Is Quran anti- secular?
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If u consider it a waste of time, why do u bother to participate in the discussion and blame others for wasting ur time? Did anyone force anyone here to get into a discussion?
I said 'if its true that you reject God's laws, then you'll be judging with ur hawaa (see 5/4. If you judge by your hawaa, nothing I say will help anyway (45/23). Its a good point which is essentially stop wasting time.
'IF it's true', PM. You claim to be Muslim, so by Quranic definition, you should be judging according to al-quraan. If you don't, yes, it'd be pointless because we wouldnt have common ground.
Is this implied at me? Coz, if it is and if I have missed out any question, I apologise for it. Didnt intend to.
Partly yes. Thank you for paying attention to this.
Oh, Where shall we start?
democracy thread where u shouted abuses at me, stillearning and Jaxal;
Sect thread whre u shouted abuses at Mehdi
God alone thread where u shouted abuses at MehdiAl-quraan allows me to counter evil. Mr Mehdi by his own admission was there to mock people. Therefore, to judge him as a 'muslim' is counter-quranic. I have since ignored this person altogether.
I accept Quran as a guidance from God to mankind in which Allah tells us to live life righteously and in a just way without creating mischief on earth.
This is what I mean by not answering the question. My question was specific If so, do you think all its laws should be established?
Its funny how you cannot confront this question. Are Allah's laws so 'barbaric' to you because you live in a 'secular democracy' ??
I am asking , ''would u be ok if Uk(whre u live today) followed a christian legislation instead of a secular one?
I am just asking for every one's views here. Am not telling anyone what they should believe and what they should not believe.
Everyone can and will use their own brains. Any problems with it?My answer As a Muslim, in any polity I enter, Im obliged to follow its laws.
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SaLaM stillearning
salaam jaxal
You see... I have a passion for programming. Right now, im making a software in java ( java sucks ).
Now you are showing off and trying to confuse with words like java.
Well then I hope you wont mind if I send you e-mail of very dumb sounding queries regarding programmes etc now and then
regardsLool. Sure, no worries.
You know, when someone really thinks this whole thing through with a rational mind, there is no doubt that he/she will agree that Quran was never meant to run a country.
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Salaam Alleikum MQuran
Brother. You will never get a straight forward answer from Mujafiqeen.
Regarding hiding myself behind KGB ID. Yes I am scared of Mujafiqeen and Criminals, petty thieves, jewelery theives.
I am willing to give my telephone number, address, real name or meet them in person with honest persons who will not harm me if we have differnce of opinion. I can't give me this information to someone with criminal backgroud and drug addict.
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salaam
You know, when someone really thinks this whole thing through with a rational mind, there is no doubt that he/she will agree that Quran was never meant to run a country.
Exactly!
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Brother. You will never get a straight forward answer from Mujafiqeen
Salaam KGB, you've certainly done your reading about munafiqeen. I need to see if this issue is worth the time to discuss. If it seems to be a waste of time, I'd rather focus on my own research.
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if the Quran is enough to run a country why did (and still do) civilizations under Shariah law mostly rule from sources outside of the Quran?
if the Quran was a handbook for running a country then we certainly wouldn't need sunnah, fiqh or other human made laws to complete the country's constitution.
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this discussion is really tiring........I can see that there will be another type of fanatic group emerging in the near future within this God Alone concept.......
peace
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Born-againif the Quran is enough to run a country why did (and still do) civilizations under Shariah law mostly rule from sources outside of the Quran?
Hello ? How did Shariah come into this? Do you know where you are in cyberspace, friend ?
if the Quran was a handbook for running a country then we certainly wouldn't need sunnah, fiqh or other human made laws to complete the country's constitution.
Sigh..Sunnah, fiqh and all the other made up stuff is DIRECT CONTRADICTION to Quranic Law. Have you actually looked at this or what? It was never meant to 'COMPLETE' the country's constitution but to 'SUBVERT'. Why do you think that NOT A SINGLE element of Sharia law comes from Al-quraan?
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Shamsul
this discussion is really tiring........I can see that there will be another type of fanatic group emerging in the near future within this God Alone concept.......What an unfair remark. It's ok for you to completely overlook al-quraan in your discourse and when people like myself seek evidence, we're branded as 'fanatics' pejoratively? What's a fanatic anyway ? A guy excessively into his ideology? You don't think Al-quraan warrants this kind of devotion? In that case, I don't think you fit in well with it, dude.
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Shamsul
this discussion is really tiring........I can see that there will be another type of fanatic group emerging in the near future within this God Alone concept.......U are right, Shamsul. I can sense it coming too. And its ''Quran alone'' and not God alone.
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Peace.
U are right, Shamsul. I can sense it coming too. And its ''Quran alone'' and not God alone.
I agree. A friend told me something beautiful the other night.
"you dont read God, you feel God"
I still think the messege of the quraan, is wonderful, but the importent thing is our belive in God.
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HI all,
Please vote in the poll here on the issue
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4495Thank u.
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HI all,
Please vote in the poll here on the issue
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4495
Thank u.I have voted and I voted for SECULAR DEMOCRACY -)
Hey this voting thing - do you think it will catch on? wink
Regards,
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Hi Lotetree,
Hey this voting thing - do you think it will catch on? wink
I think its a better way to get everyone's views coz many do not participate in the forum discussions becoz of the all the nonsense that comes with it etc. Some others prefer reading the discussions than participating.
So, It will be good to know what all people out here, think on the subject, through a poll.I dont know if it will catch up but yeah, I hope many participate so that we can know what everyone's views are.
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Hi Lotetree,
Hey this voting thing - do you think it will catch on? wink
I think its a better way to get everyone's views coz many do not participate in the forum discussions becoz of the all the nonsense that comes with it etc. Some others prefer reading the discussions than participating.
So, It will be good to know what all people out here, think on the subject, through a poll.I dont know if it will catch up but yeah, I hope many participate so that we can know what everyone's views are.
The poll is good...I just tried to make a wider connection of voting and democracy (the debate of this thread -) wink
Regards,
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Please vote in the poll here on the issue
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4495Your initiative is proof of your bias. Look at your wording
'religious legislation in all countries according to the religion of majority'.Is al-quraan promoting a RELIGION?
Devious, PM, real devious.
Al-quraan promotes ad-deen al-islaam , the servitude to Allah alone, through the obedience of his laws. You''re not a muslim unless you submit to His Laws. However, you would ask the approval of al-kuffar before you serve Allah?
Never will al-yahood or an-nasara be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say "The Guidance of God,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against God. (2/120)
Al-quraan predicted your attitude before you even concieved it.
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Shamsul
this discussion is really tiring........I can see that there will be another type of fanatic group emerging in the near future within this God Alone concept.......What an unfair remark. It's ok for you to completely overlook al-quraan in your discourse and when people like myself seek evidence, we're branded as 'fanatics' pejoratively? What's a fanatic anyway ? A guy excessively into his ideology? You don't think Al-quraan warrants this kind of devotion? In that case, I don't think you fit in well with it, dude.
brother mquran...dont be offended pls.....I didnt mention anyones name here...so pls dont take it over you. I have just made a prediction and I am focusing on the mind set..not the Quranic teaching.
If I didnt accept Quran to be guiding book than I wouldnt be in this forum for yearssss........I am just focusing on the pattern which we should be aware of. We should always ask ourselve if we are getting obsessed with something or not. In my opinion Obsession about God is also harmful and can deviat us from sound judgement.
sorry if I offended you...
shanti/peace