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    KGB
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    "Layth" I accept his claim to messengership. I do not however accept his footnote about 381 or the issue of the 2 verses in sura 9 or alot of the other research he came-up with. Link http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2836&highlight=

    Allah Taala has given me excellent memory. Put some extra memory slots in my brian.

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      KGB
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      Salaam Alleikum MQuran,

      There really isn't a movement without this guy, KGB.

      ME. There is no me. My views always based on my understanding of Qur'an and very careful analysis.

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        mquran
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        Salaam KGB,

        'this guy' refers to 'ar-rasool', not to you, sorry. There isn't an islamic movement without ar-rasool.

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          TheNabi
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          Salaam,

          The only way to move is to have a leader, one who fulfils the role of the messenger.

          I think I agree with you. Someone or some people must fill the shoes. It would be a great help from Allah.

          Joe

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            mquran
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            Salaam Joe,

            I think I agree with you. Someone or some people must fill the shoes. It would be a great help from Allah.

            Help from Allah's part of it. 40/51 tells us Allah helps his messengers and those who believe and 3/160 tells us that with help of Allah comes victory. So you're already 'the nabi', when are you going to be 'ar-rasool' as well

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              zenje
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              Thanks for pointing that out KGB, I made a mistake. oops

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                mquran
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                What is worth also noting is that the prophecy in 4410-14 speaks of the messenger being well educated/clearly educated, which matches the aspect of Dr. Khalifa possibly being the only messenger claimant in history who was holding a doctorate degree (messengers have always been called magician, poet, soothsayer, crazy but never well educated which is a further clue that this messenger of 4414 has to do with the field of education and the title he would hold).
                <----- UNBELIEVABLE.

                44/10-14 has nothing to do with doctorates because al-quraan never mentions formal education. All messengers came with clarifications.

                Very, very shocking indeed.

                Well, DR Khalifa also deleted 2 verses. I wonder if that is part of his PHD or his messengership.

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                  el-Aziz
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                  Dear Mahdi...

                  ...you have left out some crucial parts as for the definition of a sect.

                  Besides, free-minds is a web page where people gets to express their thoughts on God mostly from a view of the qur'an - thus I can't see how it fits the definition of a solid group. Do you?

                  regards,
                  S

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                    unknownuser
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                    Peace Fam,

                    Mehdi my friend, you seem to be in a state of limbo and have some confusions and doubt about what you should be believing and doing. And instead of discussing and asking questions, you throw around accusations and initiate senseless threads. I know this will come off as an attack, but I think you have some growing up to do.

                    Two things that make for a sect are......

                    1). Uniform rules and views that all members must share (if they are to be a part of this sect).

                    And..

                    2). Spiritual Leader(s) to direct this sect in a certain direction.

                    Free-minds has neither of these. For crying out loud Mehdi, free-minds is a Discussion Board.......A DISCUSSION BOARD. How on earth can anyone call a discussion board/forum a sect??!!

                    By the way, it is my opinion that you should drop the obnoxious sarcasm routine. People who do this do so due to insecurities and in hopes of getting in the heads of those they are debating against. It is also done when they don't have an answer to something presented to them.

                    One last thing, for future reference, if you are going to quote me I ask that you either quote everything I said and not chop it up in bits and pieces (so people can get the full picture of my position) or provide a link to the thread in which the quote appears so others can go and see ALL that was said by the person quoted and be able to place it in proper context. )

                    That's only fair, is it not?

                    One,
                    Damon.

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                      neo
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                      not a bad message mind you.. but still a message with it's own agenda...

                      peace

                      Has there ever been a message without an agenda? Isn't an 'agenda' a defining part of a message?

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                        unknownuser
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                        Peace all,

                        Has there ever been a message without an agenda? Isn't an 'agenda' a defining part of a message?

                        I agree with this. Not only that, but our friend M_Mehdi seems to not realize that no matter what position or views people may have, others who disagree or oppose their views will always come up with a label to stick on them. Usually, it's not a very friendly label, but a label none-the-less.

                        One,
                        Damon.

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                          mquran
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                          Salaamun alaikum Damon,

                          One last thing, for future reference, if you are going to quote me I ask that you either quote everything I said and not chop it up in bits and pieces (so people can get the full picture of my position) or provide a link to the thread in which the quote appears so others can go and see ALL that was said by the person quoted and be able to place it in proper context.

                          That's only fair, is it not?

                          Very fair. The sad truth is, decontextualisation is the tool of those who refuse to address questions directly. Those people are here for egotistical reasons. Loudness, brashness and obnoxiousness are their traits.

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                            savage_carrot
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                            Peace mq,

                            The sad truth is, decontextualisation is the tool of those who refuse to address questions directly. Those people are here for egotistical reasons. Loudness, brashness and obnoxiousness are their traits.

                            I've seen sometimes its lack of comprehension, whether deliberate/feigned or incapacity I do not know...but I have to agree, those three traits are very revealing.

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                              TheNabi
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                              Salaam,

                              Those traits annoy me.

                              Joe

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                                KGB
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                                Salaam Alleikum MQuran

                                I disagree with you and Joe on that Messanger is required prerequisite to implement the simple laws of Allah Taala, respecfully. More detailed reply soon inshaAllah.

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                                  mquran
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                                  Salaamun alaikum KGB,

                                  I disagree with you and Joe on that Messanger is required prerequisite to implement the simple laws of Allah Taala, respecfully. More detailed reply soon inshaAllah.

                                  Ok. I have the theory that indeed we are talking about the same thing, but we're talking PAST one another.

                                  Would u agree that we need to practise from the book in order to get God's help, for example?

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                                    mquran
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                                    I'm happy to see that my lil mustard seed has grown into so much mustard that all the weenies of the board felt like dipping themselves into it.

                                    i kid... i kid... please don't put your undies in a bunch on my account.. as some of you know i started work again this week.. insha-Allah i Will come and address every question posted to me in a deliberate and percise manner... this weekend..

                                    As predicted very correctly by Damon
                                    Damon Mehdi my friend, you seem to be in a state of limbo and have some confusions and doubt about what you should be believing and doing. And instead of discussing and asking questions, you throw around accusations and initiate senseless threads. I know this will come off as an attack, but I think you have some growing up to do

                                    If we think about it, future students of al-quraan will be coming here and instead of finding proper , well-ordered discussion, they will find this fecal matter being posted. That's very sad indeed.

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                                      Jaxal
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                                      SaLaM Mehdi

                                      we will get serious this weekend on this issue..

                                      So were you kidding up till now wink

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                                        KGB
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                                        Salaam Alleikum MQuran

                                        Would u agree that we need to practise from the book in order to get God's help, for example?

                                        Yes I do believe that Allah will provide help if we start following Qur'an.

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                                          Jaxal
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                                          SaLaM KGB

                                          Yes I do believe that Allah will provide help if we start following Qur'an.

                                          Allah will give us help if we ask for it. NOT if we follow the Quran. I know christians and jews who dont follow the Quran and yet God helps them wink

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