How was adam sent to earth?
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SaLaM PM
Garden is an english translation word. The arabic word is Jannah. I dont know how to get the arabic text of the Quran so i will give you the transliteration, ok?
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Waya adamu oskun anta wazawjuka aljannata fakula min haythu shi/tuma wala taqraba hathihi alshshajarata fatakoona mina alththalimeena
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Fawaswasa lahuma alshshaytanu liyubdiya lahuma ma wooriya AAanhuma min saw-atihima waqala ma nahakuma rabbukuma AAan hathihi alshshajarati illa an takoona malakayni aw takoona mina alkhalideena
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Waqasamahuma innee lakuma lamina alnnasiheena
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Fadallahuma bighuroorin falamma thaqa alshshajarata badat lahuma saw-atuhuma watafiqa yakhsifani AAalayhima min waraqi aljannati wanadahuma rabbuhuma alam anhakuma AAan tilkuma alshshajarati waaqul lakuma inna alshshaytana lakuma AAaduwwun mubeenun
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Qala rabbana thalamna anfusana wa-in lam taghfir lana watarhamna lanakoonanna mina alkhasireena
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Qala ihbitoo baAAdukum libaAAdin AAaduwwun walakum fee al-ardi mustaqarrun wamataAAun ila heenin
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Qala feeha tahyawna wafeeha tamootoona waminha tukhrajoona
Jannah means paradise and Ard means Earth. I hope you understand now.
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hmm,may be like i said Jannah was the state of the garden adam resided initially where he had all he wanted such as water, food, shelter etc
propbly the garden that adam lived in initially was as good as the paradise as he didnt have to fend for his needs(food, shelter, etc) as everything was made (readly) available by God. but once he disobeyed God, God took out the special privileges and adam would have to embark on the struggle to take care of his own livelihood.This being my understanding of it.
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Hi Jaxal,
Am not saying the earth and heaven mean the same places.
but since Allah says, He created man on earthAl-Baqara (The Cow)
230 Behold, thy Lord said to the angels "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said "I know what ye know not."if God meanT Paradise here
719 "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and enjoy (its good things) as ye wish but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."
He propably means 'Paradise like' state of earth - The Garden where Adam resided.
say when u have all that u want and feel extremely happy, dont u say u feel like u r in heaven?
so, propably a figure of speech.coz, if Adam was created in heaven and sent down to earth, there would, i guess, be a more clearer description.
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SaLaM PM
say when u have all that u want and feel extremely happy, dont u say u feel like u r in heaven?
Keyword being - FEEL. It is, as you said, a figure of spech. Also in verse , you will see God giving the command 'descend/go down' which implies they were somewhere higher (paradise/jannah) and were then sent down (earth/ard)
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hI Jaxal,
Also in verse , you will see God giving the command 'descend/go down' which implies they were somewhere higher (paradise/jannah) and were then sent down (earth/ard)
descend/go down- Cant that be a figure of speech as well?
As in ,no more free food and free elation for u, go down to a difficult world/ state where u would have to fend for ur own needs! -
Salaam,
Jannah can be paradise or garden. The word ihbitoo can mean go down or it can mean, be low or degraded. I take it to mean that adam/mankind are to be low because of what they have done, to decend from their higher state to a lower one. Now we must scale the heights again.
Joe
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Hi Nabi,
yeah, this is also what i have been trying to say.
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SaLaM PM and Joe
Well, very intersting point of view. Ok how about this. In the Quran God uses Adam and Nas. Adam for .. well adam. Married guy, single entity. Then there is Nas. Nas is mankind. If what you say is true, that adam/mankind is same thing, then why didnt God use Nas and rather Adam.? And also keeping in mind that God says the scripture is clear. So if God wanted to say adam, God would say adam. If God wanted to say mankind, God would say Nas.
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Hey Jaxal,
If what you say is true, that adam/mankind is same thing, then why didnt God use Nas and rather Adam.? .
wasnt Adam the first of mankind?
Didnt the rest of mankind stem from him?
and when Allah was conversing with Adam in those verses, he was the only mankind. so, he represented mankind, i'd think. -
SaLaM PM and Joe
PM God also asked the angels to bow down to adam. Do you think you are worth that? I dont think i am. So i dont think 'speaking to adam' = 'speaking to mankind'. The verses i showed you cleary says that at one point Adam was in Jannah/paradise and then he was sent down/degraded/lowered to Ard/Earth. Dont you think that it is remotely possible that Adam, at some point, was NOT on this planet AFTER his creation? I hope you understand.
The word ihbitoo can mean go down or it can mean, be low or degraded
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The word ihbitoo can mean go down or it can mean, be low or degraded
Isnt there a possibility that Adam was a single entitiy. That adam did eat the forbidden fruit. And Adam was sent down. From Adam we all came and are here becoz of Adam. As you said, we are bound to his pattern.
Leaving that aside, Joe can you explain to me the verses 7.19 - 7.25 using your understanding of Adam? Im interested to hear it.
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Salaam,
Sure adam could be a single entity, but that's not my belief. Adam/Mankind are bound to eat the fruit , recieve the wahi to be guided aright. Error is our lot and Allah has bestowed mercy upon Himself for our benefit. The shame or perhaps the bane of our race is such suggestive influence .
Joe
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Salaam!
If Adam was in "Paradise" up there far away and he ate the forbidden fruit and we ended up here because of that then that's Adams fault not ours so why should we be all here and punished for it. It doesn't make sense for God to punish our souls by sending us to Earth with Adam. With that kind of reasoning I'm inclined to believe at the moment that Adam was a man on Earth who had Paradise all around him and once he broke Gods command by letting the "hidden whisper"(shaitaan) take over his mentality the war started between Mankind controlling this whisper and trying to elevate to our original status which Adam was before he broke Gods command.
I don't know that's my theory at the moment I'll have to study Adam much more as like someone said its a metaphore so patience and God's guidance are needed to understand this thoroughly.
PEACE
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Hi Nabi,
I do not believe in heaven and hell.
thats a surprise. )
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Jaxal
The word "Janna" in the Koran does not necessarily mean the Paradise of the Afterlife. The root word is 'jeem' 'noun' 'noun', which actually means a covering or sheath ( mask )if you will. The word can mean any garden or forested area which covers the earth. The plural is "jannat" ( or in some cases 'jinan' ) meaning gardens or wooded fields which cover the earth or 'mask' it, so to speak.
The word 'majnoon' is derived from it. When we say that a person is 'majnoon', this means his mind has been masked or veiled, and he can't think properly.I would advise you to read the following
6141 / 1791 / and especially, 18 32-40.You will find that the word "janna" in those verses does not mean the Paradise of the Afterlife.
In my earlier reply, I stated that the Janna where Adam lived is here on Earth. There is a recent scientific theory that the first humans emerged from the thick tropical jungles of Africa and Amazonia. The Koran describes it as a paradise, because humans had all that they needed food, water, shelter from the sun, etc... They lived in these jungles and never knew thirst or hunger, cold or heat.
The word Adam is derived from the root "alif" , "dal" , "meem". ( Please refer to my post on page one ). The idea is that Adam was the name of the first race of humans ( Homo Sapiens ) who were intelligent enough to be God's vicegerents on Earth (Khalifa). This happened after eons of evolution.
The reason for the confusion is that we read the word "ard" and "ahbitoo" together in the verses.
This is how I see it
When Adam ( the race ) was in the "Janna", their number was not very great. After they disobeyed God and were banished, we see the word "ard" was used. This is to denote that the rest of the Earth - the whole Earth- will be their domain, and the domain of all their descendents ( generations ) until the end of time.
Humans began to spread and multiply over vast expanses of the planet. They were no longer confined to the "janna" . This is why God used the word "ard". I understand why you were a bit confused.The "Janna" is part of the Earth, ultimately. So if they were in this paradise, then they were definately on Earth. But the opposite doesn't hold. ( If they were on the Earth -ard- somewhere, then that doesn't mean that they were necessarily in the "Janna"
You getting this so far? winkSo they spread and scattered, and were now forced to cultivate, hunt for food, and build shelters against the natural forces.
This is what's meant by the word "ahbitoo". As member "Nabi" pointed out.
It means to move from a place of confort or freedom, to a place of slavery or hardship. ( degradation ). Please read 261 and you'll understand.As for the difference between Adam and Nas
Adam was the first race of homogenous, dark-skinned humans, which emerged from the Primordial Jungles. After they spread all over the Earth, they began to evolve into different 'races' and colors, depending on the climate and areas they settled in. Hence they became 'Nas' ( the various peoples of the Earth). I looked up the root for "nas" and I found a relation between it and "noon" "waw" "sin". which means "confusion" or "mix- up" of some sort. ( I'm not sure about this, I will have to verify it ). Anyway, the point is, NAS is used to describe various races. But the origin of these races was Adam. Science has proven that the land and climate have a great impact on the physical appearence of a race.
The verses you stated ( 719-25 ) actually happened over a period of tens of thousands of years.
Member "Idolfree" claims that the story is not literal. I respect his position.
After all, remember that the verses dealing with Genesis belong to the "Mutashabih" part of the Kitab. Each generation can interpret them according to the scientific knowledge available in their age. Maybe 50 years from now, new discoveries will be made, and they will scoff at our interpretations. Remember also that they are not essential for our salvation. You won't go to Hell for not understanding the ultimate meaning of these verses. ( Only God does ) -
Salam,
I would have gone for the "jannah is here/a part on earth" theory too were it not for these two verses
But the devil duped them, and caused their eviction therefrom. We said, "Go down as enemies of one another. ON EARTH SHALL BE your habitation and provision for awhile."
He said, "Go down as enemies of one another. ON EARTH SHALL BE your habitation and provision for awhile."
Now if jannah is on earth then this last phrase above doesnt really make much sense. If the earth included jannah GOD would have said something like "out of / out of the state of jannah shall be your..." or perhaps "in the lower regions of the earth shall be your". GOD's using the whole term "earth" only in the bove verses indicates that jannah could NOT have been a place on earth. The phrase clearly indicates a situation like "before you were there, NOW you should be here" thus making the two entities entirely separate and not one including the other. So I believe RK's interpretation to be correct here too. All were souls in heaven(think of it as another another matrix / simulated reality) before coming here.PS The verse saying that "...when man was something not worth mentioning.." obviously refers to him being a drop of sperm, and NOT as mankind being a creature(the verse doesnt say creature) like an ape or so, as can be concluded from other verses like
Was he not a drop of ejected semen?
It's this lowly liquid thats "not worth mentioning". GOD Bless! -
*fumbles Jaxas -)
Little Green Men perhaps on a planet called zog who enjoy a bucket of KFC?
Always the funny one arent you ? loooooll.
It is called witticism old chap!! wink
Regards,