THE VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS...ARE NOT MUSLIM AT ALL?
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PEACE, MZ357,
Salaams SB,
True.
But we need research on what is Nassara .
Good work on your part.
Gods Blessings.
I agree that we we now need to come to understand what Nasara means. It is my understanding that, both the Jews (the guided ones), who opposed Jesus, on paper anyway, were--monotheists and the Nasara (the supporters) of Jesus were also monotheists, hence, the Nasara/"Christians", were not originally polytheists. What is your understanding? I'm certain you will bring some good information on this as you did with khinzeerin in the Torah.
Looking forward to your reply.
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PEACE, SWEDEN M.,
Salaam PB,
I'm already aware of this but thanks for the info
Peace
Sis MajidahGood deal; glad to hear it; you right on top of stuff.
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Salaams SB,
Although most Christians believe in one God, they profess that this God is, in fact, three persons God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit (collectively called the Trinity), Christians insist that their faith is monotheistic. Typically, Christian theology holds that these three persons are not independent but are 'homoousios', that is sharing the same essence or substance of divinity. However, some have suggested that Christianity is a form of Tritheism. Moreover, some minority sects of Christianity, such as the Jehovah's Witnesses, deny the idea of Trinity, while others, such as some sects of Mormonism, worship only one god
http//www.monks.org/aloneingod.html
Salaams.
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PEACE, MZ357,
Salaams SB,
you are right they still exist,
http//www.monks.org/aloneingod.html
Salaams.
This is not quite what I meant. The nasara, it appears, were Jews, who supported the mission of Jesus, as opposed to the Jews( the guided ones), who didn't. The link you provided are not the same as the nasara in the time of Jesus. These people/Christians today, are trinitarians
http//www.bardstown.com/~brchrys/homilies/mk060604.htm
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Salaams SB,All,
A Hard Quistion for you!
If we bow to the Arab Kaaba , but also live our lives according to the commands of Allah ,are we among the saved ones or lost ones?
Equaly well we can say If we believe Jesus is son of Allah or Allah,or that a wall in my garden is Allah but we obey every command of Allah , what then?
Gods Peace.
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PEACE, MZ357,
Salaams SB,All,
A Hard Quistion for you!
If we bow to the Arab Kaaba , but also live our lives according to the commands of Allah ,are we among the saved ones or lost ones?
Equaly well we can say If we believe Jesus is son of Allah or Allah,or that a wall in my garden is Allah but we obey every command of Allah , what then?
Gods Peace.
Hell is the consequence for both examples, unless, before they die or see death coming, repent
18103-110. Say "Shall we tell you of those who lose most in respect of their deeds?- "Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life, while they thought that they were acquiring good by their works?" They are those who deny the Ayats of their Lord and the fact of their having to meet Him (in the Hereafter) vain will be their works, nor shall We, on the Day of Judgment, give them any weight. That is their reward, Hell, because they rejected Faith, and took My Signs and My Messengers by way of jest. Say "I am but a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your Allah is one Allah. whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the service of his Lord, admit NO ONE AS PARTNER.
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Salaams Sb,
I think something you said at the start is totally true - from considering what i have come accross whilst researching about this topic.
"It is apparent that, giving partners to Allah/associating things with Allah, is to follow someone else's guidance either exclusive to Allah or in conjuction with Allah. As with muslim, then, the definition of polytheist/mushrik, likewise, is/must be unmistakeable/quite clear , otherwise, how would know if one is a polytheist or not? "
And this of coarse applies equaly well to poeple who follow others for guidance who contradict Allah.
But if they don't contradict Allah then its a different ball game alltogether.
Salaams.
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Salaams SB,
you said"Hell is the consequence for both examples, unless, before they die or see death coming, repent "
I think most people most people may be just labeling themselves rather then practicing what the labels stand for , but is Allah going to look at the label or our actions in this world?
here is what i think worship is - you may agree
"You worship besides Allah only idols, and you only invent falsehood. Verily, those whom you worship besides Allah have no power to give you provision, so seek your provision from Allah (Alone), and worship Him (Alone), and be grateful to Him. To Him (Alone) you will be brought back. 2917
According to the Holy Quran there is a group of persons who have been and are given an equal status with God and have been the object of WORSHIP by people of different ages. Such persons are the religious leaders
They have taken their priests and their monks for their Lords besides God, and also the Masih son of Maryam; whereas they Were commanded not but to worship the One God no god is there but he. Hallowed be He from that which they associate' .931
The people of the Book were commanded to WORSHIP (obey Allah and His command only) but they took their priests and their monks as their Lord and obeyed them blindly.
For the people of the Book if the Divine laws did not forbid something, it was declared forbidden by their leader, they abided by this; similarly things their religious leaders declared permissible were also accepted. Therefore the words in the above verse means the acceptance of the priests' decisions, and considering them to be final and beyond reproach, instead of obeying the laws of God. The Jews and the Christians made this mistake because they did not consult the authority of their respective Divine books for a particular issue, and thus considered all that the priests said to be the will of God.
Worship of Pharaoh
They said" shall we believe in two men like ourselves, and their people to us are WORSHIPPERS. 2347
And We sent Moses with Our Clear (Signs) and an authority manifest To Fir'aun (Pharaoh) and his chiefs, but they followed the command of Fir'aun (Pharaoh), and the command of Fir'aun (Pharaoh) was no right guide. 1196/97
Thus did he make fools of his people and they obeyed him Truly were they a people rebellious (against Allah). 4354
People of Pharaoh did not WORSHIP him but obeyed and followed his command
Salaam.
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PEACE, MZ357,
you said"Hell is the consequence for both examples, unless, before they die or see death coming, repent "
I think most people most people may be just labeling themselves rather then practicing what the labels stand for , but is Allah going to look at the label or our actions in this world?
Our actions and that is why although many label themselves as Muslims, their actions contradict the label. One can only be a Muslim if one serves, that is, takes for his/her guidance, Allah only and alone. We serve Allah by following His Book of Guidance--Al-Quran.
here is what i think worship is - you may agree
Yes, I agree with what you wrote.
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Salaams PB,All,
so is it your opinion that the people who uphold any of the five pillers of Islam are shirkists?
As i think non of these things are in the quran - as taken generally by the muslim majority anyways.
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God Bless.
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PEACE, MZ357,
Salaams PB,All,
so is it your opinion that the people who uphold any of the five pillers of Islam are shirkists?
As i think non of these things are in the quran - as taken generally by the muslim majority anyways.
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God Bless.
As much as it troubles to say it...yes .