Is Quran anti- secular?
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Yea... i didnt think you had the balls either to do that
The Quran actually forbids me to go into the masjid of the people like yourself but you can come down my way if you want. But first tell me, what is it you intend? You want to sex-pester guys now since you've exhausted all possible female options?
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The Quran actually forbids me to go into the masjid of the people like yourself
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Rizwan, if you want to meet, we can arrange it cause London's huge. All I ask is for you to tell me what you plan. Im not going to meet you to hear you rhyme.
p.s. are you medically unable to read beyond the 8th word of a sentence or something. I did actually say but you can come down my way if you want.
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peace to all,
In ma opinion....Quran doesnt talk about any religion...It was never meant to establish any religious law, moreover it denounces religious believe. Being secular doesn?t mean one cant have personal spiritual believes. science doesnt denounce spirituality but speaks of it in another language which is logic and prove.
So a community who reads Quran and has the same values will have a balance community with unbiased non-religious constitution.......
The whole thing depends on how one understands the concept of "God" and how they perceive the nature. Does Quran say anything about promoting a religion in the name of "Islam" ?? I don?t think so.
I think we messed up all the words and became trapped in some Arabic words such as "Islam, muslim". Labeling is a common practice ppl cant live without..and this is one of the habit that takes us away from the actual meaning.
Quran is just a guiding source which tries to create common values between humans with an objective to create balance in the natural system...A state can never have any religion, It can only allow it.
So in a way it very similar to secularism...
Shanti
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In ma opinion....Quran doesnt talk about any religion...It was never meant to establish any religious law, moreover it denounces religious believe. Being secular doesnt mean one cant have personal spiritual believes. science doesnt denounce spirituality but speaks of it in another language which is logic and prove.
So, when it tells you what to do with criminals, what do you call it then? Allah gives these ahkaam/rulings very clearly in the book.
So a community who reads Quran and has the same values will have a balance community with unbiased non-religious constitution.......
Is 'justice' not a 'value' ? If it is and 'quranites' are meant to have it,
shouldnt they seek its operationalisation from al-quraan itself?
I think your use of the terms 'religious' is unjustified here. Al-quraan does have laws and it doesnt differentiate from a religious or non-religious dimension.The whole thing depends on how one understands the concept of "God" and how they perceive the nature. Does Quran say anything about promoting a religion in the name of "Islam" ?? I dont think so.
Not the name but the essence. You're doing away with the whole essence, Shamsul.
I think we messed up all the words and became trapped in some Arabic words such as "Islam, muslim". Labeling is a common practice ppl cant live without..and this is one of the habit that takes us away from the actual meaning.
I agree with you. Anyone 'born muslim' is a 'muslim' to them. Al-quraan promotes a more functional term of 'muslim', 'islam' etc.
Quran is just a guiding source which tries to create common values between humans with an objective to create balance in the natural system...A state can never have any religion, It can only allow it
Im surprised that you accept these 'secular' and 'religious' categories blindly. These are just empty words. A secular state does have values. Of course it allows for empty rituals to be practised. Who cares if a bunch of worshippers go up and down 5 times a day or sing Jesus songs every week? But try opposing thier corporatisation programs. Try opposing the being sold out to the corporations and then you will see why Allah talks about ar-ribaa.
A state's religion is hedonism for the chosen few. Stalinism exists in many forms.
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Hi Shamsul-arefin,
peace to all,In ma opinion....Quran doesnt talk about any religion...It was never meant to establish any religious law, moreover it denounces religious believe. Being secular doesn?t mean one cant have personal spiritual believes. science doesnt denounce spirituality but speaks of it in another language which is logic and prove.
Ofcourse, one can have their individual religious belief. But the constitution would have to be governed by a set of laws. Which do u think would be right?
Secular laws taking into consideration justice of humanity irrespective of religion, or religious laws from the religion which majority of the people of a country follow and the minority forced to follow the same religious legislation even if they dont believe in it?So a community who reads Quran and has the same values will have a balance community with unbiased non-religious constitution.......
I agree. The values are to be given importance. That is the whole message.
Quran is just a guiding source which tries to create common values between humans with an objective to create balance in the natural system...A state can never have any religion, It can only allow it.
So in a way it very similar to secularism...Yeah, but what should be legislation be based on? Religion of the majority or secularism?
So, to say, america, u.k would have christian legislation? Is that what some out here believe should be the case? -
I agree. The values are to be given importance. That is the whole message
The quran doesnt even have a WORD for 'values' and it never postulated itself as a MORAL guidance or BASIC reference. This is all lies projected unto al-quraan. PM , do you care at all what al-quraan says ?
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Hi Mquran,
My question is simple.
I have no clue which country u live in.
This question is for all those muslims living in secular countries such as USA, Australia, Britain,India etc... Would u prefer if ur country had a religious legislation(such as christian, hindu etc) based on the religion of the majority, or would u prefer a secular legislation taking into consideration 'humanity in general irrespective of religion', like that of now? -
This question is for all those muslims living in secular countries such as USA, Australia, Britain,India etc... Would u prefer if ur country had a religious legislation(such as christian, hindu etc) based on the religion of the majority, or would u prefer a secular legislation like that of now?
Im in London, thanks.
Firstly, your question has no essential meaning.
Both religious and secular approaches have LAWS.
Laws are meant to be followed.
However, 'religious laws in the world' (i know this term is going to be misunderstood) tend to be oppressive by standards of al-quraan. Secular laws compared to this, are more in-line with al-quraan.
More in-line DOESN'T MEAN absolutely in-line. Please understand this.
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Firstly, your question has no essential meaning.
It has all the essential meaning its meant to have. Thank u for ur opinion, though.
Both religious and secular approaches have LAWS.
Laws are meant to be followed.I agree.
However, 'religious laws in the world' (i know this term is going to be misunderstood) tend to be oppressive by standards of al-quraan. Secular laws compared to this, are more in-line with al-quraan.
More in-line DOESN'T MEAN absolutely in-line. Please understand this.
Well, if u r gonna say , a country with muslim majority should have religious legislation, its only fair that the other countries also follow their religious laws, instead of secular laws meant for 'humanity in general irrespective of religion'.
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Well, if u r gonna say , a country with muslim majority should have religious legislation, its only fair that the other countries also follow their religious laws, instead of secular laws meant for 'humanity in general irrespective of religion'.
Are you talking about muslims in the quranic sense or not ?
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Well, if u r gonna say , a country with muslim majority should have religious legislation, its only fair that the other countries also follow their religious laws, instead of secular laws meant for 'humanity in general irrespective of religion'.
Are you talking about muslims in the quranic sense or not ?
I am, indeed.
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Hello
the logic is very simple, any country chooses its laws from any source they wish, if a country wants to rule by the Quran or by the Veda it is up to them indeed, however anyone lives, visits or stops by must abide by the laws of this country
for example if you get caught with a joint in australia you get a warning, in another country like Singapore you may get executed
you see same crime, same humans different countries and different laws
so if a chrsitian is not happy by living in a country that applys the Quran, it will be a good idea they leave
it is exactly like most muslim migrants who live in western countries and keep whining about the "Fasad" in these countries, well, they can simply leave and go back to a country where they will be happy with its laws
The Quarn is desgined to run tribes, cities, countries and the whole world if humans know how to apply it right and none so far managed to do that at least in the last 1000 years
peace
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Hi Ahmed Baghat,
the logic is very simple, any country chooses its laws from any source they wish, if a country wants to rule by the Quran or by the Veda it is up to them indeed, however anyone lives, visits or stops by must abide by the laws of this country
I agree. But today, majority of the governments are secular, arent they? Rules are made considering people in general and not following religious dictums.
If Australia were to follow christian law, and if any non christian also had to abide by them, even if they dont recognise it as an authority, then it would be unfair wont it? What if some of the religious laws, u feel were very unjust, but still u are forced to abide?
And if u r talking of leaving the country, then that would mean there will be countries based on religion and not human beings, where each country will contain only people of the same faith and we will be fighting religions instead of living peacefully under the same roof.What is wrong with a secular government where every human being is considered equal irrespective of religion and laws made taking into consideration 'justice of human beings' instead of religion based laws?
Would u prefer if Australia had a christian legislation instead of secular?
I am just trying to know and understand everyone's views.
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What is wrong with a secular government where every human being is considered equal irrespective of religion and laws made taking into consideration 'justice of human beings' instead of religion based laws?
In a society there will always be individuals of different beliefs therefore we have no choice but have a Secular Democracy.
Chaps and Chapes's Secular Democarcy is the only way forward...
Regards.
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In a society there will always be individuals of different beliefs therefore we have no choice but have a Secular Democracy.
Chaps and Chapes's Secular Democarcy is the only way forward....
I completely agree with u.
When people of all religions can live together peacefully under the same roof, in a secular environment , why not? -
Hi Mquran,
I didnt obviously mean 'dont kill' , 'dont cheat' laws. These are values, that any human, irrespective of any religion can realise and understand.How about lashing for adultery? What if the christians in the country do not relate to it?Would the law apply to them as well?
What about marriage and divorce laws? What rules will be followed for the christians? the ones mentioned in Quran(which they dont believe and accept) or seperate rules for them, according to their beliefs?
Khi- Salam. The majority dictates the rules of the country and if it has decided to take those above mentioned from Quran then it applies to EVERYBODY. Christians may also not be satisfied with imprisonment of those whove beaten up homos, yet if they live in such a country where the law applies theyve to accept it as is the case of secular countries. So whts your point? Btw the Quranic laws if applied would be best for a country. GOD Bless!