How was adam sent to earth?
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Hey KGB
I think you are missing a very important logical fact, when Allah told the Angels that He is going to put man on earth, they wondered because that man will cause mischief and shed blood on earth
we also read in the Quran that the Angels only know what Allah has taught them, other than that they know nothing
so how come they knew that man will cause mischief and shed blood on earth unless they have seen the same actions done by some other creatues on earth?
cheers
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Peace be upon you,
The "malaika" are the energies/forces that control events. These forces are directed by thoughts. Your thoughts direct you in life. Once a thought gets energy behind it (e-motion), it becomes a belief.
"adam" is the intellect, when it is not submitting to the God's WORD, it has the capability of causing mayhem, like we have seen over and over in the history of man. It is a segregating faculty and the wicked's greatest tool is DIVIDE and conquer. This is why the concept of ONENESS/UNITY is so important.
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Hello again, I would like to add this info to support my claim that humans like us appeared all of a sudden 8000 to 10,000 years ago
I found this very interesting book in my library that I bought about 25 years ago, this book is all about finding in what year the intelligent human appeared on earth and how life progressed since then, I always find this subject interesting as most of the times we ask ourselves how the hell we exist now, I?m sure possibly everyone has asked this question, and I?m sure there is no definite answer given but answers based on belief
However we have a lot of researches over many years done and science may help in answering this question, the results of these researches when put together with what we know about the prophets, a close enough answer may be found as long as there is no contradictions between science/discoveries and what we know about the prophets
Because the question of the chicken is first or the egg has no definite answer, the authors of this book had to base their book on one assumption regarding the intelligent humans, that Adam was created by God then Eve was created after and both were sent to start life on earth, this assumption actually what all major religions agree on with slight discrepancies in the details, but the main story is the same
My problem is, this book is huge and I have to very much summarize it as well translate it with my poor English, I can do both with exceptions of some prophet names that I only know in Arabic and possibly some other complex English vocabularies which I can tackle by resorting to descriptions
They found that the far middle east area ?Egypt, Iraq, Gulf and Iran? has enjoyed some characteristics that helped in making the first civilizations start there
1, they are at the middle of the world which is good for transportation
2, there is many rivers and other water resources, which helped in gathering people around it and stabilise themselves
3, there are plenty of natural resources in the area that he;ped the people at the time in evolving their lives starting from the late stone age that the researches agreed it started about BC 6000 and started in the areaalso if we look at the history of the religions we find that all major religions ?Judaism, Christianity and Islam? started in this area, and all prophets appeared in the area as well, in fact many religious scholars claim that Adam and Eve was sent first into this area, so trying to find the missing link between religions and the studies/researches to find when humans came to existence is really valid to a degree
the Earth age was estimated as about 2000 million years, it was divided into 4 major very long periods, and these itself were divided into other sub periods
the first period lasted 1500 million years, and is called like Dusty Age, or possibly Arky Age, there was no life then as the earth was still a ball of fire and this what it took to cool down
the second period started from 500 million years and lasted about 300 million years, it is called the Old Life Age or Biliosae Age, then life started as a very simple form, then more complex creatures stated to appear, like fish and others which live in waters and grounds, and this is the time when life started on grounds
the third period was called the Middle Life Age or Misoi Age, which started at 200 million years and lasted 150 million years, then dinosaurs appeared and other huge creatures, but a sudden change in earth climate ?possibly by a huge meteoroid? all these creatures eliminated, and by the end of this period at about 75 million years from now mammals started to appear
the last period was called the Recent Life Age or Coniosis Age, this period lasted 50 million years and was divided into many ages, last was the Bliostosen Age which started about one million years ago, and this is when what the scientists call the human family has started and ended with the appearance of the intelligent human or the late human as scientists call it
the last period the Bliostosen Age has seen many civilizations that were confirmed by findings and fossils, this has enabled the historians and the researchers to divide this sub period into more sub/sub periods according to the materials that were used for the discovered tools, this in effect means it was divided according to how civilised the creatures were at the time,
1, The Ancient Stone Age ?Arkiolithic? , which started from one million years to about BC 600,000
2, The Old Stone Age ?Biolythic? , which started from BC 600,000, to BC 10,000
3, The Middle Stone Age ?Mesolithic? , which started from BC 10,000 to BC 6,000
4, The Late Stone Age ?Neolithic?? , which started from BC 6,000 years to about BC BC 3,000the researches also found the writing was learnt by intelligent humans at about BC 3,000 as they could not find any evidences to suggest otherwise, this made them to come up with 2 major categories of earth age, the Before History Age and the After History Age, the difference is when the After History Age started at about BC 3,000 humans started to record the information they posses or discover, unfortunately this means confirming stories before the After History Age will always be hard
however many will ask, would that mean that those human like creatures that inhibited earth, confirm that human like us were created at that time?, I would say no is the answer, because the question is finding the time of human like us as we see ourselves now i.e exact same physics, social behaviour and mental characteristics as us
Darwin has tried to answer this question and many thought he had the answer, but I really doubt his theory for 2 simple reasons that I discovered myself, why for at least the last 5000 years, we did not find any monkey become a human? Or any creature becomes some other similar creature?
Also if the answer that the humans evolution took millions of years and stopped thousands of years ago, then we can see in just a couple of thousand years, human numbers exploded from a couple of billions to about 7 billions, this means for argument sake that if humans stopped evolving a lot of thousands of years ago and just resorted to the sexual act for reproduction, then by now there should be no place on earth for further humans, I really find this simple argument has ground
We fairly need to look at this further and see what the fossils has told usAs stated above the human family as the scientists call it has started at the Bliostosen Age, about one million years ago, the scientists managed to concluded that at the first stage of this age, creatures like humans ?similar to the Gorillas and Monkeys started to appear at this age and can be divided into 2 main categories
1, The Monkey like Humans, which appeared between BC 600,000 to BC 300,000, they managed to find a few skeletons in Jawa or Gawa and was called Jawa Man, as well Beijing Man in China, they also found these skeleton remains in west Europe
- The Human like Monkeys which BC 100,000 to BC 60,000, they found a few skeletons in Germany ?Heidelberg? Heidelberg Man, South Africa ?Rhodesia? Rhodesia Man and finally Neanderthal Man who appeared at the end of the this period and was totally extinct b BC 40,000
at the second stage of this age between BC 60,000 and BC 16,000, other creatures appeared that scientists consider very similar to us and in fact it was very close to us but it was extinct by BC 16,000 and no evidence found that really and conclusively link it to us, they found many skeletons in many areas around the world
1, England ?Swanscomb? and Germany ?Schtienhime?, was aged BC 60,000 to BC 50,000
2, Palestine ?Karmal Mount and Italy ?Greamaldy? ?, was aged BC 50,000 to BC 30,000
3, South France ?Kromaneon?, was aged BC 30,000 to BC 16,000this human like creature was extinct by BC 16,000 and they found a missing link between this time and BC 10,000 the end of the Old Stone Age, and for all these human like creatures starting by Jawa Man and ending by Kromaneon Man the scientists could not find the missing link between them and the true intelligent human like us, absolutely till now no link
In the third stage of this age, the scientist concluded that human exactly like us appeared and they divide their civilizations as follow
1, the existence of us, about BC 10,000 and BC 8,000
2, Agriculture, when we learnt it was about BC 8,000 and BC 6,000, where animals were deployed as helping hands as proven from many historical discoveries, humans learnt agricultures as a necessity for food then by BC 6,000, it became as a main job for all
3, Building, humans after finding security in agricultures started to be more inventive and more civilized looking for new ideas for better life, between BC 6,000 and BC 4,500 they started building small villages and cities
4, The real Civilizations, this period between BC 4,500 and BC 3,000, when the political and religious forces started to have huge influence on humanity, it is noted that it ended at BC 3,000 when humans started to learn writing and started to record their current affairsthe very well known civilizations appeared at that time were mostly in Egypt and Iraq, for example,
in Egypt
1, Al-Fayoom Civilization about BC 4,300 in Fayoom City
2, Al-Badari Civilization about BC 4,100 in Upper Egypt
3, Naqada Civilization about BC 3,900 in Qena City
4, Al-Amry Civilization about BC 3,700 in Helwan City
5, Al-Maady Civilization about BC 3,100 in Maady Suburb,Cairoall these civilizations in Egypt proceeded the Pharaohs Civilization which started in BC 3,100 by the unity of Egypt under the ruling of King Mina ?Narmer?
In Iraq
1, Germo Civilization about BC 4,200 in Kirk
2, Tal Hassona Civilization about BC 4,000 in Mosoul
3, Samara Civilization about BC 4,000 in Baghdad
4, Tal Al-Ebid Civilization about BC 3,700 in North and South Iraq
5, Al-Warkaa Civilization about BC 3,300 in Oar and Khafaga
6, Gamdat Nasr Civilization about BC 3,100all these civilization proceeded the Somria Civilization which started abouot BC 3,000 in Iraq
If I manage to have time I will continue translating the book, as I run 3 companies and hardly find time to sleep
cheers
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Peace be upon you,
likewise mate
The "malaika" are the energies/forces that control events. These forces are directed by thoughts. Your thoughts direct you in life. Once a thought gets energy behind it (e-motion), it becomes a belief.
I found it a bit complex to comprehend what you stated about the "Malaika", "The Angels", but what I found is much easier to understand and comperhend is whar their Creator said about them in His own words as stated in the Quran, so I believe they are physical creatuers created from Light, they were created to enforce God's laws and wishs, "while He does not need them to force it as He does not need our worrship to Him", they also have jobs, like paradise guards, hell guards, clerks who write what we do, some to control the clouds, some for the winds and tornados, others for enforcing death, etc.. in fact I read in te oast that the angels are the easiest of the cretures that Allah creates and there are zillions of them and again I tend to believe it based on the fact that every human has two angels to document what he/she does in the whole life as stated in the Quran
"adam" is the intellect, when it is not submitting to the God's WORD, it has the capability of causing mayhem, like we have seen over and over in the history of man. It is a segregating faculty and the wicked's greatest tool is DIVIDE and conquer. This is why the concept of ONENESS/UNITY is so important.
I agree but I hope you mean a physical intellect Adam with an not just the intellect?
cheers
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
I found it a bit complex to comprehend what you stated about the "Malaika", "The Angels",
Check the root M-L-K to see it deals with CONTROL
Where do you get this word "angel" from and how do you envision an "angel"?
but what I found is much easier to understand and comperhend is whar their Creator said about them in His own words as stated in the Quran, so I believe they are physical creatuers created from Light
Please show the verse that states they are created from light.
they were created to enforce God's laws and wishs,
They were told to submit to "adam" (mans intellect)
"while He does not need them to force it as He does not need our worrship to Him",
The God is in need of nothing, correct, but the God uses Its creation to manifest Itself.
they also have jobs, like paradise guards, hell guards, clerks who write what we do, some to control the clouds, some for the winds and tornados, others for enforcing death, etc..
Yes, the forces of control are used to initiate activities of the universe, man has been given access to them by his intellect.
in fact I read in te oast that the angels are the easiest of the cretures that Allah creates and there are zillions of them and again I tend to believe it based on the fact that every human has two angels to document what he/she does in the whole life as stated in the Quran
You read this where? I cannot see how you objectively verified suc a statement, therefore it remains conjecture, which is no substitute for the truth., respectfully.
idolfree1 wrote
"adam" is the intellect, when it is not submitting to the God's WORD, it has the capability of causing mayhem, like we have seen over and over in the history of man. It is a segregating faculty and the wicked's greatest tool is DIVIDE and conquer. This is why the concept of ONENESS/UNITY is so important.I agree but I hope you mean a physical intellect Adam with an not just the intellect?
No, I mean intellect alone. It is personified into a metaphorical story to help understandnig.
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
I found it a bit complex to comprehend what you stated about the "Malaika", "The Angels",
Check the root M-L-K to see it deals with CONTROL
Where do you get this word "angel" from and how do you envision an "angel"?
Peace mate,
M-L-K deals with posision, while I might agree that it may deal with control, but again it was used to describe a creature, why I have to make things complicated?, I did not call them angels, but I accpeted what Allah called them in His Quran by His own words this way
but what I found is much easier to understand and comperhend is whar their Creator said about them in His own words as stated in the Quran, so I believe they are physical creatuers created from Light
Please show the verse that states they are created from light.
I have to look for you mate, most of my quran work that I remember were done years ago, I concentrate now on laws than the heaven and earth creation as I already submitted to what Allah has told me regarding all these creatures, but I might be mixed up, but I will search the Quran and confirm, thanks for your patience
they were created to enforce God's laws and wishs,
They were told to submit to "adam" (mans intellect)
again very hard man to comprehend, sorry my mind can't buy it
"while He does not need them to force it as He does not need our worrship to Him",
The God is in need of nothing, correct, but the God uses Its creation to manifest Itself.
if you mean to show His mighy power in His creation then I have to agree
they also have jobs, like paradise guards, hell guards, clerks who write what we do, some to control the clouds, some for the winds and tornados, others for enforcing death, etc..
Yes, the forces of control are used to initiate activities of the universe, man has been given access to them by his intellect.
really, so man has caused all these tornados hitting america now?
in fact I read in te oast that the angels are the easiest of the cretures that Allah creates and there are zillions of them and again I tend to believe it based on the fact that every human has two angels to document what he/she does in the whole life as stated in the Quran
You read this where? I cannot see how you objectively verified suc a statement, therefore it remains conjecture, which is no substitute for the truth., respectfully.
I agree, it has no merit, but I read books since I was 8 years old, I'm a reading addict, and it was in one of my books that I read ages ago, the book was not a tale story, rather was supported by verses from the Quran that can indirectly support the idea, I might try to find those verses for you
idolfree1 wrote
"adam" is the intellect, when it is not submitting to the God's WORD, it has the capability of causing mayhem, like we have seen over and over in the history of man. It is a segregating faculty and the wicked's greatest tool is DIVIDE and conquer. This is why the concept of ONENESS/UNITY is so important.
I agree but I hope you mean a physical intellect Adam with an not just the intellect?No, I mean intellect alone. It is personified into a metaphorical story to help understandnig.
then I disagree, beacsie I toatlly belive 500% the Adam was a pgysical entity on its own like me and you
cheers
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
Peace mate,
M-L-K deals with posision
Please elaborate.
while I might agree that it may deal with control, but again it was used to describe a creature, why I have to make things complicated?, I did not call them angels, but I accpeted what Allah called them in His Quran by His own words this way
The word "angel" is no where in this reading(quran), only "malaika".
Please show the verse that states they are created from light.
I have to look for you mate, most of my quran work that I remember were done years ago, I concentrate now on laws than the heaven and earth creation as I already submitted to what Allah has told me regarding all these creatures, but I might be mixed up, but I will search the Quran and confirm, thanks for your patience
I will be patient. I will tell you that my research has found no such statement.
They were told to submit to "adam" (mans intellect)
again very hard man to comprehend, sorry my mind can't buy it
I respect that, just dont totally close your mind to the idea.
Yes, the forces of control are used to initiate activities of the universe, man has been given access to them by his intellect.
really, so man has caused all these tornados hitting america now?
Please note that I said man has ACCESS to them.
You read this where? I cannot see how you objectively verified suc a statement, therefore it remains conjecture, which is no substitute for the truth., respectfully.
I agree, it has no merit, but I read books since I was 8 years old, I'm a reading addict, and it was in one of my books that I read ages ago, the book was not a tale story, rather was supported by verses from the Quran that can indirectly support the idea, I might try to find those verses for you
I will be patient on this.
No, I mean intellect alone. It is personified into a metaphorical story to help understandnig.
then I disagree, beacsie I toatlly belive 500% the Adam was a pgysical entity on its own like me and you
The percentage of belief does not matter, it can never compare to verifyable truth. We can confirm the intellect and its interaction in life, we cannot do so for the alleged first man, so there is always room for doubt, no matter how high the percentage rises. D
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Qur'an did not tell us when the Angels were created. The common belief that Angels were created by light is not mentioned in Qur'an.
Humans and Jinns are the two intelligent creations which are mentioned in Qur'an. I have different understanding of Iblis.
Ahmad,
There is short ayat which do mention that there were some creatures on earth which God says even not worth mentioning. What they were? I have no idea. I will give you the reference God Willing while revising Qur'an.
The following verse according to my understanding is regarding human creation which do go through evolution.
'7117 "'And God has produced you from the earth growing (gradually),
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Qur'an did not tell us when the Angels were created. The common belief that Angels were created by light is not mentioned in Qur'an.
Khi- Salam. Oh yes it does
Praise be to GOD, Initiator of the heavens and the earth, and appointer of the angels TO BE MESSENGERS WITH WINGS - two, three, and four (wings). He increases the CREATION as He wills. GOD is Omnipotent.
Did we CREATE THE ANGELS to be females? Did they witness that?
Also consoder
Had we sent an angel, we would have sent him in the form of a man, and we would have kept them just as confused as they are confused now.
Thus according to the Quran angels are supernatural beings which come to this world in the form of men as it happened with quite a few messengers in the past, also reported in the Quran. GOD Bless! -
There is no verse which point out when Angels were created. There is no such verse which says that Angels were created by light.
Khi- Salam. I know that GOD doesnt say that angels were created by light. Thats not the point but they are part of GOD's creations and they are MESSENGERS WITH WINGS which appear on earth in the form of men. GOD Bless!
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People, people!!!
This discussion is pointless. Believe me, you could be discussing the topic for a hundred years and never reach an agreement.
My advice is to knock it off lolFiguring out who or what Adam was is not our goal.
There are other more important topics to be discussed.
I have spoken...
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SaLaM stillearning and Ahmed
Brother from what i understand at the moment, in verse the wickdness of human was not yet revealed to them. To explain it, they were in paradise. Do you think you will be wicked if you get into paradise? I mean, do you think you will be having any thoughts about sins if you are in paradise? We are all born capable of murdereing, raping, killing, stealing. But Adam was not yet given these traits. Or to be more precise, adam was not made known that he possed such traits. I hope you understand. There was a time i didnt know programming until i took a look at it. From then on it came naturally to me. Had i never looked at programming, i would have never known that i have the skills for it. I hope this makes sense.
As for why did they run to cover themselves up with leaves, well, from my sunni days i was told that when they ate the forbidden fruit, they became naked. so they rushed to cover themselves up with leaves.
Ahmed, brother i dont really know what to say as much of what you said cannot be really verified. But it is very intersting and i thank you for that.
As for what angels are created from, Prophet Muhammad said that Angels were created from light/nur . So.... looooooooooolllll rotfl
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Peace be upon you all,
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Had we sent a malaika(controlling force), we would have sent him in the form of a man, and we would have kept them just as confused as they are confused now.
Human beings have malaika within thier very own spirit/mind(nafs).
Pazuzu-
This discussion is pointless. Believe me, you could be discussing the topic for a hundred years and never reach an agreement.
My advice is to knock it off
Figuring out who or what Adam was is not our goal.
There are other more important topics to be discussed.The God discusses "adam" and "malaika" so we are certainly supposed to get guidance from these concepts, there is nothing more important than understanding the guidance. The story of "adam" and the prostratin malaika are from the BEGINNING story, shoulod we skip the beginning ad try to pick up the story in the middle?
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Salaamun alaikum,
KyleHuman beings have malaika within thier very own spirit/mind(nafs).
6/8-9 uses malakun not 'mala-i-kah', Kyle. Im unsure of the differences between the two but im leaning towards 'al-malaikah' being intelligent forces,since they are said to converse with God.
PazuzuThis discussion is pointless. Believe me, you could be discussing the topic for a hundred years and never reach an agreement.
My advice is to knock it off
Figuring out who or what Adam was is not our goal.
There are other more important topics to be discussed.Rather strange since al-quraan is called 'clarification of the guidance' (bayyinatu min al-hudaa, 2/185). Therefore, all information in it must have a significance in our lives. How do you determine a 'more important' or 'less important' topic in al-quraan?
KyleThe God discusses "adam" and "malaika" so we are certainly supposed to get guidance from these concepts, there is nothing more important than understanding the guidance. The story of "adam" and the prostratin malaika are from the BEGINNING story, shoulod we skip the beginning ad try to pick up the story in the middle?
Sorry to be pedantic yet again, but this story is not 'THE beginning' but rather 'A beginning'. Please see 7/11 we created YOU then gave YOU shape THEN we said to al-malaika , sujud to ADAM....Adam is a condition in all of us, part of our capacity for perfection.
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This discussion is pointless. Believe me, you could be discussing the topic for a hundred years and never reach an agreement.
My advice is to knock it off
Figuring out who or what Adam was is not our goal.
There are other more important topics to be discussed.The God discusses "adam" and "malaika" so we are certainly supposed to get guidance from these concepts, there is nothing more important than understanding the guidance. The story of "adam" and the prostratin malaika are from the BEGINNING story, shoulod we skip the beginning ad try to pick up the story in the middle?
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PazuzuThis discussion is pointless. Believe me, you could be discussing the topic for a hundred years and never reach an agreement.
My advice is to knock it off
Figuring out who or what Adam was is not our goal.
There are other more important topics to be discussed.Rather strange since al-quraan is called 'clarification of the guidance' (bayyinatu min al-hudaa, 2/185). Therefore, all information in it must have a significance in our lives. How do you determine a 'more important' or 'less important' topic in al-quraan?
Ask yourself this
Is the question of "How was Adam sent to Earth" absolutely necessary for our salvation?
Personally, I'd rather ponder over the following verses
6151 , 6152, 6153.
I have spoken
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Peace be with you Pazuzu,
Ask yourself this
Is the question of "How was Adam sent to Earth" absolutely necessary for our salvation?
'Absolutely necessary' as opposed to what? Is there any classification of importance in al-quraan itself?
My understanding is, I don't even need al-quraan for salvation. It's a clarification of God's guidance. I could grope about in the dark with a trial and error method. So to answer your question, no. It's not absolutely necessary for my salvation. However, since its part of al-quraan, its as important to me as any other part.
Personally, I'd rather ponder over the following verses
6151 , 6152, 6153.Fair enough but there are terms there like 'siratun mustaqeem' which are explained elsewhere in the book. The book is one cohesive whole in which parts explain other parts. No part is more or less important. Of course, if you believe otherwise, I'm happy to listen to your views?
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Peace again Pazuzu,
May I say, I think you have a penchant for linguistics after reading your posts ) Hope you will share much more with us as time goes by.
After all, remember that the verses dealing with Genesis belong to the "Mutashabih" part of the Kitab. Each generation can interpret them according to the scientific knowledge available in their age. Maybe 50 years from now, new discoveries will be made, and they will scoff at our interpretations. Remember also that they are not essential for our salvation. You won't go to Hell for not understanding the ultimate meaning of these verses. ( Only God does )
How do you differentiate between muhkamat and mutashabihaat ? Is there a particular criteria ?