who ever want to revert to christianity shock
The Al-Quran came as an final message to mankind and why are you jews and christians so worried about that.
God is God there is only ONE God and Quran don't forgot about biblical messengers.
People who turn their backs on God and his messenger isn't sane.
Peace
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Apple PieThanks for not denying our assertion....
Oh sorry, I didn't realise that this was a legal proceeding. Here it is for the record
I CATEGORICALLY DENY THAT THE PORNOGRAPHIC, RACIST BOOK YOU CALL 'THE BIBLE' IS THE SOURCE MATERIAL FOR AL-QURAAN.
Now, why don't you, armed with 'gods word' (sic), answer the question?
That's not suprising !!!.. Why would the Bible contain Muhammads self Serving verses
Albion As has been pointed out, over 90% of the Material in Muhammads Little Book was taken from the Bible, Muhammad also added MANY self serving verses like the ones in 9/111 and 48/29. The fact that Muhammad made a CLAIM to FAME doesn't make it an actual fact. Just means Muhammad was on an Ego trip.. So its no surprising that such verses CAN'T be found in the TRUE Scripture in the Bible...
I just asked your brethren to answer ONE question and he can't. Are you guys really so pathetic that you can't rescind your assertions?
Albion, you have been refuted again and again and you still keep coming back? How much is the KKK paying you? It must be one heck of a sweet deal for you to give up your self-respect and keep coming back.
Anyway, its good to see this time that you couldn't show tauraah and injeel are 'torah' and 'gospel'. I couldn't care less what you idiots think of the Quran, really. Its not meant to please people who find sons having sex with fathers then turning black (psychologists have said that this is the basis of white racism and slavery..LOL) as 'god's book'.
JoeYou are trying to push things around here. Again, answer the question. You who are pluralistic.
Joe, I have to tell you. You cannot expect 'people' like Applepie and Albion to play fair. They will never do that because deep down, they know that thier book is crap. I suggest you use your moderating powers and regulate these discussions. If you don't, then what's going to happen is, we're going to end up repeating ourselves endlessly. Albion is so vulgar that he doesn't mind quoting ONE verse and noting that he quoted two. Why did he get away with this? If you guys, Layth included don't do anything about this, we will find this will go on and on and free-minds will never move forward. But thats my opinion on the matter. This is Layth's mulk which he entrusted upon you. I won't complain if you disagree as i'm clearly here of my own accord.
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You can see this first hand with our sura 81 post.
I've noticed that sura 82 also appears to be taken from Revelations, so hope you continue into that sura on your 81 thread
Also when I replied to mrq about sura 9111 coming from Corinthians 619-20, I did a quick check and found that many other verses in sura 9 have there original source in Corinthians.. So maybe you can have a look at sura 9 vs Corinthians when you're finished revealing the true source of Sura 81
here's a few others Sura 9 vs Corinthians
Do they not realize that GOD knows their secrets, and their conspiracies, and that GOD is the Knower of all secrets?
From 1 Co 1425
1Co 1425 the secrets of his heart are made manifest; and so he will fall down on his face and worship God, declaring that God is among you indeed.
O you who believe, the idol worshipers are polluted
From 1 Co 87
1Co 87 Howbeit there is not in all men that knowledge but some, being used until now to the idol, eat as of a thing sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled
They want to put out GOD's light with their mouths, but GOD insists upon perfecting His light, in spite of the disbelievers.
Again from Corinthians
1Co 45 Wherefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness
The day will come when their gold and silver will be heated in the fire of Hell, then used to burn their foreheads, their sides, and their backs "This is what you hoarded for yourselves, so taste what you have hoarded."
Again from Corithians 312-13
1Co 312 But if any man buildeth on the foundation gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 313 each man's work shall be made manifest for the day shall declare it, because it is revealed in fire; and the fire itself shall prove each man's work of what sort it is.
Some of them even pledged "If GOD showered us with His grace, we would be charitable, and would lead a righteous life."
From Corinthians 1510
1Co 1510 But by the grace of God I am what I am and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not found vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
It seems that just about every Sura can be traced to a whole Book in the Bible. So for every Book in the Bible Muhammad devoted one (sometimes 2) chapters.
As you've pointed out Sura 81-82 came from the Book of Revelations, and it looks like Sura 9 came from Corinthians..
Interesting how Muhammad gained his Material to put together his Book after twisting most of it !!!
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Peace,
Apple pieFurthermore, if you actually did study the classic Arabic, then you would have converted to Christianity long ago...
Who ever want to revert to christianity shock
The ones who have taken the time to actually study their book of faith....apparently not you...
The Al-Quran came as an final message to mankind and why are you jews and christians so worried about that.
The Koran is no more than an Arabic "collection" of the previous Jewish and Christian scriptures.
No worries...
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Interesting how Muhammad gained his Material to put together his Book after twisting most of it !!!
LOL you are really insane!!!!!!!!!!!
If you were smart enough you should see that God didn't sent only one scripture.
Lol your bible is so oldfashioned so you'll have to dust it off everytime you will read it even if it is many times a day you will read in it lol
Sis Majidah