Why does God praise himself?
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Peace,
"hamd" is better understood as "sollicitation".
"youssabbihou bihamdi allahi" = "he acts in accordance with the sollicitation of the god"
in 1752, the god calls on us and we should act as he sollicited.
Understanding that we should sollicit from the god (2328 the example of nouh), and that everything created is acting as sollicited by the god (1744) is of more benefit for us than thinking that the god needs our chanting for him, he has no needs indeed.
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Peace be upon you Someone,
As you rightly pointed out, the issue is our understanding of "hamd".
The God is not an "object", the God is the "subject". The God does not require anything.
Please elaborate on how you understand "hamd". I am not sure I understood "sollicitation".
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Peace idolfree1, all
Solicitaion
1 the practice or act or an instance of soliciting; especially ENTREATY, IMPORTUNITY
2 a moving or drawing force INCITEMENT, ALLUREMENTI'm unable to find a better word in english to express the meaning of "hamd", but the basic idea is that the use of this word with "sabbaha" (which denotes movement or action or behavior) shows that the meaning of "hamd" is of incitement and urge in following a certain course of action (willingly or unwillingly).
When "hamd" is used from a human perspective, like when we are told to say "alhamdou lillah", it means that we have to show that the one worth of asking or soliciting is and should be the god, not anyone else.
For me "praise" is an empty word, it is used instead of "to thank" to express gratitude, but the arabic word for this is "shokr".
It is a bit confusing, but try to check the occurrences of "hamd" to verify the meaning.
And the god is the more knowledgeable.
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Peace be upon you Someone,
Thank you for elaborating, I will take that info and check the occurences. I like the idea.
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Peace idolfree1, all
For me "praise" is an empty word, it is used instead of "to thank" to express gratitude, but the arabic word for this is "shokr".
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Peace,
Just to clarify this part of my post, the verb "hamida or hamada" is generaly used in today's arabic language to mean "to thank" while there is another word for "to thank" which is "shakara". The 2 words are used in the scripture, sometimes in the same verse, and are understood to have the same meaning ie. to thank or to show gratitude or to praise??, but if we look closer, they are different.
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Peace be upon you,
The 2 words are used in the scripture, sometimes in the same verse
YES!!!! There we go, please help me locate those verses! Thats what I'm talking about.
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Peace Kyle,
Here are the occurences of h-m-d.
3188
12, 230, 61, 645, 743, 1010, 1313, 1439, 1598, 1675, 1744, 1752, 17111, 181, 20130, 2328, 2558, 2715, 2759, 2793, 2870, 2963, 3018, 3125, 3215, 341, 341, 351, 3534, 37182, 3929, 3974, 3975, 3975, 407, 4055, 4065, 425, 4536, 5039, 5248, 641, 1103
9112
1779
616
2267, 4131, 1173, 141, 148, 2224, 2264, 3112, 3126, 346, 3515, 4142, 4228, 5724, 606, 646, 858
3144, 3340, 472, 4829
Joe
P.S. Check out Wakas' web page where you can find roots and their occurences in the quran.
http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
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http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
And here is
Shiin-Kaf-Ra
4147, 147, 2740, 5435
252, 256, 2185, 2243, 3123, 56, 589, 710, 758, 826, 1060, 1238, 1437, 1614, 1678, 2236, 2378, 2719, 2740, 2740, 2773, 2873, 3046, 3112, 3112, 329, 3512, 3635, 3673, 397, 4061, 4512, 4615, 5670, 6723
2152, 2172, 16114, 2917, 3112, 3114, 3415
2562, 3413, 769
2158, 3144, 3145, 4147, 653, 663, 717, 7144, 7189, 1022, 16121, 2180, 3966, 763, 1719
7622
145, 173, 3131, 3413, 3419, 3530, 3534, 4223, 4233, 6417
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Peace be upon you Nabi and Wakas,
Thank you both for providing those occurences.
I think at this point I am going with "exalted" for "hamd".
I will try to bring it all together in a future post, just wanted to get my position out there for critisism first.
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Peace idol-free. I would suggest that hamd is synonymous with obedience.
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Peace be upon you Enquirer,
I would not lean towards that becasue we alreaady have several verses that state "hear and obey".
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salaam idol-free. What is your opinion on different arabic words meaning similiar concepts,eg sujood and islam.(compliance) meethaq(covenant)and deen.(obligation,bond),mumin(follower of gods law) and muhsin(doer of justice) slight variations but related concepts.
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Peace be upon you Enquirer,
What is your opinion on different arabic words meaning similiar concepts
I strive no to deal opinion, only verifyable truth. I agree there are words that carry similar meaning, but never same meaning within the God's message, such as jidala(argue) and haaja(debate).
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eg sujood and islam.(compliance)I take sujood to be compliance/submission(hear and obey), while islam is peacefulness.
meethaq(covenant)and deen.(obligation,bond),
I take meethaq to be more like a promise while deen is Order.
mumin(follower of gods law) and muhsin(doer of justice) slight variations but related concepts.
I agree with your position on these.
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Peace-idolfree. So it can be possible for different arabic words to mean related concepts(eg mumin and muhsin),in light of this i suggest shukr,hamd and ibadat are all related to service to gods law. (obedience)
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Peace be upon you Enquirer,
I respect your position. I dont have any thoughts at this point.
