jinn video clip
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Peace
If you are talking of the video I'm not sure. I'm speaking of what the Catholics used to diagnos as possession back in the day, etc. Sometimes the wild antics during the witch trials were mental breakdowns because of torture, etc. People who are mentally ill are capable are extravagant things. The normal human is even. There was a man who was pierced in his brain by a pole. The pole shot out from the ground and went clean through the back of his eye and frontal lobe about straight out of his head. He got up and walked to the doctor. He was blind in that eye but his behavior also changed afterwards. An amazing tale of a man named Phineas Gage.
Joe
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Ok, but that's the objective proof (to the observer) that such an event happened. The cause of the event is unknown , empirically speaking.
Al-jinn , to me, are entities different from an-naas (114/5). I'm not 'too modern' to disdain acknowledging that because my eyes are limited. They can't see electricity either, but cause and effect tell me it's there.
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Salam alaikum,
Can anyone tell what she is saying in the video, besides the obvious? Is there anything really extraordinary about it?
mquran, I understand your point about "not really knowing" if one is possessed or mentally ill. But we know that illnesses can be controlled or eliminated by medication or therapy, does that mean (if it was a jinn) that the jinn is removed by medicine?
Do only religious people admit that their "fits" are possession? Are the others are just psych-patients?
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mquran, I understand your point about "not really knowing" if one is possessed or mentally ill. But we know that illnesses can be controlled or eliminated by medication or therapy, does that mean (if it was a jinn) that the jinn is removed by medicine?
i'm sorry but I don't know the nature of jinn. Im just not ready to dismiss something because of my location in the chronological scale of humanity. Nothing is 'too medieval' for me.
Do only religious people admit that their "fits" are possession? Are the others are just psych-patients?
Psychiatry isn't an objective science. If it were, there wouldn't be many divergent schools. Freud himself faced opponents from his intellectual rivals Jung and Adler.
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I am not saying that you should dismiss it, I was only asking.
I know you're not but this is the reason I'm raising this inquiry. I feel that 'modernity' has somehow turned into a consuming illusion. Strangely, if we believe history, Hegel and Marx thought the same of their own epochs, that they were somehow better off that those before. We know how both turned out.
Does Quran allow for the idea of possession by jinn (or anything)?
Its an accusation disbelievers make against the messengers sometimes. Strangely, its not repudiated by saying jinns are simply 'maradh' or a disease.
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Peace MQ
I would not call Freud's system a science, but Frued was a trained scientist. It lacked emphirical verification and had limited predictive models. There were conclusions presented without explanations of how he arrived there. Jung and Freud viewed personality differently. Psychology does have a firm footing in the sciences.
Joe
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for pple who think there r no jinns pls let read my story below
my aunt was possessed by a jinn ,we all thought she is sick and badly needs a doctor ,anyway so dis is how the incident goes, one of my aunts frend goes to visit my aunt on the way she meets of her other frend and startes talking to her ,and when finally she reaches my aunts place , my aunt starts scolding her she tells" u think i am ur servent dat i keep waitinf for u here n u start chatting wid other pple on ur way "
now the question is how did my aunt know dat her frend was talkin to someone on the way ?how? my aunt was all the time at homehere is another incident my sister was stayin in india for her studies n evrynite in her room she would here banging sounds as if there is some work goin in the above apartment ,she couldnt sleep well the whole nite n next morning she yells at the watchman dat sometime u choose to do work on the apartment above mine , the watchman becomes shocked he tells my sister u think i am crazy to do work at nite on the apartment?
the samthing went on for very long ,it used to be evrynite, dat ma sister got used to it , n sometimes durin her exams when she would study over nite she would yelldat " pls stop makin noises i have to study for ma exams" n surprisingly the noises would stop now dats some understanding jinn i guess Di have heard many such stories from almost all the members of my family and
u may also have heard many such stories but its up to u to believe in themas far as the clip above is concerned i dont know anything abt tht clip i just found the link at other forum so i thought of posting it here
ofcourse fanatic pple do act crazy at times dat doesnt mean u pple think dat no person can eva get possessed by jinn
i am not so sure if Allah tells in quran abt jinns possessing humans
but i think in surat al naaz and surat al falaz we are prayinG to Allah to keep us away from jinns i am not so sure i am just assuming becoz in surat al falaq we r praying to Allah to keep us away from all
From the evil of what He has created,
And from the evil of the utterly dark night when it comes
From the mischief of those who practise secret arts;
And from the mischief of the envious one as he practises envy. -
JoeI would not call Freud's system a science, but Frued was a trained scientist. It lacked emphirical verification and had limited predictive models. There were conclusions presented without explanations of how he arrived there. Jung and Freud viewed personality differently. Psychology does have a firm footing in the sciences
You may think me pedantic for this one but what does it mean to have a 'firm rooting in the sciences' ?
Freud is now being accused for transposing his assumptions from the Talmud. If you want, i'll quote you the book, it's in my library somewhere. I actually saw paralell quotes.
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Salaam all,
Wow ghosts, jinns around us!!!!
Well I think we are surrounded of energies and that isn't so strange that it can make sounds sometimes
Don't be afraid is my advice!!!
Peace Maria
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Salam all,
Please goto http//19.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=3353&start=0&rid=620&S=c71aec0c89a2325b3dea1a3c96c04594
and read my conversation with bro Saladin and tell me what you think.
"Sagt" means "says" in German. I was using the German msn thats why. Please note from the above conversation that ive actually seen two jinn like creatures ALONG WITH MY MOTHER. She too saw them and they FIT EXACTLY THE DESCRIPTION WE FIND FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD i.e. COMPLETELY WHITE AND SHINING WITH HUMAN LIKE SHAPE. Hoever i saw neither eyes nor mouth on their faces and they did not emit any smoke. Thus they were similar to the Quranic description of smokeless fire which can glow white or yellow or any other color depending on the substance. We know that from chemistry for sure. So taking all these points together can this be coincidence? Were we both dreaming? Did we see a projection(Hamelin at that time wasnt much developed and projection technology of this kind was uncommon in 1988 in such a small city/town)? Thus i conclude that they were real and the Quran supports it. GOD Bless! -
Salaam,
Ok, I believe your views.
But maybe it can be ghosts too not only jinns.
Peace Sis Maria
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Salam Leena,
Can anyone tell what she is saying in the video, besides the obvious? Is there anything really extraordinary about it?
After they recite the shadah in Arabic, they recite it in Malay. Then he said to her (or the Jin) that he (the Jin) is already accepting Islam and ask the Jin if he want to change his name (who is Idrus) to a Muslim name. The Jin still want his name as Idrus. Then he told the Jin that he (the Jin) should not disturb anybody or any human because he is already a Muslim.
Regards.
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Salaam,
Ok, I believe your views.
But maybe it can be ghosts too not only jinns.
Peace Sis Maria
I personally believe we're playing about with words here. Ghosts are Jinns and not some different entity. They are described as Jinn(hidden) in the Quran so in the West what we call Ghosts are really Jinns.
Believing in Jinns does not make one backward or medieval as I guess most materialistic people believe. I'm sure science one day will discover the world of Jinn or maybe never will and we will just cross paths throughout our life like we have been doing knowingly or unknowingly.
PEACE
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Peace ,
Yes it must be like you say, ghosts and jinn is the same things.
Peace
Maria
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Salaam,
Well whilst we are on the subject of Jinns I might aswell give you my understanding of this. Now before I begin my understanding comes from the Quran and understanding of Islam.
Jinns exist as humans do. In the quran it states humans are made from soil and will return to soil when they pass away. However Jinns are made from Fire. Jinns can see us but we cannot see them. In the world after after death, we will be able to see Jinns but we will not be able to see them.
Now I have heard stories that Jinns can come in forms of humans and they can show themselves, this do be honest I am not sure about, it may be possible.
Like the human race we have Muslims, Christians, Jews, Monks, hindus etc... The Jinn population is the same as they have all these religions and way of living. The main difference is Jinns are 10 fold of the human race (10 x the human race). So for every 1 human there are 10 Jinns.
As far as it goes as a Jinn being able to take over a human body, this is apparantly so, and they do have the power do to that. It is also said a Jinn will be judged as will humans on the day of judgement.
As humans there are good jinns and bad jinns and evil jinns.
Why I know so much about jinns, where I come from, I know of a Imam who teaches Jinns to read the Quran. Jinns obey there teacher and have great respect for them more than as humans. I have seen the nice element of Jinns and the good side.
We have all heard bad stories but I cannot confirm these are true, but like humans if Jinns can do good then they will be capable of doing bad. In islam I am pretty sure put not positive so you will have to check the following quote up, Jinns and humans are races that have been given freedom to think and act as they wish, but are responsible for the actions and will be judged on the day of judgement.
The stories I have heard of Jinns are from people it has happened to personally, or who have been there when it happened. Some of these stories are scary but seem to be true.
I do have some stories that I can verify that are true, and if you people wish I can happily share these with you, just say the word, otherwise I think I must have bored you already.
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Peace "jav1",
... In the world after after death, we will be able to see Jinns but we will not be able to see them.
JK- What did you mean by this statement as it sounds contradictory?
I do have some stories that I can verify that are true, and if you people wish I can happily share these with you, just say the word, otherwise I think I must have bored you already.
JK- No youve not bored me. Infact you just awakened my interest. Please do share those stories, which you can verify, with me. GOD Bless!