Meaning of secular government
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Also not forgetting that Quran is a book which has been changed and altered, like any other scripture of God. So not only is this book a changed and altered book, its also not a 'How to run a country for dummies'
Khi- Salam. Wait a minute Jaxal? I hope you meant the above in an ironic sense. If not would you please tell me aint you a believer in Quran Alone? GOD Bless!
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SaLaM idmkhizar
Excuse me. I am allowed to state my opinion regarding homos.
You have to excuse mquran. He is traumatized wink
Khi- Salam. Wait a minute Jaxal? I hope you meant the above in an ironic sense. If not would you please tell me aint you a believer in Quran Alone? GOD Bless!
uh-huh. Did i ruffle some feathers? wink . No brother, i did not mean it in an ironic sense. I meant it literally. The Quran is changed and a altered book.
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Id prefer a law which would order the EXILE of homos. Plain and simple. GOD Bless!
Where would you exile them to. Maybe middle east or Afghanistan I think it is quite common there - read the Bookseller of Kabul.
And that's the best stilllearning can do.
Sorry old boy one can only do ones best. We are not all blessed with your intellience and for all I know looks as well.
Forget about actual question and answers. That's too difficult.
Hm! the phrase kettle calling the..... comes to mind
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uh-huh. Did i ruffle some feathers? wink . No brother, i did not mean it in an ironic sense. I meant it literally. The Quran is changed and a altered book.
Khi- Salam. No it is NOT since GOD Himself says in the Quran that He preserves It and that no falsehood can or will ever enter it. The Quran is not changed in any way. It is the same protected by memorization and by the miracle of code-19. If the Quran was not the protected scripture then we would need some up to date scripture from GOD right now, if GOD is to be fair and He always is, but we see nonse. I can only suggest you to study the Quran thoroughly and also the mathematical symmetry in it and code-19. GOD Bless!
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Hi Mquran,
So, whatever man does right and correct , which is not mentioned in Quran, is heresay and guess work and hence wrong?
Thats quite an explanation of heresay.
So, what if the guess work turns out to be actually correct? Should we ignore it since its not in Quran?
The maximum speed for motor vehicles in UK is being considered to be reduced to 30 miles/hr near school vicinities since it would be unsafe for the children there?PM, is there a language which you understand other than English? I intuit that perhaps you need another language to understand what Im saying here.
Al-Quraan the ultimate truth. Al-haqq. Allah Himself is al-haqq.
Other than al-quraan NOT al-haqq. Also, GUESSWORK. Can a guess be correct? Of course it can. But it was still a GUESS. Do you want to live under guesses or under God's laws?
Secularism is based on groping in the dark of the secularists. Why do you think laws change more times than thier undergarments?
Please, do pay attention to what's being said. This is about the SURETY of the information.I very well understand English. Thank u for ur concern. But if I didnt get what u tried to say, Then could it be that u didnt explain well enough in English?wink
So, people who work on facts, by data collection and analysis, on what speed should be permitted for motor vehicles on roads, to bring about safety, are doing guess work and are groping in the dark since such stuff isnt mentioned in Quran?
Secularism exsists becoz of rational thinking and the use of common sense and brains. Laws change with time, becoz the focus is not on the laws but on the results. We change laws into more effective ones when our knowledge and understanding on the subject improves, inorder to bring about better results.
If u want humans to be static instead of growing, would u propose using camels for transport instead of cars? Coz cars came as a resultant of changes and increase in knowledge, the idea of which u seem to be uncomfortable with.
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Where would you exile them to. Maybe middle east or Afghanistan I think it is quite common there - read the Bookseller of Kabul.
Oh ok, well at least you have good taste in books. Read the kite runner yet?
Sorry old boy one can only do ones best. We are not all blessed with your intellience and for all I know looks as well.
The issue is honesty. You're so enamoured by the illusions of 'modernity' that you think al-quraan is too primitive for you.
Hm! the phrase kettle calling the..... comes to mind
Its actually 'pot calling the kettle black'. If you like, we can discuss using a question and answer format. You ask one then I ask one. I always thought that was fairer.
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SaLaM idmkhizar
Khi- Salam. No it is NOT since GOD Himself says in the Quran that He preserves It and that no falsehood can or will ever enter it. The Quran is not changed in any way.
Do you really beleive that God would protect a book? published and sold for 10 bucks? comon idmkhizar. There is what YOU say, then there is irrefutable evidence.
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Jaxal,
SaLaM idmkhizar
Khi- Salam. No it is NOT since GOD Himself says in the Quran that He preserves It and that no falsehood can or will ever enter it. The Quran is not changed in any way.
Do you really beleive that God would protect a book? published and sold for 10 bucks? comon idmkhizar. There is what YOU say, then there is irrefutable evidence.
Why would u keep saying Quran is corrupted?
Ur original point was that u had heard from people that they have changed a few letters for easier pronounciations. Even if that was true, the message doesnt change, does it?The point isnt that. When muslims cant live under other religious doctrines, how is it fair that we expect them to? And if secularism keeps all humans just and peaceful, why not?
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Do you really beleive that God would protect a book? published and sold for 10 bucks? comon idmkhizar. There is what YOU say, then there is irrefutable evidence.
Khi- Salam. The Quran is not the cover your talking about. Its not just a book. Please read my article "the difference btw Quran and Mushaf" at
http//19.org/forum/index.php/m/4320/222/#msg_4320
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I very well understand English. Thank u for ur concern. But if I didnt get what u tried to say, Then could it be that u didnt explain well enough in English?
Maybe. The fact that you conveniently overlooked the verses from the book you claim to believe in didn't go amiss either.
So, people who work on facts, by data collection and analysis, on what speed should be permitted for motor vehicles on roads, to bring about safety, are doing guess work and are groping in the dark since such stuff isnt mentioned in Quran?
Indeed. Anything outside al-quraan isn't al-haqq or absolute truth. It could be provisional truth, but never ultimate truth. That's the beauty of al-quraan, its unmatchable.
Secularism exsists becoz of rational thinking and the use of common sense and brains. Laws change with time, becoz the focus is not on the laws but on the results. We change laws into more effective ones when our knowledge and understanding on the subject improves, inorder to bring about better results
Yes, VERY rational. Tonight, go out and stand near a pub round about midnight or so. You will see the 'rationality' of secularism when the binge drinkers kick your head in. Don't you understand yet ? Laws other than the laws of Allah will not gurantee long-term benefit for humanity. Is this so difficult for you to accept?
If u want humans to be static instead of growing, would u propose using camels for transport instead of cars? Coz cars came as a resultant of changes and increase in knowledge, the idea of which u seem to be unconfortable with.
As usual, utterly irrelevant. No one is talking about technological changes. Im talking about the absolute position of al-hukm, God's laws. God didnt tell you to ride camels till the end of time. He DID tell you to establish His Laws but conveniently, you miss this point over and over.
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Hi Jaxal,
SaLaM PM
No. I have never said that i 'heard' it from people. PM do you think i would beleive something like on hear say? I have seen it with my own eyes. letters addded. words added. I did point you toward a thread. Did you have a read through it?
A few pages, I did.
What do u mean by u have seen change? could it be that the changed quran is not the one thats being followed all over?
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SaLaM PM
In the thread, there is a link posted by me. The link shows you pictures of the verses of the Quran and where the additions have taken place. The Quran shown is older and is compared to later publication. If i can publish a Quran with words changed, what kind of a protection is that? But do you really think God is talking about protecting a 10 buck book? or the actual message?
What do u mean by u have seen change?
I mean i have seen the difference between the same verse in two different Quran where words or letters were added.
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Where would you exile them to. Maybe middle east or Afghanistan I think it is quite common there - read the Bookseller of Kabul.
Khi- Salam. Yes maybe. Any place away from the civilization of believers. GOD Bless!
The above was meant to show those often obsessed with particular moral issues are often the worst offenders. Your and my idea of civilisation differ quite markedly. How people conduct their sexuality for me is their own business.
Effect of bigotry and prejudices can be devastating and in no way are civilised.Its actually 'pot calling the kettle black'. If you like, we can discuss using a question and answer format. You ask one then I ask one. I always thought that was fairer.
You are correct on the quote.
Ok lets give it a try it cant be any worst than what we have tried before.I have not read the particular book but now no doubt i will try.
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I have not read the particular book but now no doubt i will try.
What, the Kite Runner? Save it for a quiet evening, if you please. You'll thank me later.
You are correct on the quote.
Ok lets give it a try it cant be any worst than what we have tried before.My first question
Do you believe al-quraan is from Allah and eternally applicable for the human being?
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Namaste Khizar,
Khi- Salam. Excuse me. I am allowed to state my opinion regarding homos. I dont beat them up or so physically but i see them as criminals personally and i have reasons for that which ive stated over and over again. I dont want any limb chopping. Id prefer a law which would order the EXILE of homos. Plain and simple. GOD Bless!
Yes you can state your opinion of course. But we can all state our opinions without being derogatory, yes?
Shanti
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SaLaM idmkhizar
The existance of warsh and hafs is the evidence of how Quran has been changed and altered. Dont you see that?
Khi- Salam. Warsh and Hafs are MUSHAFS NOT Quran. Quran is what resides inside the mathemetical system. You should have read my article more carefully. The mathetical code-19 has been applied and is still being applied to different manuscripts to filter out these scribal errors. Thats what bros Edip, Bahman, Asad, myself and many others are doing here by the Will of GOD. Also note that while there are differences in some letters and grammatical forms those do not change the overall meaning in any way. GOD Bless!
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Yes you can state your opinion of course. But we can all state our opinions without being derogatory, yes?
Shanti
Regards,
Khi- Salam. Look i see homos as criminals and i explained thoroughly as to why. If i see somebody doing severe wrong it is logical that i use some harsh terms as well. GOD Bless!