Meaning of secular government
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So what do you do when those who claim to have studied the Quran disagree with each others interpertation?
regardsKhi- Salam. A difference of interpretation and understanding will perhaps be there for another long time i guess, although it is possible that one day we may know the truth of it all. GOD Bless!
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The tolerance of homos and ironically intolerance of even those who wish to merely state their views why they think HS aint right, to<give an example. Is this freedom of speech? I begin to feel this aint democracy but HOMOcracy but i guess itll take some time for people to realize this.
Bit obcessed with this topic, Freud might have something to say about it.
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SaLaM idmkhizar
Are you saying that secular democracy is bad for us?Secular democracy is good for us - how can it be bad?
Regards,Khi- Salam. Because in secular government common people too who havent done any research at all, sit home, drink their bear, make up some rules which they think are right and the more intelligent instead of scientifically analysing or testing those most of the time goes along with them to please the people for moneyand fame, simply go for it. The tolerance of homos and ironically intolerance of even those who wish to merely state their views why they think HS aint right, to<give an example. Is this freedom of speech? I begin to feel this aint democracy but HOMOcracy but i guess itll take some time for people to realize this. The democracy i prefer should be open to all views icluding religious scripture and allow the search for the best one. GOD Bless!
Your use of HOMOS does indeed show your TOLERANCE does it not?
Thats why SECULAR DEMOCRACY is a must! or else people like you Khizar will introduce limb chopping again...Regards,
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So, whatever man does right and correct , which is not mentioned in Quran, is heresay and guess work and hence wrong?
Thats quite an explanation of heresay.
So, what if the guess work turns out to be actually correct? Should we ignore it since its not in Quran?
The maximum speed for motor vehicles in UK is being considered to be reduced to 30 miles/hr near school vicinities since it would be unsafe for the children there?
PM, is there a language which you understand other than English? I intuit that perhaps you need another language to understand what Im saying here.
Al-Quraan the ultimate truth. Al-haqq. Allah Himself is al-haqq.
Other than al-quraan NOT al-haqq. Also, GUESSWORK. Can a guess be correct? Of course it can. But it was still a GUESS. Do you want to live under guesses or under God's laws?
Secularism is based on groping in the dark of the secularists. Why do you think laws change more times than thier undergarments?
Please, do pay attention to what's being said. This is about the SURETY of the information.
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Thats why SECULAR DEMOCRACY is a must! or else people like you Khizar will introduce limb chopping again...
Or by the sound! of earlier post willie(sorry did not mean to bre rude) chopping.
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Your use of HOMOS does indeed show your TOLERANCE does it not?
Thats why SECULAR DEMOCRACY is a must! or else people like you Khizar will introduce limb chopping again...Rubbish. The FIRST act of the FIRST secular democracy was to CHOP OFF HEADS )
Think back to 1789 and think of the word 'guillotine' . Think Robespierre.
What utter bias exists in this forum.
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SaLaM PM
So, whatever man does right and correct , which is not mentioned in Quran, is heresay and guess work and hence wrong?
Also not forgetting that Quran is a book which has been changed and altered, like any other scripture of God. So not only is this book a changed and altered book, its also not a 'How to run a country for dummies'
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Your use of HOMOS does indeed show your TOLERANCE does it not?
Thats why SECULAR DEMOCRACY is a must! or else people like you Khizar will introduce limb chopping again...Regards,
Khi- Salam. Excuse me. I am allowed to state my opinion regarding homos. I dont beat them up or so physically but i see them as criminals personally and i have reasons for that which ive stated over and over again. I dont want any limb chopping. Id prefer a law which would order the EXILE of homos. Plain and simple. GOD Bless!
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Also not forgetting that Quran is a book which has been changed and altered, like any other scripture of God. So not only is this book a changed and altered book, its also not a 'How to run a country for dummies'
Khi- Salam. Wait a minute Jaxal? I hope you meant the above in an ironic sense. If not would you please tell me aint you a believer in Quran Alone? GOD Bless!
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SaLaM idmkhizar
Excuse me. I am allowed to state my opinion regarding homos.
You have to excuse mquran. He is traumatized wink
Khi- Salam. Wait a minute Jaxal? I hope you meant the above in an ironic sense. If not would you please tell me aint you a believer in Quran Alone? GOD Bless!
uh-huh. Did i ruffle some feathers? wink . No brother, i did not mean it in an ironic sense. I meant it literally. The Quran is changed and a altered book.
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salaam
Id prefer a law which would order the EXILE of homos. Plain and simple. GOD Bless!
Where would you exile them to. Maybe middle east or Afghanistan I think it is quite common there - read the Bookseller of Kabul.
And that's the best stilllearning can do.
Sorry old boy one can only do ones best. We are not all blessed with your intellience and for all I know looks as well.
Forget about actual question and answers. That's too difficult.
Hm! the phrase kettle calling the..... comes to mind
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uh-huh. Did i ruffle some feathers? wink . No brother, i did not mean it in an ironic sense. I meant it literally. The Quran is changed and a altered book.
Khi- Salam. No it is NOT since GOD Himself says in the Quran that He preserves It and that no falsehood can or will ever enter it. The Quran is not changed in any way. It is the same protected by memorization and by the miracle of code-19. If the Quran was not the protected scripture then we would need some up to date scripture from GOD right now, if GOD is to be fair and He always is, but we see nonse. I can only suggest you to study the Quran thoroughly and also the mathematical symmetry in it and code-19. GOD Bless!
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Hi Mquran,
So, whatever man does right and correct , which is not mentioned in Quran, is heresay and guess work and hence wrong?
Thats quite an explanation of heresay.
So, what if the guess work turns out to be actually correct? Should we ignore it since its not in Quran?
The maximum speed for motor vehicles in UK is being considered to be reduced to 30 miles/hr near school vicinities since it would be unsafe for the children there?PM, is there a language which you understand other than English? I intuit that perhaps you need another language to understand what Im saying here.
Al-Quraan the ultimate truth. Al-haqq. Allah Himself is al-haqq.
Other than al-quraan NOT al-haqq. Also, GUESSWORK. Can a guess be correct? Of course it can. But it was still a GUESS. Do you want to live under guesses or under God's laws?
Secularism is based on groping in the dark of the secularists. Why do you think laws change more times than thier undergarments?
Please, do pay attention to what's being said. This is about the SURETY of the information.I very well understand English. Thank u for ur concern. But if I didnt get what u tried to say, Then could it be that u didnt explain well enough in English?wink
So, people who work on facts, by data collection and analysis, on what speed should be permitted for motor vehicles on roads, to bring about safety, are doing guess work and are groping in the dark since such stuff isnt mentioned in Quran?
Secularism exsists becoz of rational thinking and the use of common sense and brains. Laws change with time, becoz the focus is not on the laws but on the results. We change laws into more effective ones when our knowledge and understanding on the subject improves, inorder to bring about better results.
If u want humans to be static instead of growing, would u propose using camels for transport instead of cars? Coz cars came as a resultant of changes and increase in knowledge, the idea of which u seem to be uncomfortable with.
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Where would you exile them to. Maybe middle east or Afghanistan I think it is quite common there - read the Bookseller of Kabul.
Oh ok, well at least you have good taste in books. Read the kite runner yet?
Sorry old boy one can only do ones best. We are not all blessed with your intellience and for all I know looks as well.
The issue is honesty. You're so enamoured by the illusions of 'modernity' that you think al-quraan is too primitive for you.
Hm! the phrase kettle calling the..... comes to mind
Its actually 'pot calling the kettle black'. If you like, we can discuss using a question and answer format. You ask one then I ask one. I always thought that was fairer.
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SaLaM idmkhizar
Khi- Salam. No it is NOT since GOD Himself says in the Quran that He preserves It and that no falsehood can or will ever enter it. The Quran is not changed in any way.
Do you really beleive that God would protect a book? published and sold for 10 bucks? comon idmkhizar. There is what YOU say, then there is irrefutable evidence.
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Jaxal,
SaLaM idmkhizar
Khi- Salam. No it is NOT since GOD Himself says in the Quran that He preserves It and that no falsehood can or will ever enter it. The Quran is not changed in any way.
Do you really beleive that God would protect a book? published and sold for 10 bucks? comon idmkhizar. There is what YOU say, then there is irrefutable evidence.
Why would u keep saying Quran is corrupted?
Ur original point was that u had heard from people that they have changed a few letters for easier pronounciations. Even if that was true, the message doesnt change, does it?The point isnt that. When muslims cant live under other religious doctrines, how is it fair that we expect them to? And if secularism keeps all humans just and peaceful, why not?
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Do you really beleive that God would protect a book? published and sold for 10 bucks? comon idmkhizar. There is what YOU say, then there is irrefutable evidence.
Khi- Salam. The Quran is not the cover your talking about. Its not just a book. Please read my article "the difference btw Quran and Mushaf" at
http//19.org/forum/index.php/m/4320/222/#msg_4320
GOD Bless!