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Hi all,
If Allah sent his final guidance to mankind through His prophet Mohammed(instead of back then) at this age, would the rules in Quran be any different, or do u think they would still be the same?Just a thought.
To think about it, i think Allah wouldnt have mentioned slaves, or even the polygamy rule etc.. i dont know.
what do u guys think?
would Quran(the final guidance for mankind) contain different rules if it was sent in this age?if Yes, then are we to think those rules were specific for the people of that era and have a message for the people thereafter?
if No, are we to think God would have implied the same rules at the present era, and mankind, inspite of all the growth and changes, need to be bound by the same rules like that of our very primitive ancestors who lived ages before us.and, did the previous sriptures that came before Quran have rules as well? and if yes, are they the same as mentioned in Quran?
if No, does that mean the rules were made appropriate for the period (and the state of affairs), when it was being given?anybody who has knowledge/ideas/views are welcome to share.
like i said, its just a thought/ question i dont have answer to. -
It is all how you interpret the verses at the present time. Slavery is very much in practise in today modern society. The corporate slavery where people do not have choices other than to accept and work according to their rules. The rules would not be different now what we have in Qur'an.
Previous scriptures do have the rules which become abrogated with Qur'an. Injeel Gospel Zubur laws were given to the Israelites. The previous scriptures laws might be different but the message was same There is no god but Allah. Qur'an laws are for all mankind till the day of judgement. Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was the the prophet sent for Arabs he is sent as Rahmat il Alameen.
The question is do you believe that Allah Taala did not know the present day socieity and advancement in science medicines communications?
The laws of Qur'an are as fresh as they were 1400 years back.
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SaLaM peacefulmuslim
The previous scripture (Torah and Gospel) were for the previous generations. They contained the appropriate set of laws for them. Then came down the Quran, superceading the previous scriptures. Ive read the Torah and the Quran. The similarities are uncannny. There are rules that have been changed and allowed or disallowed. So in those matters, the Quran supercedes the Torah. But God says that follow the truth where ever you find it. Torah did come from God. There is truth in there + bullcrap. We just follow the truth.
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Hi KGB,
previous scriptures laws might be different but the message was same There is no god but Allah. Qur'an laws are for all mankind till the day of judgement. Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was the the prophet sent for Arabs he is sent as Rahmat il Alameen.
the question isnt about 'theres one and only God'
its if some of the specific rules were meant specific for the people of that time and the message meant for people thereafter.538 As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime and Allah is Exalted in power.
545 We ordained therein for them "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.
242 The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
411 Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance) to the male, a portion equal to that of two females; if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. The distribution in all cases (is) after the payment of legacies and debts"
492 Never should a believer kill a believer; but (If it so happens) by mistake, (Compensation is due) If one (so) kills a believer, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave, and pay compensation to the deceased's family, unless they remit it freely. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you, and he was a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (Is enough). If he belonged to a people with whom ye have treaty of Mutual alliance, compensation should be paid to his family, and a believing slave be freed. For those who find this beyond their means, (is prescribed) a fast for two months running by way of repentance to Allah. for Allah hath all knowledge and all wisdom.for examples, these punishments seem cruel(is inappropriate a better word?) in the present time but those days, propably things were worse, or they needed such order etc.
and some that mention how to deal with slaves etc, rnt they specific for that time coz there was real slavery then when people owned people. u cant compare anything of today like slavery.
2433 Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),
and the polygamy one . at that time, the majority of the men had died in the battle etc leaving behind many orphans and widows. so,appropriate.would it apply today, when the conditions are different?
The question is do you believe that Allah Taala did not know the present day socieity and advancement in science medicines communications?
The laws of Qur'an are as fresh as they were 1400 years back.ofcourse, God knows today and he knows the future as well, which we have no idea of. but when u make a rule, u make an appropriate rule to suit the current state of affairs, and u speak to people in a language they understand. so, as Quran was conveyed to people of a very primitive age who were very different, the conditions were very different, their wisdom and knowledge was uncomparable etc... so, wouldnt God have made rules accordingly?
and also, i have no clue.does Quran mention that such specific rules are meant to be followed by mankind forever?
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Hi Jaxal,
. We just follow the truth.
thats what i meant.
do we take the principles behind the rules and accordingly incorporate in our system or do we consider those rules to be followed to the dot by people of all eras?
are we to learn that we should not be unjust, wrong doers, etc and use appropriate rules to safeguard the principles?
or should we just follow the same rules like cut a thief's hand as punishment instead of imprisoning him etc? -
SaLaM peacefulmuslim
We take the principals behind the rules and incorporate them in our system. For example, cutting of a theif's hands. Perhaps that was appropriate 1400 years ago. Now, times have changed. Now, we dont cut people's hand off if they steal. Now we put them in prison. Infact, i dont think cutting off the hands was the right punishment in the first place. There is a thread on this i think started by marie. God has given us a moral code in all his scriptures i.e Torah, Gospel and Quran. Times change and so do the ways we handel things. If not, we will be stuck in the stone age like the saudis or iran. We dont go around stoning monkeys anymore.
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Salaam.
The verses were interpreted with bias and prejudice in regards to cutting off a thiefs hand. I read somewhere it should be translated as "mark" rather than "cut off". As the same word/derivative was used when Prophet Yusuf walked in and the ladies were so shocked due to his beauty when they saw him walk in that the knives they were cutting the fruits with "cut" their hands. Now tell me if your cutting a fruit and end up cutting yourself is all your hand going to be cut off lol or it will leave a mark on their hand.
It's merely a marker on the hand to estabilish who is a theif and not to decapitate a hand is cruel and barbaric. !
PEACE
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Hi PeacefulMuslim
The punishment which seems to you are cruel are good for me even at present time. The way I looked at them is the perfect way to eliminate crime. Can we implement these laws in any of the so called Muslim country? We can't implement these laws because we don't have any country which is based on Allah Taala laws. We can't just implement the punishment without building a society which is based on equality justice, welfare for unemployed, job opportunities for the people who wanted to work. The society where nobody go to sleep hungry, this is what the social system Allah Taala has given us in Qur'an, when we impleted the system of Allah Taala than we are justified to implement cutting of thieves hands and again look at the verses where it says to be merciful if you see that they want to change. It will be cruel if you cut the hands of hungry poor man who steel the bread to feed himself or his children.
Pologmy is made lawful by Allah with limits are very well defined in Qur'an. Mormons practice pologmy, the only one group which I remember right now.
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Hi PeacefulMuslim
The punishment which seems to you are cruel are good for me even at present time. The way I looked at them is the perfect way to eliminate crime. Can we implement these laws in any of the so called Muslim country.
You should live in Afghanistan when Talbian ruled it then. They were textbook Suni Muslims implementing these type of laws of cutting peoples hands and legs and stoning. Is this the system God described in the Quran. HELL NO!! It may seem perfect way to eliminate crime in your opinion but Gods Law is Gods Law we cannot change that. Please explain in the Quran how God is telling us to follow the law of cutting off peoples hand when they steal. It's not a law God is telling us to do. PERIOD!!!!
PEACE
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SaLaM
I used to steal. I have stolen some expensive stuff like gold and silver and some just for the heck of it like chocklates ( i beleived that the supermaket was being unfair by charging that much price for it. So i decided to steal and share it ith those who couldnt afford it. Like robin hood. D ) If my hands were cut off, i woulnt have been able to earn a living for my family. If my hands were cut off, i dont beleive i would be here praising God so much. Cutting of hands is a puinishment for those like to stone monkeys. Are you one of them KGB?
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hi zenje,
Sorry to take you back a bit, but why a you calling quran "final guidance"? ?
propably becoz of this
53This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion
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hi 2 pac,
It's merely a marker on the hand to estabilish who is a theif and not to decapitate a hand is cruel and barbaric. !
what about other rules, some of them that i have quoted?
should we be following the principles/message behind them and make up appropriate rules or merely follow the same rules which was told to people of a very primitive age?
and yeah, if God sent Quran now, would it have appropriate rules or would it be the same?
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hi KGB,
The punishment which seems to you are cruel are good for me even at present time. The way I looked at them is the perfect way to eliminate crime.
Pologmy is made lawful by Allah with limits are very well defined in Qur'an. Mormons practice pologmy, the only one group which I remember right now.u think chopping a thief's hand is better than imprisonment?
and polygamy, yeah, they are specific for mothers of orphans etc, and like i said, at that time, becoz of the battle, most of the men were dead leaving behind orphans and widows, and those days, most women didnt earn their livelihood and required to be taken care of by male members.
applies today?so, are u saying if God sent Quran now, it would have exactly the same rules to the dot?
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SaLaM PM and Joe
Joe
If you believe in killing people for denouncing islam,
I have not once said that. Whose missing the point now? wink
SM
are u saying if God sent Quran now, it would have exactly the same rules to the dot?
No it wouldnt. It would be different.
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Hi PeacefulMuslim
I am not saying anything. This is the punishment given in Qur'an for steeling. The question what would be the law can't be answered because none of us know the answer.
I only commented on what we have in Qur'an. You are free to call these punishments prescribed by Creator Lord The Most Wise - All Knowing - Most Merciful as cruel. I will accept them and please read carefully what I said about implementing these laws again.