DO AYATS 5:5 AND 6:146, PRECLUDE THE PIG AS BEING HARAM...?
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Ra-jah,
PBM LOL! if you would simply use your common sense, you'd realize that I didn't choose the second...Allah did! If khinzeer meant the animal pig, then long ago you, Marie, Tanveer, Jaxal, S. Carrot whoever, would have been able to refute, when taken together, ayats 4160, 55, and 6146 which makes it impossible for khinzerin to mean the animal pig. To date, none of you have been able to explain away ayats 55, 4160, 55, and 6146.
As usual Priest responding with ad hominiems. I have not read the comments of others except Jaxal, but one thing is clear You are misguided. There is nothing to refute at all, you are Just trying to translate and mold the Quranic verses as per your needs, in which you have badly failed.
All the tradtions
All the Historical events
and All the Quranic verses go against your claim.
Now if I say there is God and an aethist says there is none, even after all the arguments, debates and evidences provided we are still in dead lock, it is a stale mate, similarly it is with you.LOL! You accuse me of ad hominem arguement, when, in fact, your entire above comment, in response to a factual statement (none of you have refuted, when taken together, ayats 4160, 55, and 6146, makes the pig being haram absolutely impossible) is classic illustration of ad hominem argumentation.
PBM Al-Quran is the GUIDANCE for mankind, so, where does Allah in His Quran ever mention that the pig was haram for the Jews? Given that Allah didn't it would have to be halal, because He never declared it to be haram, hence, at the time 55 is being revealed, the pig was halal for the Jews, hence, halal for those who follow Al-Quran. I will point out more of your ad hominems.
You are Just showing your ignorance or trying to dodge what I have said Mr. Priest.
Ad hominem. Anyway, please don't confuse me with yourself or others...I don't dodge anything except people's games.
Sure, Al-Quran is GUIDANCE to mankind.
Well, if you really believe/accpet this, which I don't believe you do, then per ayat 6146, Allah tells you exactly what He forbade the Jews to eat and pork was not one of those things. Ayat 4160 tells you that Allah forbade the Jews a food source not because the food was rijsun, but because the Jews had transgressed and, prior to the prohibition, those foods were halal. Ayat 55, very clearly states that, the food of the People of the Book was/is halal for the Muslims and out food is lawful for them. Now, given the absolute fact that Allah never made the pig haram as food for the People of the Book, it was halal for them and mankind in general ( because there is no mention of it being haram to the People of the Book in Al-Quran), hence, the pig is halal for the Muslim. You nor anyone else can make haram something which Allah did not.
where does Allah in His Quran ever mention that the pig was haram for the Jews?
This is a senseless question. Where does Allah tells in Quran there were Dinosaurs?? So applying your following logic
PBM Allah didn't it would have to be halal, because He never declared it to be haram, hence, at the time 55 is being revealed, the pig was halal for the Jews,
Allah didnot mentioned Dinosaur therefore There would have been no Dinosaur, therefore at the time Quran was revealed the Dinosaurs had not yet been existing. Pathetic!
Your ad hominem is showing again lol. How can it be a senseless question, given that ayat 55 discusses food and its halalness relative to the People of the Book, which includes the Jews, and the Muslim?
We are discussing food sources and not the existence of dinosaurs. Dinosaurs, as a food source, is not under discussion...the pig, however, is. The dinosaurs, had they been around at the time of the Jews, many would have been haram to eat, because they had claws. However, for mankind in general they would have been halal then and now lol. Anyway, please stay focused, thanks.
PBM hence, halal for those who follow Al-Quran.
No, read the following verses
I have read those ayats and you don't understand them, hence, you continue to mistranslate khinzeerin to mean the pig. If khinzeerin means pig, then you S. Carrot, Tanveer, Jaxal, Marie, whoever, would be able to explain away... ayats 4160, 55, and 6146, which, when taken together, destroys any notion that khinzeerin can be translated as the animal pig. You people have not refuted the 4160/55/6146 argument, but only continue to talk around it, avoid it, deny it, but not at all refuted it. Understand this, your continuing to post mistranslated ayats is not a refutation of my argument. The only way to refute my argument is to prove that the pig, prior to Al-Quran, was haram to the mankind in general and the Jews in specific, otherwise, you are just blowing smoke.
The only ones who fabricate false doctrines are those who do not believe in GOD's revelations; they are the real liars.
I suggest that you spend the next few days contemplating the above ayat, because it directly pertains to you and Jaxal.
PBM Ra-jah, pack it up. There simply is no way to overcome ayats 4150, 55, and 6146, period. If there were, Marie, S. Carrot or Tanveer, would have done so.
I have shown it to you that even if except your theory still Pig is not HALAL simply because the verses you quoted talk about past and at the most they say Food of Jews is lawful to you and yours to Jews but there are execptions which include "Khanzeer" the fact you cannot deny. As Jaxal has Said they all did and I take his words for that. I don't think so any air is left in your claim, but if anyone else who thinks your claim is correct and can come up with any thing new, we can discuss it. But before doing that please read the entire posts.
LOL! your "exception"...constitutes a contradiction and Allah does not contradict Himself...ever. Until you can prove that, prior to Al-Quran, the pig was haram, then, ayat 55 by itself, destroys your argument. Contemplate the following ayat
16116 But say not - for any false thing that your tongues may put forth,- "This is lawful, and this is forbidden," so as to ascribe false things to Allah. For those who ascribe false things to Allah, will never prosper
Prove to us all where the pig was ever haram, prior (ostensibly) to the advent of Al-Quran. Good luck. wink
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Elena wrote
Peace Raj-ah,
Raj-ah wrote
You just did not read the complete post sorry for you and your comments.I understand you are sorry for me if you think I didn't read properly, or I didn't pay enough attention or I am a bad reader or bad at English, etc, I understand that, but why are you sorry for my comments?
Well I think your english is far better then mine. Why I felt sorry for your comments is because; this is what One Omer Ali wrote
Hundreds of millions eat pork, why doesn?t, at least a few, get sick and/or die from it, if it is unhealthy?
He is asking why not at least few get sick or die from it?
I showed him evidence that not only Few but there are Hundred of cases.
But in the end I wroteAnother list of diseases and deaths related with pork can be given; but that is not the point other animals can cause similar diseases too.
That it is not only the pig, who can cause this disease other animals can also cause this and this is not the point.
Therefore if Millions eat Pig and they don't die or get sick that does not make any point, as Millions drink vine but not all die or get sick by Drinking vine.
But offcourse drinking excessive vine is prohibited in our religon so many of us Just don't drink, shriah goes one step further and even Nips the evil in Bud by banning it. Shariah can be right or wrong but the basic is there.
Some Scholars says that Pig is HAram but Quran has not mentioned the fat of PIg therefore it is HALAL, now that is childish.
Similarly the Priest's attempt to bring forward a contradiction in Quran is, I am sorry to say CHILDISH.
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For Last and Final Time Dear Priest on this Topic until and unless you have anything new.
Well, if you really believe/accpet this, which I don't believe you do, then per ayat 6146, Allah tells you exactly what He forbade the Jews to eat and pork was not one of those things.
OK; I already said Let us take your argument to be true for sake of discussion. So 6146 tells us that in Past; Jews were not forbidden to eat pork, Let us agree for sake of discussion.
(But to agree with this we have to deny Deutronomy, Leviticus, several Historical facts, all the translators, ignore the languages etc. WOW)Ayat 55, very clearly states that, the food of the People of the Book was/is halal for the Muslims and our food is lawful for them.
Ok; There food is Halal for Us and ours to them. So it means if Pig was Halal to them it also becomes Halal for Us, so far your logic has some weight, BUT THEN THERE ARE LIMITATIONS IN OUR FOODS FOR WHICH I HAVE QUOTED DIFFERENT VERSES WHICH INCLUDE PIG, therfore if PIG becomes Prohibited for MUSLIMS it also becomes Prohibited for JEWS, we have to follow the Instructions.
Your logic and argument is lame, Quran also doesnot mention the Prohibition for Jews of animals other than the following Now read it carefully6146 And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal having claws, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones
Now if we take your Childish argument then Quran does not mention for Jews prohibition of animals that die of themselves, blood, and animals dedicated to other Than God.
Therfore according to you we should eat and drink blood becuase it was Lawful for Jews and the food of Jews has been made LAw ful for us, BUT HERE YOU FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT THAT QURAN ALSO SAYS THIS, IN ADDITION TO WHAT HAS BEEN SAIDHe only prohibits for you the eating of animals that die of themselves (without human interference), blood, the meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than GOD. If one is forced (to eat these), without being malicious or deliberate, he incurs no sin. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
AND WE FIND NO CONTRADICTION IN WORDS OF ALLAH ALMIGHTY the LORD OF ABRAHAM, MOSES, RAM, JESUS, MUHAMMAD, MINE AND YOURS.
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Hi Raj-ah,
Sorry, I should have explained it more clearly.
6.145 says ?lahma khinzeerin fa-innahu rijsun?
If ?khinzeerin? here means pig then the verse says that pig is not allowed because it is foul.
I do not think God is lying, so the pig?s meat must be worse than any other meat, and therefore forbidden.To me foul means it is bad in some way, and if it concerns food, then the food that is bad must have some negative effect on the human body. And if one type of food is singled out, then this food must be worse than any other food. Otherwise, why specifically mention that particular food?
As there is no proof what so ever, that people eating pork is worse off than people eating other meat, rather the opposite, there is something wrong in this picture. It does not make sense.To my mind all meat from animals are detrimental to our health, but that is another story.
Regds
Ali Omar
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SaLaM Ali
6.145 says ?lahma khinzeerin fa-innahu rijsun?
If ?khinzeerin? here means pig then the verse says that pig is not allowed because it is foul.
I do not think God is lying, so the pig?s meat must be worse than any other meat, and therefore forbidden.Yes, you are finally getting it.
As there is no proof what so ever, that people eating pork is worse off than people eating other meat
I on occasion smoke weed. I know people who smoke weed on a regular basis. But if you came across them they wouldnt have an extra arm growing outta their body or an extra eye. The reason pork is foul is becoz pig eats its own crap and human crap.
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For Last and Final Time Dear Priest on this Topic until and unless you have anything new.
I'm not going to bring anything "new". I will continue to bring the Quranic facts, period. Falsehood must tbe continualy renewed.
OK; I already said Let us take your argument to be true for sake of discussion. So 6146 tells us that in Past; Jews were not forbidden to eat pork, Let us agree for sake of discussion. (But to agree with this we have to deny Deutronomy, Leviticus, several Historical facts, all the translators, ignore the languages etc. WOW)
I asked you before is...Al-Quran the Guidance of mankind or is the Torah the Guidance for mankind?
You replied "Sure, Al-Quran is GUIDANCE to mankind" ( see thread DO AYATS 55 AND 6146, PRECLUDE THE PIG AS BEING HARAM...? post Fri Oct 14, 2005 649 am ). So, why are you bringing up the Torah again?
446 Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say "We hear and we disobey"; and "Hear what is not Heard"; and "Ra'ina"; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said "What hear and we obey"; and "Do hear"; and "Do look at us"; it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allah hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe.
541 O Messenger. let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places...
Now, given that Al-Quran is the Guidance for mankind and not the Torah, the things you listed i.e. "Deutronomy, Leviticus, several Historical facts", are not relevent. In addition, ayats 446 and 541 makes it clear the Torah cannot be trusted due to tampering. Ayat 6146, proves the Torah was tampered with, at least it parts of it translation anyway.
PBM Ayat 55, very clearly states that, the food of the People of the Book was/is halal for the Muslims and our food is lawful for them.
Ok; There food is Halal for Us and ours to them. So it means if Pig was Halal to them it also becomes Halal for Us, so far your logic has some weight,
Some weight?!
BUT THEN THERE ARE LIMITATIONS IN OUR FOODS FOR WHICH I HAVE QUOTED DIFFERENT VERSES WHICH INCLUDE PIG, therfore if PIG becomes Prohibited for MUSLIMS it also becomes Prohibited for JEWS, we have to follow the Instructions
.These "limitations" which you Tanveer, S.Carrot, Marie, and some others continue to argue, are what you people claim and not what Allah claims and they contradict Allah's Quran. Marie, for example, knows this and that is why she continues to forward the "grammar" argument which has also failed. By your logic, and you've said this, something must be wrong with the pig to make it haram, however, where does Allah, per his Quran, mention, prior to the advent of Al-Quran, that the pig is haram? If it is harmful to those who were given Al-Quran, then it must have been harmful for those prior to the advent of Al-Quran, yet, Allah, per ayat 6146, states exactly/indisputably, what He made haram to a party of those who preceded the advent of Al-Quran and the pig is not found among those haram animals.
Your logic and argument is lame, Quran also doesnot mention the Prohibition for Jews of animals other than the following Now read it carefully.
6146 And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal having claws, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones
LOL! what, exactly, is the point you struggling to make? What am I supposed to be "reading carefully"? Read the ayat yourself and tell me how can the pig be represented in what Allah made haram? LOL! it is not my that logic is lame, the problem is, a failure on your part to use logic!
Now if we take your Childish argument then Quran does not mention for Jews prohibition of animals that die of themselves, blood, and animals dedicated to other Than God. Therfore according to you we should eat and drink blood becuase it was Lawful for Jews and the food of Jews has been made LAw ful for us, BUT HERE YOU FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT THAT QURAN ALSO SAYS THIS, IN ADDITION TO WHAT HAS BEEN SAID
The Jews, having received a Message--the Torah, would have known not to eat animals that die of themselves, blood, and animals dedicated to other than God. This information/guidance/Al-Quran, is for the masses of non- Jewish humanity in general, and, specifically, to the people to whom no warner had previously come--the people of the Last Prophet. You will notice that, the ayat 53 for example, doesn't mention Jews, hence, the information in that ayat is for non-Jewish humanity. Regardless, if the pig was haram, either in part or whole, then in ayat 6146 Allah misspoke, because in that ayat He makes haram to Jew animals with claws and pigs don't have claws, hence, the pig could not have been haram to them or those who come after them.
AND WE FIND NO CONTRADICTION IN WORDS OF ALLAH ALMIGHTY the LORD OF ABRAHAM, MOSES, RAM, JESUS, MUHAMMAD, MINE AND YOURS
.Who is Ram?? Where is this individual mentioned in Al-Quran? Anyway, you are correct, there are no contradictions in Allah's Words. The contradictions are in your words which you then assign to Allah. Tell me...was the pig haram for Abraham? If so, please post the ayat where Allah states that, thanks.
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I on occasion smoke weed.
LOL!!x10!! THIS EXPLAINS...EVERYTHING! lol lol lol
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PEACE, ALI OMAR,
6.145 says ?lahma khinzeerin fa-innahu rijsun?
If ?khinzeerin? here means pig then the verse says that pig is not allowed because it is foul. I do not think God is lying, so the pig?s meat must be worse than any other meat, and therefore forbidden.
To me foul means it is bad in some way, and if it concerns food, then the food that is bad must have some negative effect on the human body. And if one type of food is singled out, then this food must be worse than any other food. Otherwise, why specifically mention that particular food?
As there is no proof what so ever, that people eating pork is worse off than people eating other meat, rather the opposite, there is something wrong in this picture. It does not make sense.Of course it makes no sense and that is why Marie, for example, abandoned this silly line of thought. Anyway, nothing is wrong with your Allah given common sense/logic...at least on this topic anyway
Peace.
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lol x10!! This explains everything! lol
Oh man! That's priceless. lol
Joe
LOL!!! Absolutely priceless!!! I've been laughing non-stop for the past 15mins. It's so true that, if you let some people just ramble on long enough and not interrupt them, they will invariably tell on themselves--in his case--an active addict! How does that saying go?..."it is better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt". Ba ha ha ha ha!! lol And he continually calls me misguided, what a hoot he is! lol
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"it is better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt"
You dont even have to open your mouth. You have made that pretty clear to everyone a long time ago http//www.geocities.com/bigjaxal/s1.gif
Jaxal wrote
I on occasion smoke weed.
Nuff said. lol
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Allah made an entire category/species of animals haram to the Jews i.e. those with claws. Now, given the very fundamental fact/reality that pigs do not have claws, absolutely precludes their species of animals as being one of the species of haram animals.
Your argument that pig's don't have claws is somewhat in doubt when you read about anatomical texts on pig feet.
http//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=482919&dopt=Abstract
They actually have two extra digits that don't quite touch the ground which are dew claws (small claws).
http//www.drdino.com/articles.php?spec=96
http//evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/lines/IIAanatomy.shtml
Cattle also have remnant digits but are much less developed (?visible at all) than the pig which has visible vestiges.
The accessory, or dew, claws have short conical horn capsules. Those of the pig are quite well developed.
http//137.222.110.150/calnet/Lfoot/page3.htm
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Salam PB,
PBM Ayat 55, very clearly states that, the food of the People of the Book was/is halal for the Muslims and our food is lawful for them.
Khi- I can easily refute that. The verse does NOT however say that ALL the food of the people of the book is halal. I can give you an example from the Quran. Consider this verse
The Jews even said, "GOD's hand is tied down!" ...
Notice GOD saying "the Jews said" but we know there are righteous Jews too even today who do NOT claim this. Does it mean GOD is wrong or does it show that the grammatical construct in Arabic does NOT mean "the whole of the jews" but a particular portion of th whole? Id say the latter one.
Btw pig was NEVER halal for the people of the book and even evangelists today like Dr. Kent Hovind are against the eating of pork and use the Bible to support that prohibtion. GOD Bless! -
PEACE, IDMKHIZAR,
Khi- I can easily refute that. The verse does NOT however say that ALL the food of the people of the book is halal. I can give you an example from the Quran. Consider this verse
The Jews even said, "GOD's hand is tied down!" ...
Notice GOD saying "the Jews said" but we know there are righteous Jews too even today who do NOT claim this. Does it mean GOD is wrong or does it show that the grammatical construct in Arabic does NOT mean "the whole of the jews" but a particular portion of th whole? Id say the latter one.Sorry, but your analogy fails and you did not refute my claim, here's why. It is NOT necessary for the ayat to mention all the foods are halal, just the ones which are not. For the pig to be haram to the Jews/those who came before Al-Quran, you/we are required to have the ayat which says that the pig was haram to the Jews/those who came before Al-Quran, otherwise, we would be in violation of ayat 16116--making somethig haram which Allah did not definitively state was/is haram. So, please post the ayat where Allah says that the pig was haram to the Jews/those who came before Al-Quran.
Btw pig was NEVER halal for the people of the book and even evangelists today like Dr. Kent Hovind are against the eating of pork and use the Bible to support that prohibtion. GOD Bless!
If the pig was not halal for the People of the Book, then, Allah, would have stated that in Al-Quran, but He did not. He DEFINITIVELY made haram to the Jews/a people who came before Al-Quran, ALL animals with CLAWS and the fat of two animals--the sheep and the oxen. If the evangelists are against eating pork, it is not as a result of the command of Allah, but as a result of their own desire and superstition.
Peace.
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PEACE, TRUTH,
PRIEST_BOKMEI Allah made an entire category/species of animals haram to the Jews i.e. those with claws. Now, given the very fundamental fact/reality that pigs do not have claws, absolutely precludes their species of animals as being one of the species of haram animals.
Your argument that pig's don't have claws is somewhat in doubt when you read about anatomical texts on pig feet.
Truth, please live up to your user name, o.k.? Pigs have hooves NOT claws and any grade school child will tell you that. Don't you think that Allah knows the difference between a hoof and a claw?? Come on, don't sacrifice Al-Quran to maintain your superstitious notions.
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Sorry, but your analogy fails and you did not refute my claim, here's why. It is NOT necessary for the ayat to mention all the foods are halal, just the ones which are not. For the pig to be haram to the Jews/those who came before Al-Quran, you/we are required to have the ayat which says that the pig was haram to the Jews/those who came before Al-Quran, otherwise, we would be in violation of ayat 16116--making somethig haram which Allah did not definitively state was/is haram. So, please post the ayat where Allah says that the pig was haram to the Jews/those who came before Al-Quran.
why you asking us to prove it, how anbout you go and ask a jew?
you are really confused man, but I tell ya, you are funny, thanks for the laugh lol
Btw pig was NEVER halal for the people of the book and even evangelists today like Dr. Kent Hovind are against the eating of pork and use the Bible to support that prohibtion. GOD Bless!
If the pig was not halal for the People of the Book, then, Allah, would have stated that in Al-Quran, but He did not. He DEFINITIVELY made haram to the Jews/a people who came before Al-Quran, ALL animals with CLAWS and the fat of two animals--the sheep and the oxen. If the evangelists are against eating pork, it is not as a result of the command of Allah, but as a result of their own desire and superstition.
Peace.confusion, confusion
very clear you are,
those food mentioned were allowed, then they become forbidden as a punishment to their arrogance that you simulate really good
now we need an explanation in how you follow the order of Allah in the Quran to BELIEVE IN THE PEVIOUS BOOKS SENT BY HIM?
By Allah, I'm going to corner you using the Quran lol
peace
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Sorry, but your analogy fails and you did not refute my claim, here's why. It is NOT necessary for the ayat to mention all the foods are halal, just the ones which are not. For the pig to be haram to the Jews/those who came before Al-Quran, you/we are required to have the ayat which says that the pig was haram to the Jews/those who came before Al-Quran, otherwise, we would be in violation of ayat 16116--making somethig haram which Allah did not definitively state was/is haram. So, please post the ayat where Allah says that the pig was haram to the Jews/those who came before Al-Quran.
why you asking us to prove it, how anbout you go and ask a jew?
What?, does a Jew no more than Allah? My God, you are simply out of touch. lol
you are really confused man, but I tell ya, you are funny, thanks for the laugh
Please don't project your character defects on to me. The only confused and superstitious here is you. You cannot, via Al-Quran, prove any of the nonsense you are spouting lol
Btw pig was NEVER halal for the people of the book and even evangelists today like Dr. Kent Hovind are against the eating of pork and use the Bible to support that prohibtion. GOD Bless!
If the pig was not halal for the People of the Book, then, Allah, would have stated that in Al-Quran, but He did not. He DEFINITIVELY made haram to the Jews/a people who came before Al-Quran, ALL animals with CLAWS and the fat of two animals--the sheep and the oxen. If the evangelists are against eating pork, it is not as a result of the command of Allah, but as a result of their own desire and superstition.
Peace.confusion, confusion
very clear you are,
Please don't project your character defects on to me. The only confused and superstitious here is you. You cannot, via Al-Quran, prove any of the nonsense you are spouting lol
those food mentioned were allowed, then they become forbidden as a punishment to their arrogance that you simulate really good
Do you KNOW for a fact what foods were made haram to the Jews, do you, smart boy? If so, go to Al-Quran and show us. Where, in Al-Quran, does Allah say that the pig was haram to the Jews?
now we need an explanation in how you follow the order of Allah in the Quran to BELIEVE IN THE PEVIOUS BOOKS SENT BY HIM?
By Allah, I'm going to corner you using the Quran lol
LOL!!You are truly out of you mind rotfl
Your above ad hominem comments...are not a refutation of my analysis nor does it advance your own analysis. The only thing you've exposed is that, you are determined to support SUPERSTITION in derogation of Allah's Quran and Truth. Allah, did not tell you to take any of the previous Books for your Guidance along with Al-Quran, and, if you maintain that He does, then you are a liar, mate. Again, the corrupted/doubtful Torah, claims that animals with undivided hoofs were haram, however, Al-Quran contradicts that, in that, it says that only animals with claws were haram to the Jews. Now, which Book do you believe has the correct account? Don't you think Allah knows the difference between a hoof and a claw, though apparently, you and Marie do not? lol
Your "argument" has be thoroughly dismantled. If you wish to serve your gods--SUPERSTITION and CONJECTURE, then that is fine by me. bravo
Oh, yeah and...stop being a...SNEAK.
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My analysis that PGM is not a muslim and just pretending to be, I met a few of those online but always exposed them
I may be wrong, but I will see if he "the non arabic speaker truely understands the arabic words"
now if he kept ranting about the same subject, he has to be one or the other
- He is obssessed with pigs
- He is faking his islam and just to stir the air between muslims