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    unknownuser
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    Hi,

    Mutations leads to errors and diseases. If I have a mutation which ultimately give rise to the development of another nose, how would that be passed on to my next child? If it doesn't then it is not evolution. Perhaps give me an example were a mutation(s) has given rise to a better change through evolution?

    Mutations is neither good or bad. It is only good if it allows the species to survive in the environment. It is bad when it does not.

    As for passing your mutated extra nose? Sickel Cell Anaemia, Thalacyma etc...these are passed on to the offspring either in a dormant or active form depending on the circumstances of the parents DNA...

    Regards,

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      bmbmm
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      Peace to all.

      Were is the evidence? How is the surrounding information target to our genetic make-up, and those of our new borns? Were is the change as according to evolution occur?

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        Jaxal
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        SaLaM bmbmm

        Again, i give an example of the blacks and europeans. Blacks have a higher resistance to UV light. This is becoz of the countries they live in.

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          bmbmm
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          Hi,

          Evolution can only be possible if the genetic informaiton in us change for good + this change of genetic information could be propagated or passed on to the next generation. If this is true then I will agree with the evolutionist.

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            unknownuser
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            Hi,

            Evolution can only be possible if the genetic informaiton in us change for good + this change of genetic information could be propagated or passed on to the next generation. If this is true then I will agree with the evolutionist.

            But as I said before mutations are neither good or bad. It is only good if it allows the species to survive. It is bad when it does not.

            So having a dark skin has some survival value in a hot country, it shields the organism from harmful radiation but no value to a an organism in a cold climate.

            Regards,

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              bmbmm
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              But this has got nothing to do with evolution. This dark skin is a gene product.

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                unknownuser
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                But this has got nothing to do with evolution. This dark skin is a gene product.

                This is how evolution is defined

                It is important to note that biological evolution refers to populations and not to individuals and that the changes must be passed on to the next generation. In practice this means that, Evolution is a process that results in heritable changes in a population spread over many generations. This is a good working scientific definition of evolution; one that can be used to distinguish between evolution and similar changes that are not evolution.

                Another common short definition of evolution can be found in many textbooks
                "In fact, evolution can be precisely defined as any change in the frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the next."

                • Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology, 5th ed. 1989 Worth Publishers, p.974

                Is this how you define evolution?

                Regards,

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                  Jaxal
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                  SaLaM bmbmm

                  And it just so happens that people with darker sking have a higher resistance to UV lights? I mean correct me if im wrong here becoz im no scientist. I read this in some science magazine. Your the scientist. People who live in africa where sun is always over their head, have a higher resistance to UV light. Whearas, white people dont. They go all red when in the sun .

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                    Andya_Primanda
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                    Hi,

                    Evolution can only be possible if the genetic informaiton in us change for good + this change of genetic information could be propagated or passed on to the next generation. If this is true then I will agree with the evolutionist.

                    Of course genetic information is passed on to the next generation! Check the example of domesticated animals and plants.

                    I get the idea that you're confused about basic genetics and heredity here.

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                      Jaxal
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                      SaLaM Andya

                      Are you familiar with the experiments carried out on rats. Their tails were cut off and then allowed to mate to see if their babes have smaller tails. Found out that it dont work like that. I dont know what the result of the experiment was. Do you know of this?

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                        Komla
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                        my salaam,i do support evolution,there is a verse in the quran in which Allah says that there was a span of time were the human was no even mentionable.But i just don`t accept the whole monkey bizness.Because somepeople were racist and had to put down others.

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                          unknownuser
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                          Hello Komala,

                          i just don`t accept the whole monkey bizness.Because somepeople were racist and had to put down others.

                          If you accept evolution then you have to accept the "monkey" business too wink

                          Evolution unites humanity. In fact Evolution unites all life on Earth since all life share a common ancestor...

                          Regards,

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                            Jaxal
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                            SaLaM komla

                            Those racist people forget that they were too monkeys once. D

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                              bmbmm
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                              Chicken is not evidence

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                                Andya_Primanda
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                                Chicken is not evidence

                                Why not? Once there were no domestic chickens, but ancient farmers tamed the wild jungle fowl and breed chickens which have shorter legs, more meat, and smaller brain.

                                And what about the other domesticated examples I put forth?

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                                  bmbmm
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                                  Hi Andya,

                                  But this is breeding, mixing of DNA, which is very different from evolution.

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                                    jonny_k
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                                    Salam LT and ALL,

                                    Hi,

                                    Mutations leads to errors and diseases. If I have a mutation which ultimately give rise to the development of another nose, how would that be passed on to my next child? If it doesn't then it is not evolution. Perhaps give me an example were a mutation(s) has given rise to a better change through evolution?

                                    Mutations is neither good or bad. It is only good if it allows the species to survive in the environment. It is bad when it does not.

                                    As for passing your mutated extra nose? Sickel Cell Anaemia, Thalacyma etc...these are passed on to the offspring either in a dormant or active form depending on the circumstances of the parents DNA...

                                    Regards,

                                    Johnny- No just comparing it to an environment and saying that it survued hence being good is not enough. It has to be all over good. Otherwise cutting off the hands of humans to make them escape handcuffing would also be beneficial but this can definitely not be taken as an example of beneficial mutation and both sickel cell anaemia and thalacyma are -ve. They dont add up any new info. Such processes would never be able to change a monkey to a man. Rashad Khalifa, a biochemist and a scientist on the roster for the United Nations back in the 1980s has used mathematical probability laws to show the utter impossibility of ape or ape like creatures chaging to men even if they were 99% similar which they are not. Thzey are less than 96% similar. Please before you reply go and view the clip "Evolution or Ceation, the final argument", no.17, at http//www.submissiontv.com . GOD Bless!

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                                      Andya_Primanda
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                                      Hi Andya,

                                      But this is breeding, mixing of DNA, which is very different from evolution.

                                      The thing is, the traits found in domestic chickens (and dogs, and corn, and cabbage, and cattle, and goldfish etc etc) has not been there in the first place. They were selected through domestication, which is another way of saying we evolve our domestic species.

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                                        bmbmm
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                                        So where is the evidence?

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                                          Andya_Primanda
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                                          So where is the evidence?

                                          Domestic chickens, dog breeds, cabbage forms...

                                          Fossils.

                                          Genetic similarity, especially 'plagiarized errors'.

                                          The taxonomic hierarchy.

                                          Bacterial resistance to drugs, tuskless elephants, lactose digestion in adult humans.

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