U KNOW ANY JINN?
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SaLaM PM and Joe
Pm
propably wind(ever heard of it?) had something to do with that?
And how will wind come in a closed room with no windows? roll
Human mind is very tricky. it will believe anything u command it to believe!
So you dont beleive in the existance of jinns or spirits?
Joe
When do human spirits become jinn now
I have never said that ? . I dont think spirtis EVER become jinns.
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Peace,
So the point of mentioning them was? Of course I would assume that any 'unnatural' occurrence you will speak of is of the jinn based on your earlier posts about jinn or women screaming from wells. Also based on a thread about jinn. Then if you're talking about sprirts and not jinn you're on the wrong thread. Till now your posts have just confused me since you've confirmed that they are about human spirits.
Joe
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SaLaM Joe
So the point of mentioning them was?
Becoz i wanted to? wtf
Of course I would assume that any 'unnatural' occurrence you will speak of is of the jinn based
It could have been jinns. It could have been spirits. Only Allah the all mighty knows that.
Till now your posts have just confused me
You get confused easily .
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Peace,
Becoz i wanted to? wtf
Okay you wanted to. So how does that help anyone in this discussion about the jinn?
It could have been jinns. It could have been spirits. Only Allah the all mighty knows that.
Then I doubt mentioning them is of any benefit if they are not your proofs for what jinn are or do.
You get confused easily .
At first I thought your stories or sightings were your proof for jinn. Now that you've explained that you are not speaking of jinn I understand. I do get confused easily when things are not making sense. My bewilderment is solely based on your off-topic responses.
Joe
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SaLaM Joe
Okay you wanted to. So how does that help anyone in this discussion about the jinn?
Not for YOU to judge.
Then I doubt mentioning them is of any benefit if they are not your proofs for what jinn are or do.
Not for YOU to judge.
I do get confused easily when things are not making sense.
And it dont make sense to you becoz you believe jinns are emotions. Your bewilderment is soley based on your understanding of jinns. D
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Peace,
What are spirits? I thought once a human dies, there is a barrier till they day they are raised again (2399-100)...so...what are they doing bemoaning their fate and roaming freely back here?!? Additonally, until they are raised, they do not know of what has transpired since they have been gone (5117), in that case are these jinn identity thieves as well?!?
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Peace Jaxal,
Enlighten us please?
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Peace Jaxal,
No, I'm asking you...please tell me?
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SaLaM SC
SC! its not a trick question. Im genuinly asking you why they do that? The reason im asking is that i was told the reason for doing that is becoz it 'binds' the soul to that grave. I was a sunni then. So im asking you if this is true or is there some other reason.
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Peace Jaxal,
I have heard a lot of weird stuff in my time, is there any quranic basis for throwing sand on the grave for metaphysical binding purposes? They also never let women enter the graveyard specially if they have their period, is there any quranic basis for that either?
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SaLaM SC
So you are not so all-knowing after all are you? Loooooooooooooooooollllllllllllllllllllllllllll
OK serious.
"So that I may do good in that which I have left behind." No, it is but a word he is speaking. And there is a barrier to prevent them from going back until the day they are all resurrected.
Do you think that the barrier doesnt alllows US to see, hear or feel them but they can be roaming around freely?
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Peace Jaxal,
So you are not so all-knowing after all are you? Loooooooooooooooooollllllllllllllllllllllllllll
Look up rhetorical someday seriously...
Do you think that the barrier alllows US to see, hear or feel them but they can be roaming around freely?
As in I see dead people? They can't go back...so what are they doing roaming around?!? People say 'spirits' interact with them and the environment...is this what you believe?
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Peace Jaxal,
Do you think that the barrier doesnt alllows US to see, hear or feel them but they can be roaming around freely?
So how do we say they are spirits? This would mean a crash in the night, you wake up and see your vase broken, and automatically assume gasp it must be a spirit! It could be any variety of reasons, tremors, your cat...your neighbours cat...a mouse...your neighbours mouse...or the excellent catch all phrase 'it's time had come'...btw, what possible good does it do these spirits or us for that matter, to be roaming about when their jig is up (and they can't come back anyway?!?!)
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Peace Jaxal,
Why do you speak with a fork tounge? are you short? My question was about how the barrier effect them. NOT if they will be breaking vases.
Why do you speak at all?!? roll
So how do we say they are spirits?
what possible good does it do these spirits or us for that matter, to be roaming about when their jig is up (and they can't come back anyway?!?!)If we couldn't see 'spirits' nor communicate with them, nor 'feel' them for whatever thats worth, why would anyone insist or know or think they are the dearly departed is beyond me...a barrier through which we can't see/sense jack and neither can they...do I even need to say anymore roll
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SaLaM SC
NO ONE IS SAYING THEY WILL COME BACK!!! GOD! ok a simple version of my question. And PLZ dont answer if you dont know. ok? Promise? looooooool
Ok. We know everyone dies. WE know everyone will be resurected. WE know there is a barrier which stops the soul from comming back. So, the question is, what is the soul doing from the time the person dies to the time of the resurection.
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Peace Jaxal,
So, the question is, what is the soul doing from the time the person dies to the time of the resurection.
1621 They are dead, not alive, and they have no idea how or when they will be resurrected.
3652 They will say "Ah! Woe unto us! Who hath raised us up from our beds of repose?"... (A voice will say "This is what (Allah) Most Gracious had promised. And true was the word of the messengers!"
3055/56 And on The Day when the Hour arrives the guilty will swear that they remained (dead) but for an hour, thus they were ever deceived. But to those to whom knowledge and faith are given will say "The truth is that you have remained (dead) until the Day of Resurrection By Allah 's decree. This is the Day of Resurrection, But you used not to know.
660 It is He who doth take your souls by night, and hath knowledge of all that ye have done by day by day doth He raise you up again; that a term appointed be fulfilled; In the end unto Him will be your return; then will He show you the truth of all that ye did.
1045 On the day when He summons all of them, they will feel as if they lasted in this world one hour of the day, during which they met. Losers indeed are those who disbelieved in meeting GOD; and chose to be misguided.
4046 The Hell will be shown to them day and night, and on the Day of Resurrection "Admit Pharaoh's people into the worst retribution."
Death is akin to sleeping...with some very bad dreams (fire/hell) for the disbelievers...