Is Quran anti- secular?
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Well, if u r gonna say , a country with muslim majority should have religious legislation, its only fair that the other countries also follow their religious laws, instead of secular laws meant for 'humanity in general irrespective of religion'.
Are you talking about muslims in the quranic sense or not ?
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Well, if u r gonna say , a country with muslim majority should have religious legislation, its only fair that the other countries also follow their religious laws, instead of secular laws meant for 'humanity in general irrespective of religion'.
Are you talking about muslims in the quranic sense or not ?
I am, indeed.
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Hello
the logic is very simple, any country chooses its laws from any source they wish, if a country wants to rule by the Quran or by the Veda it is up to them indeed, however anyone lives, visits or stops by must abide by the laws of this country
for example if you get caught with a joint in australia you get a warning, in another country like Singapore you may get executed
you see same crime, same humans different countries and different laws
so if a chrsitian is not happy by living in a country that applys the Quran, it will be a good idea they leave
it is exactly like most muslim migrants who live in western countries and keep whining about the "Fasad" in these countries, well, they can simply leave and go back to a country where they will be happy with its laws
The Quarn is desgined to run tribes, cities, countries and the whole world if humans know how to apply it right and none so far managed to do that at least in the last 1000 years
peace
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Hi Ahmed Baghat,
the logic is very simple, any country chooses its laws from any source they wish, if a country wants to rule by the Quran or by the Veda it is up to them indeed, however anyone lives, visits or stops by must abide by the laws of this country
I agree. But today, majority of the governments are secular, arent they? Rules are made considering people in general and not following religious dictums.
If Australia were to follow christian law, and if any non christian also had to abide by them, even if they dont recognise it as an authority, then it would be unfair wont it? What if some of the religious laws, u feel were very unjust, but still u are forced to abide?
And if u r talking of leaving the country, then that would mean there will be countries based on religion and not human beings, where each country will contain only people of the same faith and we will be fighting religions instead of living peacefully under the same roof.What is wrong with a secular government where every human being is considered equal irrespective of religion and laws made taking into consideration 'justice of human beings' instead of religion based laws?
Would u prefer if Australia had a christian legislation instead of secular?
I am just trying to know and understand everyone's views.
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What is wrong with a secular government where every human being is considered equal irrespective of religion and laws made taking into consideration 'justice of human beings' instead of religion based laws?
In a society there will always be individuals of different beliefs therefore we have no choice but have a Secular Democracy.
Chaps and Chapes's Secular Democarcy is the only way forward...
Regards.
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In a society there will always be individuals of different beliefs therefore we have no choice but have a Secular Democracy.
Chaps and Chapes's Secular Democarcy is the only way forward....
I completely agree with u.
When people of all religions can live together peacefully under the same roof, in a secular environment , why not? -
Hi Mquran,
I didnt obviously mean 'dont kill' , 'dont cheat' laws. These are values, that any human, irrespective of any religion can realise and understand.How about lashing for adultery? What if the christians in the country do not relate to it?Would the law apply to them as well?
What about marriage and divorce laws? What rules will be followed for the christians? the ones mentioned in Quran(which they dont believe and accept) or seperate rules for them, according to their beliefs?
Khi- Salam. The majority dictates the rules of the country and if it has decided to take those above mentioned from Quran then it applies to EVERYBODY. Christians may also not be satisfied with imprisonment of those whove beaten up homos, yet if they live in such a country where the law applies theyve to accept it as is the case of secular countries. So whts your point? Btw the Quranic laws if applied would be best for a country. GOD Bless!
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SALaM PM
Excellent question. Only proves that Quran was never meant to run a country.
Khi- Salam. What do you mean? The Quran has laws in it for all humanity and if we were to apply them rape, murder, violence, etc all woud come down considerably and there would be a much greater sense of justice. GOD Bless!
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Hi IDMKhizar and all,
My question is simply this
This question is for all those muslims living in secular countries such as USA, Australia, Britain,India etc... Would u prefer if ur country had a religious legislation(such as christian, hindu etc) based on the religion of the majority, or would u prefer a secular legislation taking into consideration 'humanity in general irrespective of religion', like that of now? -
Hi IDMKhizar and all,
My question is simply this
This question is for all those muslims living in secular countries such as USA, Australia, Britain,India etc... Would u prefer if ur country had a religious legislation(such as christian, hindu etc) based on the religion of the majority, or would u prefer a secular legislation taking into consideration 'humanity in general irrespective of religion', like that of now?My answer always has been is that SECULAR DEMOCRACY
is the only way forward...there is no other way...it is the only way to go...SECULAR DEMOCRACY serves humanity best.
Regards,
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Hi IDMKhizar and all,
My question is simply this
This question is for all those muslims living in secular countries such as USA, Australia, Britain,India etc... Would u prefer if ur country had a religious legislation(such as christian, hindu etc) based on the religion of the majority, or would u prefer a secular legislation taking into consideration 'humanity in general irrespective of religion', like that of now?Khi- Salam. Do you mean the Quran doesnt take into consideration 'humanity in general irrespective of religion'? If you do then your wrong. The lashing in public part for adultery is a social and non religious issue. It causes shame to enter peoples minds so they dont commit the same again. A similar punishment was instituted by schwazenegger making thieves stand outside in public with a cardboard saying "im a thief". GOD Bless!
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My answer always has been is that SECULAR DEMOCRACY
is the only way forward...there is no other way...it is the only way to go...SECULAR DEMOCRACY serves humanity best.
Regards,
Khi- Salam. Depends on how you define democracy. I prefer a democracy where all people have smething to add and not just a black and white ALL the opinions of the majority only. Life is grey, NOT black and white contrary to what most people want it to be. And i believe the Quranic laws serve humanity in the best way possible. GOD Bless!
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Salaam Alleikum MQuran
Brother stop wasting time on people who like to pick and choose Qur'an which suits their own views and and have no shame to reject what they don't like. The discussion on this forum has become a joke where people have problem understanding simple posts. They keep asking stupid questions and still believe that they are wise and intelligent.
The same advice for brothers AhmadBaghat and Idmkhizar.
Free Minds Forum has taken over by these idiots who do not know the how to discuss issues logically.
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SaLaM idmkhizar
Khi- Salam. What do you mean? The Quran has laws in it for all humanity and if we were to apply them rape, murder, violence, etc all woud come down considerably and there would be a much greater sense of justice. GOD Bless!
Those arent enough to run a country brother. The Quran is not a book on "How to run a country for dummies". Quran gives morals. This is good. This is right. This is wrong. It is up to us to derive the laws from the Quran and apply it to a society. PM has asked a very crucial question
"Should laws of islam be applied to christian, jews, hindus, bhuddist?". Well not in these words but that is the question essentially.
Even if we pull together the Torah, Gospel and Quran, we still cannot run a country by these books. The countries which have brought religion into their politics , are in a dump. Shouldnt that be a lesson?
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Hi KGB,
Salaam Alleikum MQuran
Brother stop wasting time on people who like to pick and choose Qur'an which suits their own views and and have no shame to reject what they don't like. The discussion on this forum has become a joke where people have problem understanding simple posts. They keep asking stupid questions and still believe that they are wise and intelligent.The same advice for brothers AhmadBaghat and Idmkhizar.
Free Minds Forum has taken over by these idiots who do not know the how to discuss issues logically.
If u r indeed very wise and intelligent, why would u bother posting a personal advice u r giving to ur friends in the discussion here, instead of a PM to them?
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"Should laws of islam be applied to christian, jews, hindus, bhuddist?". Well not in these words but that is the question essentially.
And vice versa. Would u all also be happy to follow the religious laws of the majority people of the non muslim country u live in, if given a choice between secularism and religious laws?
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I don't send Private Messages. Because I don't have anything to hide. I always keep posting on the public forum instead of trying to form a secertive group.
Do you have problem with this? Live with it if you have. I am not going to change myself to please you.
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"Should laws of islam be applied to christian, jews, hindus, bhuddist?". Well not in these words but that is the question essentially.
And vice versa. Would u all also be happy to follow the religious laws of the majority people of the non muslim country u live in, if given a choice between secularism and religious laws?
Khi- Salam. If i wanna live in a country i have to follow its rules. Im living in germany where i cant just beat up the criminals like murderers or rapists or even just be somewhat harsh to homos. Im actually punished if i hurt a rapist by myself even if it were proved in the aftermath that he did rape and i saw it with my own eyes. This doesnt make me happy ofcourse but what can i do. Its the rule of the country. So your saying that secular law makes everyone happy is nonsensible. If you dont like the laws of a country or those laws go against your beliefs or religious scriptures the only logical solution is to leave unless forced by necessity. GOD Bless!
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SaLaM idmkhizar
Khi- Salam. What do you mean? The Quran has laws in it for all humanity and if we were to apply them rape, murder, violence, etc all woud come down considerably and there would be a much greater sense of justice. GOD Bless!
Those arent enough to run a country brother. The Quran is not a book on "How to run a country for dummies". Quran gives morals. This is good. This is right. This is wrong. It is up to us to derive the laws from the Quran and apply it to a society. PM has asked a very crucial question
"Should laws of islam be applied to christian, jews, hindus, bhuddist?". Well not in these words but that is the question essentially.
Even if we pull together the Torah, Gospel and Quran, we still cannot run a country by these books. The countries which have brought religion into their politics , are in a dump. Shouldnt that be a lesson?
Khi- Salam. Ok i get ur point. Quran doesnt detail each and everything. Much is left for us to decide but im talking about whats in there clearly. That should be added to the rules of the country. GOD Bless!
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SaLaM idmkhizar
But brother, where in the Quran do you find the punishment for all criminal acts? Do you know how many criminal acts are there? Are you saying that the Quran gives the punishement to every single criminal act every commited? What about cyber crimer? Does Quran speaks of cyber crime? And as stillearning asked, what about saftey laws while building schools, building, hospitals, roads, cars, turcks, vans, cycles, rockets. There are laws for this. Quran does not gives these laws. WE , the humans, have to derieve these laws from what God gave us. A MORAL CODE.