Wife Beatgin
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Salaamun alaikum,
Elena There is no need of any book/revelation to know that it is never ok and
Herein lies an important question.
If 'there is no need of any book/revelation to know that it is never ok' ('never ok' ? - what if the lady was beating the man up to the point of killing him? should he roll over and die?) , how do we know it
if Islam would allow it wouldn't make it ok either.
So why does Al-islaam allow it if it's not 'ok' ?
Can you believe in al-islaam (i.e. believe in Allah and His book) without believing that what 'al-islaam' allows is 'ok' ?
What is 'ok' ?
What determines 'okness' ?
I researched into 'idribuhunna' and found it to mean 'seperate them' due to etymology and context. However, if I found it to be 'beat them', what should I have done?
The doubt is the problem, there shouldn't exist the slightest doubt.
I have no doubt in al-quraan but a severe doubt about where your 'ok' comes from, no offense.
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Peace
The root d-r-b is used in these ayatin.
1317/1425/1674/6610 - Setting forth/cite/yadrib, a parable/amthal
435 - Take away/adrib
3793 - striking/darban , Abraham does so to the idols
2077/2663 - Splitting/idrib, Moses splitting the sea
2431 - drawing over/striking/yadrib, coverings and the feet
There are others, but it does not necessarily imply beating a thing.
Joe
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Peace Saladin
In ayat 3156/4101 it, darab, is in reference to traveling.
Joe
Peace Joe
true but that is a case of a word with two differeent meaning, very common in any language,
so the context will control the meaning of that word
Da Ra Ba = to beat or to tarvel
in the verse of ill conduct women, it can't mean make them travel, it will be a joke
in the verse of travelling, it can't mean to beat the earth, rathar to travel in the earth
on the story of Al Baqara sura 2, Allah told the jews to Beat "Idrabo" the Cow with the body of the dead so they know the killer, again to travel can't be the meaning within the context but to beat is a perfect meaning within the context of that story
The common word for Beating in arabic is "Darb"
the Common word for Travelling in arabic is "Safar" or "Higrah"
the allowed Darb "beating" can only be resorted to by a 100% righteous husband who adhers to the Quran on every detailed bit as well only applys on wives who insist on ill conduct
peace be with you
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Peace,
You may be interested by this thread
434
Peace Marie
thanks for the info, very interesting indeed and I tend to start believing what you suggested except I could not read the french comments, it makes great sense
thanks for the possibilty of another flaw fixing
peace
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true but that is a case of a word with two differeent meaning, very common in any language,
so the context will control the meaning of that word
Da Ra Ba = to beat or to tarvel
in the verse of ill conduct women, it can't mean make them travel, it will be a joke
in the verse of travelling, it can't mean to beat the earth, rathar to travel in the earth
on the story of Al Baqara sura 2, Allah told the jews to Beat "Idrabo" the Cow with the body of the dead so they know the killer, again to travel can't be the meaning within the context but to beat is a perfect meaning within the context of that story
right . the meaning of a word should be decided with keeping the context in mind , and not only by comparing with its occurances in other verses .
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true but that is a case of a word with two differeent meaning, very common in any language,
so the context will control the meaning of that word
Da Ra Ba = to beat or to tarvel
in the verse of ill conduct women, it can't mean make them travel, it will be a joke
in the verse of travelling, it can't mean to beat the earth, rathar to travel in the earth
on the story of Al Baqara sura 2, Allah told the jews to Beat "Idrabo" the Cow with the body of the dead so they know the killer, again to travel can't be the meaning within the context but to beat is a perfect meaning within the context of that story
right . the meaning of a word should be decided with keeping the context in mind , and not only by comparing with its occurances in other verses .
I agree man, but the problem here is my nature refuses beating any human,
I found the argument of using the word "Gald" to express beating is very strong man,
in any case, I never cared about the section of beating the wife in the verse as I will never do that, she will just face the highway
Allah knows best bro, but again the context appearing in that verse most likely means beating an ill conduct wife if the Final cermony of the prophet is true, but we just can't use the human words to qualify Allah words
a big delimma indeed
peace be with you
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I agree man, but the problem here is my nature refuses beating any human,
I found the argument of using the word "Gald" to express beating is very strong man,
in any case, I never cared about the section of beating the wife in the verse as I will never do that, she will just face the highway
Allah knows best bro, but again the context appearing in that verse most likely means beating an ill conduct wife if the Final cermony of the prophet is true, but we just can't use the human words to qualify Allah words
a big delimma indeed
peace be with you
salam.
i m not saying whether daraba means beat/strike or whatever . i m not sure about that . i will have to look further into those verses .
i was only saying that while deciding the meaning of a word , the context should be kept in mind . there is a practice of deciding the meaning of any word by equating and linking verses in which that word occurs , without keeping the context in mind . i dont agree with this practice . -
salam.
i m not saying whether daraba means beat/strike or whatever . i m not sure about that . i will have to look further into those verses .Peace bro
I was just looking mate, wow 60 examples of the word Daraba in all with totally different meanings, a lot of studies is required for sure
i was only saying that while deciding the meaning of a word , the context should be kept in mind .
yep and I agree with that 100%, but what puzzles me is there is no context for that verse other than A WIFE WHO INSISTS ON ILL CONDUCTS, and the problem for me that beating that wife to bring her to the right path maybe something good for her so I can acceot beating as an option for the righteous husband to impose on an ill conducted wife, maybe beating will make wake up and fear Allah ans stop her ill conducts, and that is the closest context I can get, however Allah knows best and we don;t know for sure
there is a practice of deciding the meaning of any word by equating and linking verses in which that word occurs , without keeping the context in mind . i dont agree with this practice .
oh man, what a delimma, indeed that practice is very common, but what you say is also making great sense
i say, possible somewhere in between? I don't know man it is my heart who is controlling my understanding and I believe it is the case with everyone, i'm no unique here
peace be with you
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Peace
The root d-r-b is used in these ayatin.
1317/1425/1674/6610 - Setting forth/cite/yadrib, a parable/amthal
435 - Take away/adrib
3793 - striking/darban , Abraham does so to the idols
2077/2663 - Splitting/idrib, Moses splitting the sea
2431 - drawing over/striking/yadrib, coverings and the feet
There are others, but it does not necessarily imply beating a thing.
Joe
salam Joe.
thanks for the list . i will look into them .what about the verse that says angels will strike/beat the faces of the disbelievers ?
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Peace
what about the verse that says angels will strike/beat the faces of the disbelievers ?
Yes it is said in ayat 850/4727 that the malaika will do such. In 812 it is used in referrence to cutting off apendages.
If you feel that God allows for one to abuse their wives in exchange for the mental abuse they may put on their husbands than that's cool. It's all up to you .
Joe
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If you feel that God allows for one to abuse their wives in exchange for the mental abuse they may put on their husbands than that's cool. It's all up to you .
salam.
if i FEEL ?! should it matter what we feel ? what if the Quran tells us the opposite of what we feel ?
i m trying to know the meaning of that verse . we dont have to change the meaning of the verse to suit or feelings . we have to do the opposite .
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Peace
if i FEEL ?! should it matter what we feel ? what if the Quran tells us the opposite of what we feel ?
Yes, if YOU feel. Is that not clear enough to you?
If the reading tells us the opposite of what we feel than our interpretation is wrong. If you feel you are not supposed to beat your wife based on your studies but the reading says, yes, this is rule number 3 than your feeling is wrong.
Clear enough for you?
i m trying to KNOW the meaning of that verse .
No kidding man.
we dont have to change the meaning of the verse to suit or feelings . we have to do the opposite .
Then that would mean your interpretation is correct.
Joe
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Hi,
I need to know if it is really allowed to beat your wife in Islam?
there are two things, to know if it is ok to beat the wife and to know if Islam allows to beat the wife.
There is no need of any book/revelation to know that it is never ok and if Islam would allow it wouldn't make it ok either.
The doubt is the problem, there shouldn't exist the slightest doubt.I agree!
Peace!
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Joe If the reading tells us the opposite of what we feel than our interpretation is wrong.
Or it could be that our interpretation is right but our feeling is wrong. My criteria is al-furqaan and not my feeling.
If you feel you are not supposed to beat your wife based on your studies but the reading says, yes, this is rule number 3 than your feeling is wrong.
Agreed. This is submission to Allah as opposed to denying his laws.
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My current take on 434 is So good women are obedient to God, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded(I take to mean more than sex. It may also mean disregarding their marital privacy in any way that can be done). As for those from whom you fear/experience quarrel/rebellion, advice/warn them and do not share your bed with them, and ignore them/leave them alone. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
I take this meaning from several parts of the Quran, namely 995 where "faaAAridoo AAanhum" is taken to mean "let them be" or "disregard them." So, the verb is not limited to "striking" when the object is a person. Marie also came up with a great argument where "Waidriboohunna" can be translated as "leave them" when combined with "fee." This reaches the same conculsion as 995 would allow us to reach. Do correct me is I am wrong. If the verse was talking about the wife having an affair, then the laws of adultery would step in and the hisband would not have to beat her anyway.
I personally do not see any Quranic precedent for the verse to be translated as "beat." It doesn't make any sense, especially when combined with other verses that talk about marriage. When we get rid of the sequential understanding where the husband first advises her then...and then beats her, it makes even less sense. It would be translated as "if your wife is annoying, warn her, stop sleeping with her and beat her," possibly until one side gives up.