Is Quran anti- secular?
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salaam
You know, when someone really thinks this whole thing through with a rational mind, there is no doubt that he/she will agree that Quran was never meant to run a country.
Exactly!
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Brother. You will never get a straight forward answer from Mujafiqeen
Salaam KGB, you've certainly done your reading about munafiqeen. I need to see if this issue is worth the time to discuss. If it seems to be a waste of time, I'd rather focus on my own research.
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if the Quran is enough to run a country why did (and still do) civilizations under Shariah law mostly rule from sources outside of the Quran?
if the Quran was a handbook for running a country then we certainly wouldn't need sunnah, fiqh or other human made laws to complete the country's constitution.
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this discussion is really tiring........I can see that there will be another type of fanatic group emerging in the near future within this God Alone concept.......
peace
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Born-againif the Quran is enough to run a country why did (and still do) civilizations under Shariah law mostly rule from sources outside of the Quran?
Hello ? How did Shariah come into this? Do you know where you are in cyberspace, friend ?
if the Quran was a handbook for running a country then we certainly wouldn't need sunnah, fiqh or other human made laws to complete the country's constitution.
Sigh..Sunnah, fiqh and all the other made up stuff is DIRECT CONTRADICTION to Quranic Law. Have you actually looked at this or what? It was never meant to 'COMPLETE' the country's constitution but to 'SUBVERT'. Why do you think that NOT A SINGLE element of Sharia law comes from Al-quraan?
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Shamsul
this discussion is really tiring........I can see that there will be another type of fanatic group emerging in the near future within this God Alone concept.......What an unfair remark. It's ok for you to completely overlook al-quraan in your discourse and when people like myself seek evidence, we're branded as 'fanatics' pejoratively? What's a fanatic anyway ? A guy excessively into his ideology? You don't think Al-quraan warrants this kind of devotion? In that case, I don't think you fit in well with it, dude.
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Shamsul
this discussion is really tiring........I can see that there will be another type of fanatic group emerging in the near future within this God Alone concept.......U are right, Shamsul. I can sense it coming too. And its ''Quran alone'' and not God alone.
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Peace.
U are right, Shamsul. I can sense it coming too. And its ''Quran alone'' and not God alone.
I agree. A friend told me something beautiful the other night.
"you dont read God, you feel God"
I still think the messege of the quraan, is wonderful, but the importent thing is our belive in God.
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HI all,
Please vote in the poll here on the issue
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4495Thank u.
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HI all,
Please vote in the poll here on the issue
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4495
Thank u.I have voted and I voted for SECULAR DEMOCRACY -)
Hey this voting thing - do you think it will catch on? wink
Regards,
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Hi Lotetree,
Hey this voting thing - do you think it will catch on? wink
I think its a better way to get everyone's views coz many do not participate in the forum discussions becoz of the all the nonsense that comes with it etc. Some others prefer reading the discussions than participating.
So, It will be good to know what all people out here, think on the subject, through a poll.I dont know if it will catch up but yeah, I hope many participate so that we can know what everyone's views are.
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Hi Lotetree,
Hey this voting thing - do you think it will catch on? wink
I think its a better way to get everyone's views coz many do not participate in the forum discussions becoz of the all the nonsense that comes with it etc. Some others prefer reading the discussions than participating.
So, It will be good to know what all people out here, think on the subject, through a poll.I dont know if it will catch up but yeah, I hope many participate so that we can know what everyone's views are.
The poll is good...I just tried to make a wider connection of voting and democracy (the debate of this thread -) wink
Regards,
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Please vote in the poll here on the issue
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4495Your initiative is proof of your bias. Look at your wording
'religious legislation in all countries according to the religion of majority'.Is al-quraan promoting a RELIGION?
Devious, PM, real devious.
Al-quraan promotes ad-deen al-islaam , the servitude to Allah alone, through the obedience of his laws. You''re not a muslim unless you submit to His Laws. However, you would ask the approval of al-kuffar before you serve Allah?
Never will al-yahood or an-nasara be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say "The Guidance of God,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against God. (2/120)
Al-quraan predicted your attitude before you even concieved it.
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Shamsul
this discussion is really tiring........I can see that there will be another type of fanatic group emerging in the near future within this God Alone concept.......What an unfair remark. It's ok for you to completely overlook al-quraan in your discourse and when people like myself seek evidence, we're branded as 'fanatics' pejoratively? What's a fanatic anyway ? A guy excessively into his ideology? You don't think Al-quraan warrants this kind of devotion? In that case, I don't think you fit in well with it, dude.
brother mquran...dont be offended pls.....I didnt mention anyones name here...so pls dont take it over you. I have just made a prediction and I am focusing on the mind set..not the Quranic teaching.
If I didnt accept Quran to be guiding book than I wouldnt be in this forum for yearssss........I am just focusing on the pattern which we should be aware of. We should always ask ourselve if we are getting obsessed with something or not. In my opinion Obsession about God is also harmful and can deviat us from sound judgement.
sorry if I offended you...
shanti/peace
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Salaam PM
HI all,
Please vote in the poll here on the issueDangerous indeed this democracy thing might catch on and what might that lead to Choice for the people, better living standards, freedom to practice their faith or lack of it etc. Very dangerous indeed.
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secular or circular?
?Perhaps its a Spiral? wink
Regards,
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SaLaM stillearning
Dangerous indeed this democracy thing might catch on and what might that lead to Choice for the people, better living standards, freedom to practice their faith or lack of it etc. Very dangerous indeed.
RegardsExactly! This is what Quran advocates. Quran does not says ANYWHERE to use itself to run a country. The quran, quite simply put it, is not capable to be used to run a country.
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Peace.
U are right, Shamsul. I can sense it coming too. And its ''Quran alone'' and not God alone.
I agree. A friend told me something beautiful the other night.
"you dont read God, you feel God"
I still think the messege of the quraan, is wonderful, but the importent thing is our belive in God.
I agree with your friend.. indeed it a beautiful remark..
shanti/peace