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hi zenje,
Sorry to take you back a bit, but why a you calling quran "final guidance"? ?
propably becoz of this
53This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion
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hi 2 pac,
It's merely a marker on the hand to estabilish who is a theif and not to decapitate a hand is cruel and barbaric. !
what about other rules, some of them that i have quoted?
should we be following the principles/message behind them and make up appropriate rules or merely follow the same rules which was told to people of a very primitive age?
and yeah, if God sent Quran now, would it have appropriate rules or would it be the same?
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hi KGB,
The punishment which seems to you are cruel are good for me even at present time. The way I looked at them is the perfect way to eliminate crime.
Pologmy is made lawful by Allah with limits are very well defined in Qur'an. Mormons practice pologmy, the only one group which I remember right now.u think chopping a thief's hand is better than imprisonment?
and polygamy, yeah, they are specific for mothers of orphans etc, and like i said, at that time, becoz of the battle, most of the men were dead leaving behind orphans and widows, and those days, most women didnt earn their livelihood and required to be taken care of by male members.
applies today?so, are u saying if God sent Quran now, it would have exactly the same rules to the dot?
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SaLaM PM and Joe
Joe
If you believe in killing people for denouncing islam,
I have not once said that. Whose missing the point now? wink
SM
are u saying if God sent Quran now, it would have exactly the same rules to the dot?
No it wouldnt. It would be different.
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Hi PeacefulMuslim
I am not saying anything. This is the punishment given in Qur'an for steeling. The question what would be the law can't be answered because none of us know the answer.
I only commented on what we have in Qur'an. You are free to call these punishments prescribed by Creator Lord The Most Wise - All Knowing - Most Merciful as cruel. I will accept them and please read carefully what I said about implementing these laws again.
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hi jaxal,
I have not once said that. Whose missing the point now? wink
i guess he(nabi) is talking of ur message in an other topic where u said the guy who said it was ok to leave islam should be shot
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People of saudi and iran will agree with you KGB. They too take the message as whole wink
Sure go ahead delete them from Qur'an. These are not my punishments. You certainly lack intelligence who do not understand what I said regarding implementing these laws.
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Hi PeacefulMuslim
I am not saying anything. This is the punishment given in Qur'an for steeling.
Please study the verse and not just look at a translation and assume its the right one. If you think cutting off someones hand is a punishment in the Quran then you may as well stick to translations of the Quran and not study the arabic behind the text. Please be open minded and study the Quran objectively and not be stuck in your own way. We're all here to learn brother.
what about other rules, some of them that i have quoted?
should we be following the principles/message behind them and make up appropriate rules or merely follow the same rules which was told to people of a very primitive age?
and yeah, if God sent Quran now, would it have appropriate rules or would it be the same?
Gods laws are clear in the Quran and are part of the literal verses as God stated and should not be taken metaphorically but literally. The Quran is for past present and future so your idea of making rules up ourself for this age is not supported by Quran at all.
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hi kgb,
Sure go ahead delete them from Qur'an. These are not my punishments. You certainly lack intelligence who do not understand what I said regarding implementing these laws.
not talking of deleting anything from Quran. the rules were propably the best for that time, those people.
but today? when the times are different, the people are different? -
Jaxal,
I have not once said that. Whose missing the point now?
Yes, you have stated such a thing. Jaxal do you believe you should get your hands cut off?
I used to steal.
You have openly admitted to stealing. When will you report yourself to the authorities and endure the rightful punishment you deserve?
i beleived that the supermaket was being unfair by charging that much price for it. So i decided to steal and share it ith those who couldnt afford it. Like robin hood.
You say you steal because of unfair prices and to share with those who have none.
1 - You were stealing things people could live without .
2 - Does Allah condone stealing from the rich to give to the poor?
3 - You say cutting hands is "a puinishment for those like to stone monkeys". What about those who shoot others for denouncing islam or saying that people can leave islam? What makes the monkey stoner different from the sharp shooter?
Joe
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hi 2pac,
Gods laws are clear in the Quran and are part of the literal verses as God stated and should not be taken metaphorically but literally. The Quran is for past present and future so your idea of making rules up ourself for this age is not supported by Quran at all.
appropriate?
492 Never should a believer kill a believer; but (If it so happens) by mistake, (Compensation is due) If one (so) kills a believer, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave, and pay compensation to the deceased's family, unless they remit it freely. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you, and he was a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (Is enough). If he belonged to a people with whom ye have treaty of Mutual alliance, compensation should be paid to his family, and a believing slave be freed. For those who find this beyond their means, (is prescribed) a fast for two months running by way of repentance to Allah. for Allah hath all knowledge and all wisdom.
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hi KGB,
I will accept the verses at present time too.
ok.
Again you did not read the implementing these punishments
i did. i understand what u r stating.
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Hi PeacefulMuslim
I will accept the verses at present time too. I am not intelligent enough or have all the knowledge to call God laws cruel.
I respect your opinion and decision but keep developing yourself by reading and studying the Quran. It's not as hard as it is as people will tell you but takes time and I'm still learning )
PEACE
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Joe have i ever judged you? EVER? to the best of my knowledge, i have never judged you. You on the other hand jump on the band wagon to judge me. Why? Do you hold something against me?
Yes, you have stated such a thing.
No... go back and read what i posted. As i said before, its like you just skip over my post with an already pre determined judgment against me. This much is clear from all your posts towards me. Do this. Go back to the thread and quote ME saying that i will shoot him coz he renounced islam. if you cant, then just Shhhhhhhhhh. dont embarass urself further.
You have openly admitted to stealing. When will you report yourself to the authorities and endure the rightful punishment you deserve?
Why would you do the same? rotfl
I asked you this before but perhaps you were too embarassed to answer me. Have you lived every second of your life according to the Quran? Have you never ever made a wrong choice? ever made a mistake? like a fool you open your mouth and close your eyes. Telling me about my deeds. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAH rotfl rotfl rotfl like you have never made a mistake or a wrong choice rotfl rotfl rotfl
Judge not, as you shall be judged, by God.
BTW KGB, since you talk about lack of intelligence, i suggest you read the thread by saladin and marie and put your intelligence to some use, since you think that you are the only one on this forum with any intelligence whatsoever. wink
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I swear Joe, what is wrong with you? you used to be soo good. but now its like you open your mouth and garbage comes out. Since you skipped my post ONCE AGAIN roll , I will repeat what i asked you and this time in large font. QUOTE ME WHERE I SAID SOMEONE WHO LEAVES ISLAM SHOULD BE SHOT. QUOTE ME!!!!. There, that cant be hard to miss wink