How was adam sent to earth?
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There is no verse which point out when Angels were created. There is no such verse which says that Angels were created by light.
Khi- Salam. I know that GOD doesnt say that angels were created by light. Thats not the point but they are part of GOD's creations and they are MESSENGERS WITH WINGS which appear on earth in the form of men. GOD Bless!
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People, people!!!
This discussion is pointless. Believe me, you could be discussing the topic for a hundred years and never reach an agreement.
My advice is to knock it off lolFiguring out who or what Adam was is not our goal.
There are other more important topics to be discussed.
I have spoken...
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SaLaM stillearning and Ahmed
Brother from what i understand at the moment, in verse the wickdness of human was not yet revealed to them. To explain it, they were in paradise. Do you think you will be wicked if you get into paradise? I mean, do you think you will be having any thoughts about sins if you are in paradise? We are all born capable of murdereing, raping, killing, stealing. But Adam was not yet given these traits. Or to be more precise, adam was not made known that he possed such traits. I hope you understand. There was a time i didnt know programming until i took a look at it. From then on it came naturally to me. Had i never looked at programming, i would have never known that i have the skills for it. I hope this makes sense.
As for why did they run to cover themselves up with leaves, well, from my sunni days i was told that when they ate the forbidden fruit, they became naked. so they rushed to cover themselves up with leaves.
Ahmed, brother i dont really know what to say as much of what you said cannot be really verified. But it is very intersting and i thank you for that.
As for what angels are created from, Prophet Muhammad said that Angels were created from light/nur . So.... looooooooooolllll rotfl
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Peace be upon you all,
Idmkhizar-
Had we sent a malaika(controlling force), we would have sent him in the form of a man, and we would have kept them just as confused as they are confused now.
Human beings have malaika within thier very own spirit/mind(nafs).
Pazuzu-
This discussion is pointless. Believe me, you could be discussing the topic for a hundred years and never reach an agreement.
My advice is to knock it off
Figuring out who or what Adam was is not our goal.
There are other more important topics to be discussed.The God discusses "adam" and "malaika" so we are certainly supposed to get guidance from these concepts, there is nothing more important than understanding the guidance. The story of "adam" and the prostratin malaika are from the BEGINNING story, shoulod we skip the beginning ad try to pick up the story in the middle?
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Salaamun alaikum,
KyleHuman beings have malaika within thier very own spirit/mind(nafs).
6/8-9 uses malakun not 'mala-i-kah', Kyle. Im unsure of the differences between the two but im leaning towards 'al-malaikah' being intelligent forces,since they are said to converse with God.
PazuzuThis discussion is pointless. Believe me, you could be discussing the topic for a hundred years and never reach an agreement.
My advice is to knock it off
Figuring out who or what Adam was is not our goal.
There are other more important topics to be discussed.Rather strange since al-quraan is called 'clarification of the guidance' (bayyinatu min al-hudaa, 2/185). Therefore, all information in it must have a significance in our lives. How do you determine a 'more important' or 'less important' topic in al-quraan?
KyleThe God discusses "adam" and "malaika" so we are certainly supposed to get guidance from these concepts, there is nothing more important than understanding the guidance. The story of "adam" and the prostratin malaika are from the BEGINNING story, shoulod we skip the beginning ad try to pick up the story in the middle?
Sorry to be pedantic yet again, but this story is not 'THE beginning' but rather 'A beginning'. Please see 7/11 we created YOU then gave YOU shape THEN we said to al-malaika , sujud to ADAM....Adam is a condition in all of us, part of our capacity for perfection.
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This discussion is pointless. Believe me, you could be discussing the topic for a hundred years and never reach an agreement.
My advice is to knock it off
Figuring out who or what Adam was is not our goal.
There are other more important topics to be discussed.The God discusses "adam" and "malaika" so we are certainly supposed to get guidance from these concepts, there is nothing more important than understanding the guidance. The story of "adam" and the prostratin malaika are from the BEGINNING story, shoulod we skip the beginning ad try to pick up the story in the middle?
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PazuzuThis discussion is pointless. Believe me, you could be discussing the topic for a hundred years and never reach an agreement.
My advice is to knock it off
Figuring out who or what Adam was is not our goal.
There are other more important topics to be discussed.Rather strange since al-quraan is called 'clarification of the guidance' (bayyinatu min al-hudaa, 2/185). Therefore, all information in it must have a significance in our lives. How do you determine a 'more important' or 'less important' topic in al-quraan?
Ask yourself this
Is the question of "How was Adam sent to Earth" absolutely necessary for our salvation?
Personally, I'd rather ponder over the following verses
6151 , 6152, 6153.
I have spoken
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Peace be with you Pazuzu,
Ask yourself this
Is the question of "How was Adam sent to Earth" absolutely necessary for our salvation?
'Absolutely necessary' as opposed to what? Is there any classification of importance in al-quraan itself?
My understanding is, I don't even need al-quraan for salvation. It's a clarification of God's guidance. I could grope about in the dark with a trial and error method. So to answer your question, no. It's not absolutely necessary for my salvation. However, since its part of al-quraan, its as important to me as any other part.
Personally, I'd rather ponder over the following verses
6151 , 6152, 6153.Fair enough but there are terms there like 'siratun mustaqeem' which are explained elsewhere in the book. The book is one cohesive whole in which parts explain other parts. No part is more or less important. Of course, if you believe otherwise, I'm happy to listen to your views?
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Peace again Pazuzu,
May I say, I think you have a penchant for linguistics after reading your posts ) Hope you will share much more with us as time goes by.
After all, remember that the verses dealing with Genesis belong to the "Mutashabih" part of the Kitab. Each generation can interpret them according to the scientific knowledge available in their age. Maybe 50 years from now, new discoveries will be made, and they will scoff at our interpretations. Remember also that they are not essential for our salvation. You won't go to Hell for not understanding the ultimate meaning of these verses. ( Only God does )
How do you differentiate between muhkamat and mutashabihaat ? Is there a particular criteria ?
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Peace be upon you MQ,
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KyleHuman beings have malaika within thier very own spirit/mind(nafs).6/8-9 uses malakun not 'mala-i-kah', Kyle. Im unsure of the differences between the two but im leaning towards 'al-malaikah' being intelligent forces,since they are said to converse with God.
Thanks for the correction. I will be discussing malaika further shortly.
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KyleThe God discusses "adam" and "malaika" so we are certainly supposed to get guidance from these concepts, there is nothing more important than understanding the guidance. The story of "adam" and the prostratin malaika are from the BEGINNING story, shoulod we skip the beginning ad try to pick up the story in the middle?Sorry to be pedantic yet again, but this story is not 'THE beginning' but rather 'A beginning'. Please see 7/11 we created YOU then gave YOU shape THEN we said to al-malaika , sujud to ADAM....Adam is a condition in all of us, part of our capacity for perfection.
Yes, I agree, this is the same thing I was trying to convey. I do not mind the corrections, keep them coming.
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Peace be upon you,
When you take the stories literaly, then they lose importance. When you take them for the underlying guidance of our own BEINGS, then ALL OF IT is meaningful.
What is more important than knowing how your being works and what causes us all to "fall"?
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Peace again Pazuzu,
May I say, I think you have a penchant for linguistics after reading your posts Hope you will share much more with us as time goes by.
In time, brother...In time...
(Keep a lookout for a thread I'm posting soon in the Archaeology section )
How do you differentiate between muhkamat and mutashabihaat ? Is there a particular criteria ?
That the verses of the Reading are classified into two categories "Muhkam" and "Mutashabih" can't be denied. The Reading itself states that. As to what criteria is used to differentiate, I think the only way to find out is simply to read. This is just another one of those instances where examples serve as the best explanation, and tend to speak for themselves.
The criteria itself is often disputed. Anyway, this is how I see it.The "Muhkamat" are ususally the verses that deal with the System. They are the verses that we, as submitters, need to understand and apply in our daily lives to gain God's favor and live a happy life ( and afterlife ).
Anything dealing with the concept of true, idol-free submission, laws of behavior, honesty, modesty, the prohibitions of certain foods, the ten commandmants, almsgiving, marriage, divorce, etc... is considered as "muhkam". Such verses do not require interpretation. They are understood LITERALLYThe "Mutashabih" are verses that can have different interpretations depending on the age we live in, and what scientific knowledge we have.
Some people accept them literally, some don't. It's a matter of opinion.
Examples abound but now is not the time ( nor is this the thread ) for such matters.
Some examples include Judgement Day, heaven, hell, angels, stories of past nations, the "miracles" (signs) of the prophets, etc...I hope you can see the difference.
I may be wrong, but this is how I see them. Your ideas are welcome. -
SaLaM Pazuzu
I agree that there are verses with both literall and allagorical meanings. But here is the thing. God says the scripture is clear. So why not just say is as it really is? For example
1] there is only one God and none like Him - Is literal
2] Like two snow flakes are not alike, such is god (probably a crappy example looolll ) - Allagorical, still the literal is much more easier and clear.
This is how i see it.
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Peace be upon you,
I cannot see how you are limiting the word "ayat" to verses?
Please elaborate
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Peace be upon you Jaxal,
Feel free to jump in, I didnt really focus that question to a particular person, just to the idea that ayat is being taken as "verse" rather than "sign".
Keep in mind that I take Al Kitaab as "univeral law", not a physical book.
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SaLaM Idolfree
I will jump in then since you asked me to politely D . When i say verse, i am talking about the verse in the surah like (Surah 2 , Verse number 2). I know what Ayat = miracle/sign. I believe the whole Quran is a miracle. But when i say verse, i just mean the surah.verse number. Yea its kinda boring isnt it? loooooooool