CONCLUSION OF THE SWINE DEBATE
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and you go easy on the....weed. Btw, are you high now?
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This will be last post to you...seek professional help.
Peace.
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Peace be upon you all,
There is no arguing in the debate
When you lose your peace you lose.
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Your question can only lead to conjctures, because Al-Quran does not say and, per ayat 733, 1736, and 16116, you cannot say of Allah or His Deen of which you have no certitude, nor can make haram anything which Allah hasn't.
My God, are you blind?? What, then, is the meaning of the folowing ayats;
733 Say the things that my Lord hath indeed made haram are shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to Allah, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about Allah of which you have no knowledge.
1736 And do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).
Khi- Salam. the above is NOT my quote. GOD Bless!
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The only thing that hurts me are my eyes when they fall upon your nonsensical scribblings. Does the truth you???? You, by your own admission, use a controlled/haram intoxicant, thus, you have zero credibility. People entertain your intoxicant induced foolishness, because you are a source of great comic relief...and that is the truth. rotfl
Ad hominem.
I can't find any evidence that cannabis was forbidden to the Jews so by your standards it's fine for everyone.
PRIEST_BOKMEI / DHULQARNANE in a sentence...
"If it's good for the Jews, it's good for me."
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Your question can only lead to conjctures, because Al-Quran does not say and, per ayat 733, 1736, and 16116, you cannot say of Allah or His Deen of which you have no certitude, nor can make haram anything which Allah hasn't.
My God, are you blind?? What, then, is the meaning of the folowing ayats;
733 Say the things that my Lord hath indeed made haram are shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to Allah, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about Allah of which you have no knowledge.
1736 And do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).
Khi- Salam. the above is NOT my quote. GOD Bless!
mquran warned about this kind of behaviour in the thread discussing him.
S/he has so many identities on this board it's hard to keep up with who you're speaking to. I think that's against forum policy but hey, this individual seems to have a way of alternating between taking on the role of a victim and appealing to the authorities insincerely, and being a pest towards forum participators.
I think it's pointless getting into circular debates with her/him because they have a way of trying to bury all the essentials in meaningless foam that s/he generates through repetition.
Some final advice...
"A barking dog is irritating only as long as you choose to hear it."
Regards.
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The only thing that hurts me are my eyes when they fall upon your nonsensical scribblings. Does the truth you???? You, by your own admission, use a controlled/haram intoxicant, thus, you have zero credibility. People entertain your intoxicant induced foolishness, because you are a source of great comic relief...and that is the truth. rotfl
Ad hominem.
I can't find any evidence that cannabis was forbidden to the Jews so by your standards it's fine for everyone.
PRIEST_BOKMEI / DHULQARNANE in a sentence...
"If it's good for the Jews, it's good for me."
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Some final advice..."A barking dog is irritating only as long as you choose to hear it."
Do not be so quick to be irritated by the barking dog. If one looks at the Tarot card--The FOOL/JESTER, there is a dog barking at the FOOL/JESTER, who is looking up at the sky, daydreaming and prancing about content and cuddlely in his reverie, all the while, completely oblivious to the fact that, his very next step will take him over a cliff. The dog barks in hope of warning his companion of the imminent danger which is only a heartbeat/step way. Allah honors the dog...perhaps you should do the same, however, the arrogant will have a great deal of difficulty following Allah's lead.
truth, contemplate the following image.
http//www.aquarionics.com/assets/attach/tests/fool.jpg
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Aidid Safar has also decided to translate lahma khinzeerin by contaminated meat.
(Aidid Safar) Indeed it is only prohibited on you the carrion and the blood and the contaminated meat and what has been legalised by way of - for other than God. Thus whoever is strained without malice and not being deliberate - surely there is no fault on him. Indeed God is forgiving - merciful.
cf http//aididsafar.com/translation.html
PS my rebuttal here
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4031&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=625#55205
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4031&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=625#55493 -
Aidid Safar has also decided to translate lahma khinzeerin by contaminated meat.
(Aidid Safar) Indeed it is only prohibited on you the carrion and the blood and the contaminated meat and what has been legalised by way of - for other than God. Thus whoever is strained without malice and not being deliberate - surely there is no fault on him. Indeed God is forgiving - merciful.
Yes, Aidid, being the rational and non-superstitious individual that he is, has come to the same conclusion that I and many others have as well that, khinzerin cannot and does not mean the specie of animal pig in Al-Quran.
In your "rebuttal" you simply wanted to toss out ayat 6146, but you can't. This ayat, as I have stated many times now, tells us what specie of animals Allah made haram to the Jews/POTB, those with claws. This ayat is so powerful in what it declares that, you cannot/will not work through your denial that, it totally excludes the pig, in that, as an animal, pigs don't have claws. This ayat PROVES three things conclusively
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The specie of animal pig CANNOT and is not represented in the haram animals to the Jews, as it doesn't possess claws.
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That the Jews LIED when they claim that Allah made the pig haram to them.
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In that, the pig was not made haram by Allah to the Jews/POTB, it was then halal. Humans cannot make anything haram that Allah has not.
There is NO rebutting the above three realities and staying within Al-Quran at the same time.
Now, in that, the specie of animal pig was not made haram to the Jews/POTB, it was halal, hence, at the time ayat 55 is being revealed the pig being halal was therefore halal to the those who were given Al-Quran. There is simply NO WAY out this sequence of events...none.
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I'm sorry PBM your bubblling makes no sense especially the Quran said that the pigs were forbidden on the Jew
would you like to see the proof? lol
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Yes, Aidid, being the rational and non-superstitious individual that he is, has come to the same conclusion that I and many others have as well that, khinzerin cannot and does not mean the specie of animal pig in Al-Quran.
I find it funny though that your mentors, you and aidid safar come to the same conclusion based on the stuff that your mentor started touting in the first place?!? I did some research and apparently this contaminated/diseased meat is first argued by your mentor and his wife and then spread over the net (OQS board as well)?!? Have you heard of this before they told it to you for the first time? I haven't read this through any other source. It's just very surprising to me.
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I'm sorry PBM your bubblling makes no sense especially the Quran said that the pigs were forbidden on the Jew
would you like to see the proof? lol
Really, then post the ayat where Al-Quran, definitively, states that the pig was haram to the Jews.
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Yes, Aidid, being the rational and non-superstitious individual that he is, has come to the same conclusion that I and many others have as well that, khinzerin cannot and does not mean the specie of animal pig in Al-Quran.
I find it funny though that your mentors, you and aidid safar come to the same conclusion based on the stuff that your mentor started touting in the first place?!? I did some research and apparently this contaminated/diseased meat is first argued by your mentor and his wife and then spread over the net (OQS board as well)?!? Have you heard of this before they told it to you for the first time? I haven't read this through any other source. It's just very surprising to me.
Yes, my mentors did raise this first, but what is your point? Aidid Safar, having wide depth and breadth of knowledge in the Arabic, as well as, being rational and non-superstitious, came to the same conclusion as my mentors. What is the difficulty here, I don't see any. Looking to your reply.
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Yes, my mentors did raise this first, but what is your point? Aidid Safar, having wide depth and breadth of knowledge in the Arabic, as well as, being rational and non-superstitious, came to the same conclusion as my mentors. What is the difficulty here, I don't see any. Looking to your reply.
I think they are all linked like the borg.
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I'm sorry PBM your bubblling makes no sense especially the Quran said that the pigs were forbidden on the Jew
would you like to see the proof? lol
Really, then post the ayat where Al-Quran, definitively, states that the pig was haram to the Jews.
do you think I'm kiddin or somethin? wink
but I have a problem in hand, you don't speak arabic and consequently you don't understand arabic, I'm not saying I will present a grammar refute, no, I know you will never understand it as a non arabic speaker rather something else you never heard of as a non arabic speaker
I don;t want to waste my valued time, but I have a suggestion, how about you nominate an arabic speaker member that you trust so I can explain it to him, while you shut up and watch
you see I'm trying to help a non arabic confused muslim and a brother like you
your call
peace
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In your "rebuttal" you simply wanted to toss out ayat 6146, but you can't. This ayat, as I have stated many times now, tells us what specie of animals Allah made haram to the Jews/POTB, those with claws. This ayat is so powerful in what it declares that, you cannot/will not work through your denial that, it totally excludes the pig, in that, as an animal, pigs don't have claws. This ayat PROVES three things conclusively
- The specie of animal pig CANNOT and is not represented in the haram animals to the Jews, as it doesn't possess claws.
I have decided not not talk anymore with PB because he has been unrespectful to me.
But I will try to give you a chance, hoping that, with this new identity,
- you will not duck out my questions, or refuse to respond to them
- you will not do as if you don't understand what I write
- you will not repeat again and again the same refuted arguments.
- you will try to be logic, honest, and to avoid bad faith
If you do not respect this line of conduct with me, our dialog will cease again.
Here are some food restrictions availing to the jews (assuming is about the jews)
- As a punishment for their rebellion ()
- all that have claws
- the fat of the cattle and the sheep (except what is attached to the back, or entrails, or mixed with bone)
- As it is foul (|6145])
- what is already dead
- blood
- lahma khinzeerin (the flesh of swine)
So, as you can see, is not exhaustive about the food restrictions to the jews. There are also food restrictions to them in .
Now, the food restrictions listed in are only valid to the jews because of their rebellion. They do not apply to the muslims after the revelation of the quran.
So, had the pig had claws, this would have changed nothing for us, because does not apply anymore.But the food restrictions listed in , including lahma khinzeerin, apply to the jews, as well as to us.
A priori, lahma khinzeerin can mean either "ill-seaming flesh", or "flesh of swine", but, because of the grammatical inconsistency put forth by Marie (among others), it can mean only "flesh of swine"
So, the flesh of swine is haram to us (as well as to the jews).
Peace
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Peace JM
very short and to the point, i hope PBM gets it this time, but do you mind if I ask, do you speak arabic?
peace
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Peace JM
very short and to the point, i hope PBM gets it this time, but do you mind if I ask, do you speak arabic?
peace
No, alas, I don't.
Nut I am learning it.